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Team: 2024-25 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: May 3, 2024
Published: May 8, 2024
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5 OVR it is!

It's likely that Celebrini and Demidov/Levshunov are gone 1 and 2 after SJS and CHI get done (It depends if CHI might want to pick up their #1 D now and get another stud Forward in the 2025 and 2026 drafts (Hagens, Malone, Misa, Mckenna, etc).

Now at #3, the Ducks will apparently draft a RHD - aka Artyom Levshunov or Zayne Parekh (assuming they like both equally).
Now, in a scenario where Levshunov is taken by CHI, I doubt ANA risks it and they probably draft Parekh or another good Dman they like.

Now at #4, CLB would likely go for BPA, but I think they would be leaning for a forward considering they have Denton Mateychuk and David Jiříček as young D prospect. Their Forward group has Fantilli as a future stud center and a lot of talented wingers, therefore, I'm sure they would like to add a guy like Lindstrom to complete a nice 1-2 punch down the middle.

SO in a scenario where Artyom Levshunov or Zayne Parekh are still available at #3, ANA would trade back with the habs for a good price. The habs could then jump over CLB and **** them from Lindstrom while ANA would still guarantee picking one of Artyom Levshunov or Zayne Parekh while acquiring a LOT of assets.

Now, in a scenario where Levshunov is taken by CHI, I doubt ANA risks it and they probably draft Parekh or another good Dman they like right away, leaving one of Lindstrom and Demidov for the Habs - no trade necessary at that point.


ANYWAY - ANA fans - what would be the cost of the 3 OVR for 5 OVR swap ?
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$900,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$2,400,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$800,000
4$5,000,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Lindstrom, Cayden
3$900,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. 2024 1st round pick (ANA)
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3rd OVR
ANA
  1. Barron, Justin [RFA Rights]
  2. Harris, Jordan
  3. Kidney, Riley
  4. 2024 1st round pick (MTL)
  5. 2025 2nd round pick (PIT)
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5th OVR

and a early 2nd round pick next year.

Barron to fill up the RHD some more and to compensate for the risk between Levshunov and Parekh.

Harris a young two-way LHD that is great in retrieval, in exits and in transition.

and B prospect in Kidney.

Those assets combine are, IMO, an overpayment - but one the habs would be glad to make to get their guy.
2.
MTL
    Are y'all drafting a Dman or a forward?
    CBJ
    3.
    PHI
    1. Anderson, Josh
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    Same term, almost same cap, same pain in the butt.

    Anderson might help Torts win back his locker room
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    C
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    $950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
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    May 8 at 9:48 a.m.
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    Anaheim accepts IF Levshunov is gone at 2
    May 8 at 9:49 a.m.
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    Quoting: GeneralLandro
    Anaheim accepts IF Levshunov is gone at 2


    I think Chicago will gonna take him at the 2nd overall pick because they know that they will once again be in the lottery mix next season and they really need a RD.

    Also, 1000% sure that Columbus will gonna take Demidov at 4th because of their Russian connection.
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    May 8 at 9:53 a.m.
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    Quoting: GeneralLandro
    Anaheim accepts IF Levshunov is gone at 2


    If Levshunov is gone at 2... then it's pretty sure that one of Demidov or Lindstrom falls to us - so there would be no need to do the trade... and definitly not for that price... but KH would call Verbeek in a heartbeat to to try to move up.
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    May 8 at 9:57 a.m.
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    Quoting: MTLaveragefan
    If Levshunov is gone at 2... then it's pretty sure that one of Demidov or Lindstrom falls to us - so there would be no need to do the trade... and definitly not for that price... but KH would call Verbeek in a heartbeat to to try to move up.


    The only way that trade can come is IF Kent Hughes REALLY want Demidov. If he is not sure, he will gonna take the risk that Lindstrom continue to fall down of the top 4.
    May 8 at 9:57 a.m.
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    I think Chicago will gonna take him at the 2nd overall pick because they know that they will once again be in the lottery mix next season and they really need a RD.

    Also, 1000% sure that Columbus will gonna take Demidov at 4th because of their Russian connection.


