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Is This Reasonable Or Am I Crazy?

Team: 2018-19 Tampa Bay Lightning
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 8, 2018
Published: Jul. 8, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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$12,500,000 (Performance Bonus$250,000)
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NMC
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I know the Senators want a 1st round pick in a Karlsson trade, and the Rangers have the Lightning's pick (conditionally) and don't want to participate in a three-way deal unless they get a much better return than Tampa will give. So, this takes care of their necessary cap dumps for a season. Carolina needs a goalie, and Montreal doesn't like that contract. The Hurricanes give Montreal Cam Ward, who they can use along with Niemi (who was a solid backup for about 20 games with them last season) and possibly Ingram (it's not a winning combination, but they're re-building anyway and may as well tank, and Ingram is a future NHL goalie who could use time to develop but will ultimately serve Montreal well in a couple of years). Carolina gets Price, who is declining, but is still good and should allow the Hurricanes to win games). In exchange for facilitating the deal with their own picks/prospects, the Hurricanes give the Lightning Skinner, a huge upgrade on Killorn, who they dump to Montreal (Montreal may be on his no trade list, but I'm not sure because it would give him extra minutes).

For the Karlsson deal, this is what I see Yzerman trying for, but you can replace Foote with Sergachev if you want and it doesn't really matter. As for the NJD part, that's where this became problematic because I didn't see any trade assets available since they can't lose both Sergachev and Foote without guaranteeing that their defense becomes a problem in a few years. Somppi was actually one of the top players in the QMJHL, and is still young, so I would say he's on track to be a good forward in a few years, and NJD has enough cap space until then. I'm still not sure they accept....

The next season, if the Lightning can find a way to dump Callahan, they just have to trade J.T. Miller and/or Tyler Johnson (which shouldn't be that hard; Miller is a consistent 20-goal scorer and many teams that have cap space need a reliable depth scorer, and Tyler Johnson is a reliable #2 C if he'll waive his NTC). Coburn and Girardi both enter free agency, and they can call up Cernak and re-sign Dotchin for ~1m to make up for losing both of them (or try to get a cheap depth defenseman by trading Miler or Johnson, if possible). They can offer lower salaries as there are no state taxes, so that should get them enough cap space to hold on to their important pieces, and they'll have Joseph and Stephens ready to play by then if they do lose some.

I might be mistaken in thinking that Montreal is regretting the Price contract and will give him up at that price, though. Cam Ward is obviously a downgrade, and though they could use Ingram as their main starter just to develop him, I doubt that's what they would want.

I don't know, I was hoping I could work this out better, but I'm not sure that this works at all. Thoughts?
Trades
1.
2.
TBL
  1. Darling, Scott
  2. Skinner, Jeff ($2,725,000 retained)
  3. 2019 1st round pick (CAR)
CAR
  1. Price, Carey
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (TBL)
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (TBL)
3.
4.
TBL
  1. Karlsson, Erik
  2. Ryan, Bobby ($1,250,000 retained)
OTT
  1. Foote, Cal
  2. Raddysh, Taylor
  3. Volkov, Alexander
  4. 2019 1st round pick (CAR)
  5. 2019 3rd round pick (TBL)
5.
TBL
  1. 2020 5th round pick (NJD)
NJD
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2019
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$79,500,000$76,454,613$142,947$1,215,000$3,045,387

