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As a rational Leafs fan lets discuss Babcock

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Whats wrong with the team? Is the back to backs? Is it the coaching? Is it the players? I think its a little of all.

I want to start with that I am pro Babcock, I like the guy, and its clear to me he was told this season he needed to make changes to his game plan or he would be out of a job. I like how Matthews has been playing more mins a night, I like that Nylander has stayed on either of the top two lines, I like how the lines seem to be meshing well.

But my biggest problem I think with Babcock is hes stubbornness to change. Which could cost him his job. With the Leafs having so many back to backs I understand wanting to start both goalies. Here is my problem, when your starter plays the first game every single time, when the team is fresh, youre probably going to win (leafs record in the first half of a back to back is 3-0-1) and when you start your back up when your team is tired, you'll probably lose (Leafs are 0-3-1 on second night). So why not change it up? Start Anderson against the better team and on the back night. or better yet, when Anderson faces 17 shots only against the Sharks, start him the next night. Players are paid millions of dollars a year and youre telling me they cant play in back to back nights? BS and we all know it.

Babcock also needs to work on getting his team into the final two mins with the big guns out, not the fourth line. The Goat has been great this year, but with 2 mins left he shouldnt be out trying to get a game tying goal or keeping the puck out of his own net. Babcock needs to get the dressing room back ASAP or he could lose his job.

I would give Babcock to the end of November to figure this out, if by that time the team is still around a 500 playing level , I would look at removing him. I just think hes style of coaching of dump and chase doesnt work with the current Leafs team which is skill and attack. You can see it on all the lines. With Hyman out, Kap JT and Marner all expect someone else to get the puck for them when its dumped in and scored, none of them do. Same with Johnsson, Matthews and Nylander.

How short is his time? Or do you think he can turn it around?
I for one hope so.
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Oct. 27, 2019 at 12:27 p.m.
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You can look at the coach, but he has made some.changes in deployment this year. Frankly this is about a blueline still learning to.play together. Asnof this moment, only Reilly and Muzzin were aying minutes of any meaning at this point last year. And although Ceci has frankly surprised me, the rest has been a revolving door to find the mix. Dermott's return will help, but I suspect this will be an ongoing mess.
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Oct. 27, 2019 at 12:33 p.m.
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You can look at the coach, but he has made some.changes in deployment this year. Frankly this is about a blueline still learning to.play together. Asnof this moment, only Reilly and Muzzin were aying minutes of any meaning at this point last year. And although Ceci has frankly surprised me, the rest has been a revolving door to find the mix. Dermott's return will help, but I suspect this will be an ongoing mess.


I agree the D has been a mess but I think its only a matter of time. Barrie is still getting his feet wet and i suspect him to turn it around soon. Dermott has been one of my favorites and honestly would love to see him on the right side of Reilly. Muzzin has been great, Ceci has been what I expected and the other D have been AHL standard.
Oct. 27, 2019 at 12:36 p.m.
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not all the blame is on babcock. its the personnel he has to work with as well. hutchinson wasn't horrible last night. the biggest problem with the leafs is defense. all 5 of mtl's goals were due to poor defending by the leafs, the defensemen and forwards. the leafs were horrendous last night. they allowed wayyyy to many high danger scoring chances against them. and yes, idk why babcock would play hutchinson vs the habs, when the point matchup that matters more, is within the division. these points the leafs lost, could be the difference between a wild card spot, missing the playoffs, or top 2 in the division. as much hype as the leafs get, the leafs were only 4 points ahead of the Habs last season, and that was with a really good pp, offense and mid tier defense. mtl on the other hand had a mid tier defense, mid teir offense, but horrendous pp that cost them 2 points to make the playoffs. if the habs pp was running at 20%, they would have made the playoffs over the leafs. also mtl lost 2 OT games against the leafs. if they have those games, again, better chance on mtl making the playoffs. now the leafs defense can only be so much improved by coaching. the personel on the ice don't hink defensively. i didn't see matthews back check all night, last night. despite the talk that he should be a selke candidate, the only good play ive seen him make defensively was on dubois a few games back. he just doesn't care unfortunat;y about the defensive side of the game. same for the defense. reilly was just trash last night. he's way to aggressive. same for muzzin, whose supposedly your best defensive d-man. u can't be that offensively focused vs a team like mtl thats faster than you, will beat u to every puck and will work harder than you. i don't blame babcock. its dubas's fault that he's spent all this money on these forwards (some of them deserve it), but he hasn't improved the defense in any way, shape or form.
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Oct. 27, 2019 at 1:02 p.m.
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I’d love to see the marlies coach take over. He’s a stud.
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Oct. 27, 2019 at 2:29 p.m.
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After the leaf fans run Babcock back to to Detroit. Which player are you going to turn on and run out of town? I'm going to guess and say Mathews and Rielly. Next season will be Anderson.

I've this happen so many time with the leafs. Build a soild base with GM/ headcoach take it apart and the team falls apart only to do it all over again.

Its a ugly cycle in Toronto.
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