    No Columbus have a TON of wingers in their system. They only have Fantilli at C... So even if it hurts to skip on Demidov, they will take Lindstrom.
    May 8 at 10:07 a.m.
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    No Columbus have a TON of wingers in their system. They only have Fantilli at C... So even if it hurts to skip on Demidov, they will take Lindstrom.


    Ton of high-quality wingners ???

    They only have Johnson as a top winger. They have Sillinger, Fantili and Brindley at C.
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    May 8 at 10:14 a.m.
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    Columbus is the only one of the top six who doesn't have to draft for need (I mean, I guess SJ and Chicago don't either because they need everything being less far along in their rebuilds, but you know what I mean). Anaheim, Montreal, and Arizona all have glaring needs. Columbus has the privilege of simply taking their BPA, who very well may not even be Lindstrom anyway. Silayev, for example, said that Columbus and Utah were the teams showing him the most interest. So basically... Montreal wants to get cute to make sure they get Lindstrom? Cool with the Jackets.
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    May 8 at 10:16 a.m.
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    Ton of high-quality wingners ???

    They only have Johnson as a top winger. They have Sillinger, Fantili and Brindley at C.


    Brindley will not be a C at the NHL level. He'll be a RW. And don't forget already in the NHL, there's Chinakhov, Marchenko, and Voronkov who can all play wing. Then you've got Johnny Gaudreau taking up a top-6 LW spot for most of the next decade. Wing is definitely not an organizational priority, although I personally hope they wouldn't turn down Demidov if he fell to fourth.
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    May 8 at 10:22 a.m.
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    Columbus is the only one of the top six who doesn't have to draft for need (I mean, I guess SJ and Chicago don't either because they need everything being less far along in their rebuilds, but you know what I mean). Anaheim, Montreal, and Arizona all have glaring needs. Columbus has the privilege of simply taking their BPA, who very well may not even be Lindstrom anyway. Silayev, for example, said that Columbus and Utah were the teams showing him the most interest. So basically... Montreal wants to get cute to make sure they get Lindstrom? Cool with the Jackets.


    If Montreal did that, it's for Demidov, not for Lindstrom.
    May 8 at 10:23 a.m.
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    Quoting: ht42
    Ton of high-quality wingners ???

    They only have Johnson as a top winger. They have Sillinger, Fantili and Brindley at C.


    Gaudreau, Laine, Kent Johnson, Dumais, Marchenko,
    May 8 at 10:24 a.m.
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    Columbus is the only one of the top six who doesn't have to draft for need (I mean, I guess SJ and Chicago don't either because they need everything being less far along in their rebuilds, but you know what I mean). Anaheim, Montreal, and Arizona all have glaring needs. Columbus has the privilege of simply taking their BPA, who very well may not even be Lindstrom anyway. Silayev, for example, said that Columbus and Utah were the teams showing him the most interest. So basically... Montreal wants to get cute to make sure they get Lindstrom? Cool with the Jackets.


    I think everything will hinge on CHI picking Levshunov at #2 or not.
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    May 8 at 10:31 a.m.
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    Quoting: squashmaple
    Brindley will not be a C at the NHL level. He'll be a RW. And don't forget already in the NHL, there's Chinakhov, Marchenko, and Voronkov who can all play wing. Then you've got Johnny Gaudreau taking up a top-6 LW spot for most of the next decade. Wing is definitely not an organizational priority, although I personally hope they wouldn't turn down Demidov if he fell to fourth.


    And that's why Montreal will gonna make a trade to go up, because of the chances that Columbus select Demidov.
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    May 8 at 10:35 a.m.
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    And that's why Montreal will gonna make a trade to go up, because of the chances that Columbus select Demidov.


    Demidov would be a SEXY addition to the team for sure.
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    And that's why Montreal will gonna make a trade to go up, because of the chances that Columbus select Demidov.


    Like I said, wing isn't a priority. I would guess Demidov is lower on Columbus's list than the other three likely candidates for the top five. Personally, I'd hope they'd take him if given the chance, but I'd be surprised. Hopefully the whole top five can get perfect fits, Montreal included.
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    May 8 at 10:55 a.m.
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    Like I said, wing isn't a priority. I would guess Demidov is lower on Columbus's list than the other three likely candidates for the top five. Personally, I'd hope they'd take him if given the chance, but I'd be surprised. Hopefully the whole top five can get perfect fits, Montreal included.


