The Blues also have to adhere to the salary cap, ya know. And the Flyers obviously pass.

Flyers are not wasting a retention spot on Laughton.

How do people find a way to ruin the Leafs more

Just get Tanev but definitely not at the price of Lilly, you basically kill your future with that & it’s pointlessly overpaying, I’d give a 1st + 3rd & call it a day, only guy i’d want from St.Louis is Torpchenko & Laughton is really not worth it

The 5th or 6th best defender on an atrocious defensive team.

Am I wrong or did Liljegren cost you guys the playoffs last year?

Tanev at 50% probably gets a late round 1st and a mid round 3rd. I cant really say Liljegren gets more than a late round 1st. Hes in his 7th pro year, hasnt established himelf as a top 4 dman, hasn;t produced enough to be a puck rusher, not big enough to be a crease clearer, was a healthy scratch in playoffs and as a 1.4mil expiring RFA, its really decision time. I get it, for the leafs they need to keep as much youth (affordable youth) as possible, but I can;t say that Liljegren at this moment is as valuable as Sandin was when he got a 1st rounder (very bottom of round one at that).

So Liljegren and a 3rd to CGY is IMO, pretty even.

As far as STL, they'd be making other moves to make the cap space to take Klingberg. But a 1st for Vrana at 50% is a good return.

Staal would be a great 7th, avg 18 mins a year last year in FLA. Laughton is a more physical Jarnkrot and signed beyond 23-24. While I like Jarnkrot, Laughton can score more, brings more physicality, and these moves gives us one of the best top 9 in the league both ways.

Leafs decline all we aren’t spending two 1sts this year

Yea blues say no due to cap.

Blue don't have the cap to do that

You're wrong, Justin, 73% of the goals against, Holl and running into a hot goalie in Bobrovsky cost us the playoffs last year... Lilly was great

Is that a Bourney take? I thought Bourne was high on Lilypad, I know Kyp and Sammy hate him, so does Dangle, I just don't hear alot of good things about this guy.

15:25

https://youtu.be/I6qVN_tMYFQ?si=PQoD4lxIMdKVCfAK

Dangle overreacts to anything watch the Ducks G10 game of last year... Heck, even the Buffalo game this year...

If you watch a Leafs game, don't watch for the big plays, but watch for when he's making the small but very useful plays defensively and offensively... Watch him when he plays with McCabe... They've worked really well together

Yeah, I know all the good stuff but I know the really bad too. I also know he's your 5th or 6th best defender, Keefe doesn't trust him and would bury him immediately if he had competent options.

I will admit I'm likely being too harsh based on the opinions of sceechy idiots, but it's their job to watch leafs hockey. Kypers opinion has gotta be worth something.

Lilly is our number 4... He's played his way onto McCabe's pairing and proved he is capable of those minutes prior of being hurt... Last year, maybe but Keefe threw Lilly into the top 4 in G6 and threw the FLO series and in the top 4 this year...

You are putting way too much stock into the guy that said Nylander is the best Leafs player rn... And Marner was the best last year...

Marner wasn't better than 40 goal Auston Matthew's? I don't think that's an argument that can be dismissed out of hand. Nor is it one I wish to have, agree to disagree on that.

Over the course of Marner and Matthews' time with the Leafs, I meant, he was saying it last year...

Didn't he just mean it last year? I don't know, the guy says alot, and he's kinda an emotional dumpster fire. If they don't win a cup soon he might have a heartattack

Kyper or Dangle?

I dont know about that, maybe the fans differ from the gm/coach, but if Liljegren was that great why would they acquire McCabe and Schenn and play them and Holl above Liljegren, and then scratch Liljegren for half the playoffs in favor of playing schenn and holl? And now Treviling has got Klingberg at RD.

Liljegren is a 7th year pro and if he was that good and a top 4 guy why do his gm/coach keep finding ways to acquire and play other guys over him? I just dont know if he breaks through at 25 yrs old, and certainly not in Toronto.

I think he does have talent and could be more, but probably not in toronto the way the defense is constructed, and certainly hasnt had those glimpses that Sandin had (which only garnered a bottom of the round BOS 1st) and IMO I dont know if he has the next level he hasnt produced enough to be a puck rusher and doesn;t play with enough size, physicality to be the stay at home.

Marc Staal played 18 effective mins a game for FLA as a mostly 3rd pairing guy as a comparison for an effective 3rd pairing guy getting extra mins. While Liljegren is getting minutes and playing well, theres been no noticeable difference to the coach/gm and certainly most fans on here are desperate for a RD upgrade keeping liljegren on 3rd pair.

So while Leaf fans scoff at Zadorov getting more than a 3rd and some bit pieces, its hard to see Liljegren as worth a 1st

And Ive said it above, Leafs need youth, and should avoiud moving liljegren, but they also need to succeed now and he has more value than most

Dangle, I kinda forgot that Kyper was such a Marner fan.

They acquired Schenn for vibes/Leadership... and McCabe is an LHD... And the Leafs tend to stack up on defence come TDL under Dubas... Treliving got Klingberg to give Rielly a break (And, as you should've noticed, Keefe is playing Lilly above Klingberg)

Lilly is moving in the top 4 rn and might get a shot at playing w Rielly 5v5 depending if Keefe wants a switch...

But in conclusion, no, Lilly didn't cost the Leafs the playoffs

Probably...

And it's annoying that so many people just forget who Marner plays with

Does anybody actually forget Matthew's? Isn't it kinda like McDavid, you don't need to talk about him, it's assumed?

I would agree if this was the end of last season, Liljegren had a great start to the year before his injury, leading the team in OixGA & OixGA/60, he was their most consistent Top 4 D-man so I think value wise, he is more valuable to Toronto especially contract wise, 2ndly Laughton hasn’t even scored 20 goals in a single season & that isn't changing on the Leafs 3rd line, as for Staal I see 0 purpose for him with how Lagesson has looked, Vrana is just not what the Leafs need rn

It's off and on... Especially in Toronto... Which is weird bc Leafs fan hype up the average 3rd liner

There's too many Leafs fans, every player no matter how terrible, has a massive ride or die following.