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Tavares is an option. As doubtful as I see it, he could be signed and not kill t

Created by: Redbeard53
Team: 2018-19 Philadelphia Flyers
Initial Creation Date: May 7, 2018
Published: May 7, 2018
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To prove Tavares is an option.

After the 18-19 season, Simmonds, Lehtera, Raffl, Elliott, Neuvirth are gone freeing up 16 mil, to resign Provorov, Konecny Laughton(if they want), Weal, Sanheim and bring up Hart, 2 forwards(Ratcliffe and another preferably, maybe Strome by then). This should still leave roughly 3-6 mil in cap space. When its time to resign Patrick/Frost/young D signed to bridge deals, Weise, MacDonald and Gudas will be UFAs.

Not sure if the sign and trade for JT is enough. May need to through more picks? Players? Donno who will be in charge to determine what they would want.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,750,000
2$1,150,000
2$950,000
1$850,000
1$850,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$11,000,000
Trades
PHI
    Sign and trade for Tavares
    NYI
    1. Rubtsov, German
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    Both 2018 1st round draft picks
    Buyouts
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    2019
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$78,000,000$69,155,000$0$4,537,500$8,845,000

    Roster

    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    $4,137,500$4,137,500
    RW, C
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    $4,333,333$4,333,333
    C
    UFA - 4
    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    $2,350,000$2,350,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    $11,000,000$11,000,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 7
    $8,250,000$8,250,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 6
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
    LW
    UFA - 2
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,650,000$3M)
    C, RW
    UFA - 2
    $3,975,000$3,975,000
    RW, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    $1,750,000$1,750,000
    C, RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    $962,500$962,500
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
    $850,000$850,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
    $4,700,000$4,700,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 1
    $2,350,000$2,350,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
    LD
    UFA - 1
    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 5
    $2,750,000$2,750,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    $1,150,000$1,150,000
    LD, LW
    UFA - 3
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    $1,750,000$1,750,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    $2,345,000$2,345,000
    RD
    UFA - 2

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    May 7, 2018 at 12:47 p.m.
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    I agree it is definitely doable but I don't see it happening when we have Couts and Patrick down the middle and there is no reason to give up assets for a chance to talk to him before July 1. He will hit the market if he doesn't want to stay in Long Island.
    May 7, 2018 at 1:03 p.m.
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    that's just a massive overpay for one extra year of term if it's only dropping the AAV to $11M. Maybe one prospect like you have but the drafts picks are overkill. It's definitely possible to afford him honestly i agree so it's confusing as to why people are so reluctant to try for him if possible. Now if he is saying he wants $11M+ on a 7 year deal and $9M on an 8 year deal then I'd definitely consider what you proposed at least.
    May 7, 2018 at 1:29 p.m.
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    Quoting: NateElder12
    that's just a massive overpay for one extra year of term if it's only dropping the AAV to $11M. Maybe one prospect like you have but the drafts picks are overkill. It's definitely possible to afford him honestly i agree so it's confusing as to why people are so reluctant to try for him if possible. Now if he is saying he wants $11M+ on a 7 year deal and $9M on an 8 year deal then I'd definitely consider what you proposed at least.


    So you'd pay him 77M to play with you for the rest of his career, in seven installments, or 72M over eight payments? I ain't no mathematician, but....

    Aside from getting your point that you think longer term deals always go with reduced cap hits to help out a team, can I point out that this the potentially the best UFA season since Scott Stevens? A sign and trade is different from the trade for rights DD is discussing:
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    I agree it is definitely doable but I don't see it happening when we have Couts and Patrick down the middle and there is no reason to give up assets for a chance to talk to him before July 1. He will hit the market if he doesn't want to stay in Long Island.


    Here is an explanation from a respectable hockey news source: https://www.tsn.ca/insider-trading-sign-and-trade-possible-for-tavares-1.1028621

    Basically, now that a UFA's old team can write him an 8yr deal, assuming there is, indeed, a limit to the annual cap hit that any team will give a player (even if it's just the one in the rulebook) then a player seeking to maximize earnings will sign an eight year deal to make more total dollars (not to mention that it can then be more front loaded, so they get more money right away). If the eight year deal Tavares wants is at a higher number than the Isles feel they can afford, they have a choice between (a) thumbing their noses at him about that lost eighth year as he plays seven years against them, possibly for a division rival or (b) getting something back, by sitting down with Tavares and the team he wants to play for, and making a trade.

    If Snow is not stupid, and I understand you may have to suspend disbelief a bit here, he's then in a situation where he's got a proven #1 center he has to trade within the next month. Teams might lowball him a little bit, but he's not giving him away for free, either.

    Under no circumstance is Tavares viewing the eighth year of his contract as such a special treat that he'll accept less total value to get it over a longer amount of time. That means that in the last year he earns negative five million dollars. But you get that, right?
    May 7, 2018 at 1:36 p.m.
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    So you'd pay him 77M to play with you for the rest of his career, in seven installments, or 72M over eight payments? I ain't no mathematician, but....

    Aside from getting your point that you think longer term deals always go with reduced cap hits to help out a team, can I point out that this the potentially the best UFA season since Scott Stevens? A sign and trade is different from the trade for rights DD is discussing:

    Here is an explanation from a respectable hockey news source: https://www.tsn.ca/insider-trading-sign-and-trade-possible-for-tavares-1.1028621

    Basically, now that a UFA's old team can write him an 8yr deal, assuming there is, indeed, a limit to the annual cap hit that any team will give a player (even if it's just the one in the rulebook) then a player seeking to maximize earnings will sign an eight year deal to make more total dollars (not to mention that it can then be more front loaded, so they get more money right away). If the eight year deal Tavares wants is at a higher number than the Isles feel they can afford, they have a choice between (a) thumbing their noses at him about that lost eighth year as he plays seven years against them, possibly for a division rival or (b) getting something back, by sitting down with Tavares and the team he wants to play for, and making a trade.

    If Snow is not stupid, and I understand you may have to suspend disbelief a bit here, he's then in a situation where he's got a proven #1 center he has to trade within the next month. Teams might lowball him a little bit, but he's not giving him away for free, either.

    Under no circumstance is Tavares viewing the eighth year of his contract as such a special treat that he'll accept less total value to get it over a longer amount of time. That means that in the last year he earns negative five million dollars. But you get that, right?


    I understand and that is all fine and good but I highly doubt Hextall would even consider giving up 1 1st let alone 2 and another former 1st round pick when we have our 1A/1B center for the foreseeable future.
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    May 7, 2018 at 1:43 p.m.
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    I agree with your premise that Snow (and any other GM in his situation) would be incredibly smart to try for a sign-and-trade if they think there's a decent chance their asset walks for nothing. It would definitely get them back a significant package of assets. The problem is in evaluating what that return would be, because this type of trade just doesn't seem to happen in hockey like it does in basketball.
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