    That would be a first lol wink

    The only ones here would actually might get screwed is ANA if they NEED/WANT a RHD.
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    May 8 at 10:58 a.m.
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    Quoting: MTLaveragefan
    That would be a first lol wink

    The only ones here would actually might get screwed is ANA if they NEED/WANT a RHD.


    Not like they're not used to Chicago screwing them over. Columbus is also used to Anaheim taking their first choice before them. It's happened more than once since 2021.
    May 8 at 11:11 a.m.
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    Quoting: ht42
    I think Chicago will gonna take him at the 2nd overall pick because they know that they will once again be in the lottery mix next season and they really need a RD.

    Also, 1000% sure that Columbus will gonna take Demidov at 4th because of their Russian connection.


    Chicago can't win another lottery for the next three seasons apparently, they've won their 2 in 5, best they can draft for the next three years is 3OA
    May 8 at 11:13 a.m.
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    Quoting: GiggywithGibby
    Chicago can't win another lottery for the next three seasons apparently, they've won their 2 in 5, best they can draft for the next three years is 3OA


    Nah - this rule only applies if you move up - if you remain - it's doesn't count in the 2 in 5.
    May 8 at 11:13 a.m.
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    Quoting: GiggywithGibby
    Chicago can't win another lottery for the next three seasons apparently, they've won their 2 in 5, best they can draft for the next three years is 3OA


    No, they can't have the 1st overall selection lottery twice in the 5 years range. The 2nd overall lottery win have nothing to do with that.
    May 8 at 11:14 a.m.
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    Quoting: squashmaple
    Not like they're not used to Chicago screwing them over. Columbus is also used to Anaheim taking their first choice before them. It's happened more than once since 2021.


    At the end of the day, the biggest loser is Celebrini who will have to play for SJS - at least he'll be able to cry on the beach and on the golf courses.
    May 8 at 12:03 p.m.
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    To begin with, the difference between 3rd overall and 5th overall is 21st overall -- well up the ladder from where the Winnipeg first is even if Boston, Colorado and Edmonton win their second series.

    Second, none of those young players is very appealing to Anaheim (specifically). Barron is a very good prospect and looks like he might be a second-pairing RD. However, Pat Verbeek's announced assignment for this off-season is to add a top-4 RD and we already have Gudas and Lindstrom on the roster and Luneau coming up, so he's not the jewel to us that he might (and should) be to other teams. Harris, while also a very nice prospect with second-pair potential, is a LD and we have no fewer than four young LDs already on the roster in addition to Cam Fowler plus two good prospects coming up on that side, so he isn't a needle-mover either. Kidney is, as you admit, a B prospect left-handed forward and we have a surplus of those both on the roster and in the pipeline, so he's effectively a nullity. If Chicago takes Levshunov, I think that Anaheim would only accept the Winnipeg first and another pick or a right-handed A prospect like Beck or Mesar plus your earliest 2025 second to move back to fifth overall. Easily affordable spare parts like Barron, Harris, Kidney, Heineman, RHP etc. no more close the gap in this kind of deal than they do in a proposed Trevor Zegras trade.
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    May 8 at 12:03 p.m.
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    Quoting: ht42
    No, they can't have the 1st overall selection lottery twice in the 5 years range. The 2nd overall lottery win have nothing to do with that.


    2nd overall is still a lottery win. @csick can explain better
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    May 8 at 12:17 p.m.
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    Quoting: GiggywithGibby
    2nd overall is still a lottery win. csick can explain better


    Actually it’s been confirmed that since the lotteries were unchanged , then Chicago could pick top 2 again and this doesn’t count
    May 8 at 12:18 p.m.
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    Quoting: GiggywithGibby
    2nd overall is still a lottery win. csick can explain better


    I read the rules about that and you're right.

    But, I'm 100% sure that Chicago will gonna want to secure their RD spot (because they are very rare to find).
    May 8 at 12:22 p.m.
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    Quoting: csick
    Actually it’s been confirmed that since the lotteries were unchanged , then Chicago could pick top 2 again and this doesn’t count


    So then Anaheim, since they fell last year, hasn't started their timer
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