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
$5,250,000$5,250,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 5
$686,667$686,667 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
C, RW
UFA - 1
$4,766,667$4,766,667
RW
UFA - 1
$8,500,000$8,500,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 6
$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, C, LW
NTC
UFA - 6
$5,300,000$5,300,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 4
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 1
$1,000,000$1,000,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
$728,333$728,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
C, LW
UFA - 2
$5,800,000$5,800,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
$650,000$650,000
LW
UFA - 1
$1,000,000$1,000,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
$677,500$677,500
LW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$7,875,000$7,875,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
$6,500,000$6,500,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$3,500,000$3,500,000
G
UFA - 2
$4,700,000$4,700,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD/RD
UFA - 2
$1,150,000$1,150,000
G
UFA - 2
$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
$3,700,000$3,700,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$800,000$800,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Jul. 8, 2018 at 1:10 a.m.
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Have to give sergachev and point to Ottawa.
Jul. 8, 2018 at 1:11 a.m.
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How are you going to pay Skinner, Point, Kucherov, Sergachev, Karlsson, and Vas over the next 2 yrs?
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Jul. 8, 2018 at 1:13 a.m.
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How did we get Carey Price a 2nd and a 3rd for Skinner Darling and a first?

Thanks I guess

We still need a First line Center though

How bout you add Duchene from Ottawa and we'll send you Faulk
Jul. 8, 2018 at 1:50 a.m.
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Dont think Montreal is going to pay Price 28 000 000 over the next 8 years to play in another team, giving the poor return
Jul. 8, 2018 at 2:25 a.m.
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Quoting: Trickster
Have to give sergachev and point to Ottawa.


You can swap Sergachev for Foote in the trade if need be, but Yzerman isn't giving up Point in a Karlsson deal. If the Senators refuse without Point, then the deal is off. But, the Senators need to trade Karlsson since he's not going to re-sign there, so they would lose him for free if they don't. This package is better than what any other team is offering, so the Senators can choose between that, or one more year of Karlsson before he leaves in free agency. The Lightning's defense is fine to contend for a Cup without Karlsson, though it improves significantly with him; meanwhile, they don't have any legitimate shutdown center to replace Point. Yzerman doesn't seem willing to trade Point, and the fact that the talks haven't ended suggests that the Senators are actually willing to go through with this.

Quoting: Kosterjr
How are you going to pay Skinner, Point, Kucherov, Sergachev, Karlsson, and Vas over the next 2 yrs?


Trade Johnson and Miller, try to dump Callahan, let Coburn and Girardi walk, and for the next season they could have over $20m in cap space to add to Skinner, Point, Kucherov, Karlsson, and Gourde, and to find cheap replacements for lost players (mostly in the form of AHL call-ups on ELCs). That should be more than enough, especially if they can get people to agree to a slight discount to be on a state tax-free Cup contending team. The salary cap will also go way up due to Seattle before they have to worry about Vasilevskiy and Sergachev. If it's really not manageable, they could trade one of their star players for a nice return.

Quoting: Shifttee
How did we get Carey Price a 2nd and a 3rd for Skinner Darling and a first?

Thanks I guess

We still need a First line Center though

How bout you add Duchene from Ottawa and we'll send you Faulk


I don't think Ottawa gives Duchene for that package. If they're already getting rid of Karlsson and Ryan, they need to stay above the cap floor, so they might not want to give away Duchene at all, but if they do, it takes more than we can give. If Johnson will waive his NTC, we could add him to the trade if you add Faulk (and that would fit under the cap. He's more of a #2C, though, I'm not sure if he's what you would need. If you accept that, our defensive pairings could be:

Hedman-Karlsson
McDonagh-Sergachev
Girardi-Faulk

We wouldn't necessarily be able to maintain that with the cap and an expansion draft coming up, but it would make us heavy Cup favorites and we have to trade Johnson anyway to stay under the cap. I'm not sure if Carolina gives Faulk, Skinner, Darling, and a 1st for Price, Johnson, a 2nd, and a 3rd.

Quoting: Belly
Dont think Montreal is going to pay Price 28 000 000 over the next 8 years to play in another team, giving the poor return


I was wondering about that. Does Carolina still accept with no cap retention? If Carolina will do Faulk, Skinner, Darling, and a 1st for Price (no retention), Johnson, a 2nd, and a 3rd, and every other team will accept (with Foote and Sergachev swapped if necessary for the Senators but otherwise that seems similar to what they're probably going to get), the Lightning become a legitimate super team.
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