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Horvat to Colorado with an extension doesnt work

Created by: turtlemountain
Team: 2023-24 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 11, 2022
Published: Nov. 11, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Trade Clause
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Waivers ExemptMcDavid, Connor
$12,500,000 (Performance Bonus$250,000)
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Description
All these ACGM’s saying Colorado should just trade for and re-sign Horvat are clueless. If the Avs do that, they basically lose Newhook and one of Byram/Girard/Toews.

To even have a cap compliant roster, the Avs would need to run a bottom 6 with 3 league minimum contracts and 3 guys near $1M. This also leaves them with a bottom pairing of MacDermid and MacDonald and no room to make a call up.

Horvat to Colorado doesn’t make sense.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$775,000
1$775,000
1$775,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$8,000,000
1$1,250,000
1$1,250,000
Trades
1.
COL
    Horvat at TDL
    VAN
    1. Newhook, Alex [RFA Rights]
    2. 2023 1st round pick (COL)
    Additional Details:
    Terrible overpay that the Avs won’t do
    2.
    COL
    ANA
    1. Byram, Bowen [RFA Rights]
    Additional Details:
    The Avs can’t afford to re-sign Byram. He gets shipped out. They can’t afford to take salary in return.
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2023
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    2024
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    Logo of the COL
    Logo of the COL
    Logo of the COL
    2025
    Logo of the COL
    Logo of the COL
    Logo of the COL
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    20$83,500,000$83,737,500$637,500$0-$237,500
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $7,000,000$7,000,000
    LW, C
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $12,600,000$12,600,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $9,250,000$9,250,000
    RW, C
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    LW, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    $8,000,000$8,000,000
    C
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $6,125,000$6,125,000
    RW, LW
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $1,250,000$1,250,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $1,250,000$1,250,000
    C, LW, RW
    UFA
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $1,050,000$1,050,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $775,000$775,000
    LW
    RFA
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $775,000$775,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $775,000$775,000
    RW
    RFA
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $9,000,000$9,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $3,400,000$3,400,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $4,100,000$4,100,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $2,000,000$2,000,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $987,500$987,500
    LD/RD, LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $762,500$762,500
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1

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    Nov. 11, 2022 at 9:34 a.m.
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    Then you include Newhook in the Horvat trade which has been mentioned countless times. Just because you don't want to give up Newhook in an ideal fashion doesnt mean it doesnt make sense. Canucks also arent trading Horvat to the Avs for little to nothing because of their cap situation. That's their business not Vancouver's so dont push the narrative that Horvat is worth less because of the Avs cap, that makes little to no sense. They willl create a market and if Colorado cant buy then that's their prerogative. You cant will your philosophy on other teams just cause it doesnt suit your own narrative thats not how trade markets function
    Nov. 11, 2022 at 9:34 a.m.
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    I’d imagine it would be Byram>Horvat
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    Nov. 11, 2022 at 9:40 a.m.
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    Quoting: OlegP
    Then you include Newhook in the Horvat trade which has been mentioned countless times. Just because you don't want to give up Newhook in an ideal fashion doesnt mean it doesnt make sense. Canucks also arent trading Horvat to the Avs for little to nothing because of their cap situation. That's their business not Vancouver's so dont push the narrative that Horvat is worth less because of the Avs cap, that makes little to no sense. They willl create a market and if Colorado cant buy then that's their prerogative. You cant will your philosophy on other teams just cause it doesnt suit your own narrative thats not how trade markets function


    Did you look at the trade? I did include Newhook. The Avs can barely have a cap compliant roster. They need players like Newhook and Byram to actually be under the cap.

    I’m not saying anything about Horvat’s value. Just saying that the Avs can’t afford to re-sign him without making serious sacrifices elsewhere in the roster.
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    Nov. 11, 2022 at 10:21 a.m.
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    Edited Nov. 11, 2022 at 10:31 a.m.
    You have the cap at 83.5 though, if it goes up 4m, there's a chance at keeping Byram, but they won't have the benefit of knowing that before hand. They should add O'Reilly instead if the cost of addition is cheaper, and then they could sign him to 5mx8 maybe. Should allow to to keep Byram now and Toews in the following year.

    If they sign Horvat, they likely lose Toews, even if they keep Byram.

    J Toews is another potential option but I rather not see him wear 16 or 91.
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    Nov. 11, 2022 at 10:33 a.m.
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    Edited Nov. 11, 2022 at 10:39 a.m.
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    You have the cap at 83.5 though, if it goes up 4m, there's a chance at keeping Byram, but they won't have the benefit of knowing that before hand. They should add O'Reilly instead if the cost of addition is cheaper, and then they could sign him to 5mx8 maybe. Should allow to to keep Byram now and Toews in the following year.

    If they sign Horvat, they likely lose Toews, even if they keep Byram.


    Isn’t the cap projected to go up $1M next year and the bigger jump in 2024-2025?

    Even if you add in an extra $3M, I still don’t think you have enough to re-sign Byram without moving out another top 4 D. And you probably also need to upgrade the depth. The bottom 6 and bottom pairing here are really really weak. I also have Meyers, Kaut, and Ranta each taking pay cuts to league minimum contracts here. I don’t think any of those guys are necessarily even ready to be full time NHLers.

    The easier answer is to bridge Newhook, extend Byram, let JTC and Rodrigues walk, sign EJ or another vet on a cheap deal to play PK, and see what goal scoring wingers are still looking for a home after the first few days of free agency (ie next year’s Rodrigues).

    It’s not as fun as a big splashy sign and trade, but probably the more prudent move forward.
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