TML 2019 Marner gets the money from Gloaters on this site

Created by: Laudan
Initial Creation Date: May 9, 2019
Published: May 22, 2019 at 3:16
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Legend
Lefthanded
Original Team
Righthanded
Position
No Move/Trade Clause
Expiry Status
Term Remaining
Edmonton Oilers
McDavid, Connor
$12,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Johnsson, Andreas1$2,700,000
Kapanen, Kasperi1$2,700,000
Marner, Mitchell6$11,000,000
Trades
TOR
    EDM
    1. Brown, Connor
    TOR
      PHI
      1. Kadri, Nazem
      Buyouts
      • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
      Retained Salary Transactions
      • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
      • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
      DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
      2019
      TOR
      TOR
      TOR
      STL
      TOR
      TOR
      DAL
      2020
      TOR
      TOR
      TOR
      TOR
      TOR
      TOR
      EDM
      SJS
      2021
      TOR
      TOR
      TOR
      TOR
      TOR
      TOR
      TOR
      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
      23$83,000,000$83,727,199$0$82,500-$727,199
      Left WingCenterRight Wing
      TOR
      Hyman, Zach
      $2,250,000
      LW, RW
      NTC
      UFA - 2
      TOR
      Tavares, John
      $11,000,000
      C
      NMC
      UFA - 6
      TOR
      Marner, Mitchell
      $11,000,000
      RW
      UFA - 6
      TOR
      Moore, Trevor
      $775,000
      RW, LW
      RFA - 2
      TOR
      Matthews, Auston
      $11,634,000
      C
      UFA - 5
      TOR
      Nylander, William
      $6,962,366
      RW, LW
      UFA - 5
      TOR
      Johnsson, Andreas
      $2,700,000
      LW
      UFA - 4
      TOR
      Petan, Nicolas
      $775,000
      LW, RW, C
      RFA - 2
      TOR
      Kapanen, Kasperi
      $2,700,000
      RW
      RFA - 3
      TOR
      Marleau, Patrick
      $6,250,000
      LW, C
      NMC
      UFA - 1
      TOR
      Gauthier, Frédérik
      $675,000
      C
      RFA - 1
      TOR
      Bracco, Jeremy
      $842,500
      RW
      RFA - 1
      TOR
      Marleau, Patrick
      $700,000
      LW, C
      UFA - 1
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
      TOR
      Rielly, Morgan
      $5,000,000
      LD
      UFA - 3
      TOR
      Dermott, Travis
      $863,333
      LD
      RFA - 1
      TOR
      Andersen, Frederik
      $5,000,000
      G
      NTC
      UFA - 2
      TOR
      Muzzin, Jake
      $4,000,000
      LD
      UFA - 1
      TOR
      Zaitsev, Nikita
      $4,500,000
      RD
      NTC
      UFA - 5
      TOR
      Sparks, Garret
      $750,000
      G
      UFA - 1
      TOR
      Rosén, Calle
      $750,000
      LD
      UFA - 2
      TOR
      Holl, Justin
      $675,000
      RD
      UFA - 1
      ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
      TOR
      Mikheyev, Ilya
      $925,000
      LW, RW
      RFA - 1
      TOR
      Horton, Nathan
      $5,300,000
      RW
      NMC NTC
      UFA - 1
      TOR
      Borgman, Andreas
      $700,000
      LD
      UFA - 1

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      May 22, 2019 at 3:18
      #1
      Joined: Jul 2018
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      Edited May 23, 2019 at 2:01
      Thread created with purpose to show them gloaters ( being afraid of what TML has built in past years ) its possible, i hope you wont come out now with : " Marner will get 12M"

      its 6 x 11M which is somewhere in the middle of short term and long term contract, to make it more juicy

      Johnsson and Kapanen bridged at 1 x 2,7M ( Bjorkstrand or Faksa as comparables ) so we see if they are worth money they are claiming they are, playing with "average" C instead leetching on Matthews



      For those jumping on train of how bad D looks, the perpetual wisdom for TML 2019/2020 Season :

      Till Marleau contract on payroll, we will have to suck it for one more year.

      the window to win a cup starts in season 2020/2021 to 2022/2023 when Tavares will still be in his prime ( 30-32 ) and Cap raises will allow TML to finally hunt for some top pair RHDs ( in addition to Rielly and possible Muzzin resign), with Sandin and Liljegren filling on third pair
      May 22, 2019 at 4:58
      #2
      Joined: Jun 2018
      Posts: 11,342
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      Johnsson and Kapanen might not even be worth that. It's hard to really judge. They have no history. That kind of thing ends up in a buy high. You end up paying Sheary 3 mil per season like deal and then scratch your head hoping you can convince someone else to take them. The real problem is arbitration: eligible on Johnsson. Kapanen you can try to cut lower and he can't really do much. But Johnsson can go to arbitration and be a pain in the ass, because players usually win there.
      But honestly I'd offer them both 2 million prove it deals.
      As far as Marner, I do see him getting 11 or very close to it. The question is, does a guy who only scores 20 some goals every season deserve 11 million. But you are going to have to deal with his family. I don't know. The whole toronto organization seems to have issues with players and their family and "not feeling appreciated" crap. FIrst Nylander, now Marner. Have to wonder if it's a locker room thing. And if so Marner knows he only needs to hold out.
      May 22, 2019 at 5:02
      #3
      Joined: Jul 2018
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      Edited May 22, 2019 at 5:27
      Quoting: pharrow
      Johnsson and Kapanen might not even be worth that. It's hard to really judge. They have no history. That kind of thing ends up in a buy high. You end up paying Sheary 3 mil per season like deal and then scratch your head hoping you can convince someone else to take them. The real problem is arbitration: eligible on Johnsson. Kapanen you can try to cut lower and he can't really do much. But Johnsson can go to arbitration and be a pain in the ass, because players usually win there.
      But honestly I'd offer them both 2 million prove it deals.


      My point exactlly.

      Johnssons arbitration....Danault ( MTL ) comes to mind

      And as you said, they have no history to claim the $$ they do, so im rooting for the experiment with given 3rd Line.

      Actually im giving Johnsson and Kapanen shortened Arvidsson contracts in 2020/2021, so 4 x 4,2M

      if Johnsson will get 3 x 3M thru arbitration we save in total ( 1 x 2,7M + 2 x 4,2M < 3 x 3M )

      as for 2M prove it, Johnsson already declined 2 x 2,1M and 4 x 2,6M.
      May 22, 2019 at 5:26
      #4
      Joined: Jun 2018
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      Quoting: Laudan
      My point exactlly.

      Johnssons arbitration....Danault ( MTL ) comes to mind

      Actually im giving Johnsson and Kapanen shortened Arvidsson contracts in 2020/2021, so 4 x 4,2M, if Johnsson will get 3 x 3M we save in total ( 1 x 2,7M + 2 x 4,2M < 3 x 3M )

      as for 2M prove it, Johnsson already declined 2 x 2,1M and 4 x 2,6M.


      See I wouldn't sign either one more than 1 or 2 years. If johnsson goes to arbitration it will be 1 year anyway. It might come back to bite if they play really well, but the odds are higher you just have a longer contract to move. Either way you get more cap room next year when Patrick retires. And Kapen will probably not get a boost by playing on the top lines. Johnsson is a bit trickier because he's clearly an NHL talent and honestly could be a top 6 player for Toronto next year as he might be better than Moore. The real issue is there isn't really an top 6 guy out of the 3 of them. They are all kind of middle 6 guys. But the rest of the line is so dangerous got to save money somewhere. But he has got to prove it's not a fluke. In some sense I think the Hyman deal is a good comparison for him.
      But if he doesn't want to sign maybe they could package him with Bracco and get a better LW who is more of a potential top 6 LW. It's not like Bracco is going to play at the NHL with Toronto. He's too small to be a 3rd 4th line guy. And Marner and Nylander are the top 2.
      May 22, 2019 at 6:56
      #5
      LongtimeLeafsufferer
      Joined: Jul 2015
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      Don't know why call folks who think Marner overpaid at 11m gloaters? Marner's value as nothing to do with how he fits into the Leafs cap, he has to paid to comparable NHL players ....and 11m is too high.
      Holl playing big minutes? Pecan and Gauthier at 3 and 4 C. Yikes.
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