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Would any side consider this

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Team: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 6, 2018
Published: Oct. 6, 2018
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$12,500,000 (Performance Bonus$250,000)
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Edit: Reading these comments is killing any faith in humanity I have left. It seems very few people actually read descriptions (and are just looking at the aav without looking at the term), and even among those that do, few have any understanding of how contract negotiations work... WHEN YOU DON'T BUY UFA YEARS, THE CAP HIT GOES DOWN!

Here is the logic:
A 5 year deal is the perfect compromise deal for the team and player.
If Nylander signed last year with Ehlers, he would get 7@6. Factor in cap increase and he gets 6.5.
Now if you take off 2 years, that gets him to UFA faster, killing the cap hit (this only buys 1 year of UFA).
Therefore: 5@5.75

Benefits for Nylander: Gets a fair payday here, will get a huge one later.
Is ufa faster, has choice
can finally play this year.

Leafs get:
A good cap hit.
Options
gets nylander playing

What do I mean by options?
Well If I was going to trade Nylander, i'd do it in a Johansen for Jones way. Wait for a dman to get a season or two in the bigs, then trade for him. The Johansen for Jones trade has worked out well for both teams, and that is what I'd like to see here.

We need a small cap hit for now while we wait and see what we have on the point, and what develops league wide. We need some term to get full value for Nylander when we trade him. The idea is to keep Nylander for 3 full seasons, then either in the off season or early/mid way into the 4th, trade him for our version of Jones, to a team that badly needs a 1st line winger (lets hope Edmonton gets a decent Dman with their top 5 pick this year).

The other option is to just keep Nyalnder and sign him to the 8 ish he would get after the 5, which we could afford to do at that point. If we aren't getting a player on Seth Jones' level, I do not want to make this deal, and would rather just sign him after the 5, should this be the route they take.

Guy's I'd be watching for (player development and also team needs/expendable areas):
Rasmus Andersson <---- If I had to guess, it looks like he is most likely as of right now
Charlie McAvoy
Noah Dobson
Cal Foote
Cale Makar
Adam Boqvist
Erik Branstrom
Miro Heiskinen
Sami Niku
Noah Juulsen
Others like them, both in the league and yet to be drafted/make the bigs.
(Note: not that these players are available now, but these are the players that I would be watching for their development and the situation around them, to see if you could work a deal in the future. Remember that this is 3-4 years in the future)
Free Agent Signings
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5$5,750,000
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DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2018
2019
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$79,500,000$66,933,333$2,550,000$5,400,000$12,566,667
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
C
UFA - 1
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
RW
UFA - 6
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 7
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$787,500$787,500
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$650,000$650,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$675,000$675,000
C
UFA - 2
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$863,333$863,333
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 4
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$4,050,000$4,050,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 6
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$675,000$675,000
G
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$675,000$675,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2

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Oct. 6, 2018 at 2:05 a.m.
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This isn't realistic. But not for the reasons you think. Read on.

Nylander isn't going to sign for 5.75. You said it yourself, if he signed last year it would be at least for 6. Realistically he's worth anywhere between 6-6.75 AAV, so let's say for the sake of argument the lowest he'll go is 6.5M. This takes up slightly more of a cap hit, but regardless of the deal, that doesn't really matter.

This is the situation the Leafs face right now. With as many people the Leafs need to consider re-signing within the next 270 days, give or take, it basically comes down to sign Nylander or sign Matthews. With how much cap space they have (4th highest in the league at the moment according to this site), they still need to consider (with the exception of Matthews/Nylander) 6 forwards, 3 defencemen and a goalie. Suddenly that 15 ish million dollar pie (considering the rumoured cap increase to 82.5M, and of course this takes some rounding on my end) gets a hell of a lot smaller to divide.

The best case scenario for the Leafs, which in this day and age is a bit of a pipe dream, is to hope beyond hopes that Matthews and Nylander can agree to take a pay cut until 2020-21. Why then? Notwithstanding cap increases, there are two very big money hits that will dissipate. We can more or less assume that Marleau's current deal will be his last (dude will be 41 by the start of the 2020-21 season) and the hit caused by taking Horton's deal will finally be off our backs. That's 11.5M in cap space freed up. But that's two years from now. Until then, the Leafs are basically going to have to bow to every request that doesn't include a dollar sign just to get Matthews and Nylander to consider staying, with the promise of a large portion of a roughly 27 million dollar pie in two years being all the Leafs can do in terms of money talks, not counting any further cap increases to add to it.

In short, this is where the Tavares deal, as good for hype as it was, rears its ugly head. The Leafs are very likely to lose either one of them, if not both, as a direct result from the Tavares deal. As much of a pay cut he reportedly took, the hit on the cap still all but guarantees that at least one of them are leaving.
Oct. 6, 2018 at 2:10 a.m.
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Quoting: refboyardee
This isn't realistic. But not for the reasons you think. Read on.

Nylander isn't going to sign for 5.75. You said it yourself, if he signed last year it would be at least for 6. Realistically he's worth anywhere between 6-6.75 AAV, so let's say for the sake of argument the lowest he'll go is 6.5M. This takes up slightly more of a cap hit, but regardless of the deal, that doesn't really matter.

This is the situation the Leafs face right now. With as many people the Leafs need to consider re-signing within the next 270 days, give or take, it basically comes down to sign Nylander or sign Matthews. With how much cap space they have (4th highest in the league at the moment according to this site), they still need to consider (with the exception of Matthews/Nylander) 6 forwards, 3 defencemen and a goalie. Suddenly that 15 ish million dollar pie (considering the rumoured cap increase to 82.5M, and of course this takes some rounding on my end) gets a hell of a lot smaller to divide.

The best case scenario for the Leafs, which in this day and age is a bit of a pipe dream, is to hope beyond hopes that Matthews and Nylander can agree to take a pay cut until 2020-21. Why then? Notwithstanding cap increases, there are two very big money hits that will dissipate. We can more or less assume that Marleau's current deal will be his last (dude will be 41 by the start of the 2020-21 season) and the hit caused by taking Horton's deal will finally be off our backs. That's 11.5M in cap space freed up. But that's two years from now. Until then, the Leafs are basically going to have to bow to every request that doesn't include a dollar sign just to get Matthews and Nylander to consider staying, with the promise of a large portion of a roughly 27 million dollar pie in two years being all the Leafs can do in terms of money talks, not counting any further cap increases to add to it.

In short, this is where the Tavares deal, as good for hype as it was, rears its ugly head. The Leafs are very likely to lose either one of them, if not both, as a direct result from the Tavares deal. As much of a pay cut he reportedly took, the hit on the cap still all but guarantees that at least one of them are leaving.


The argument for the 5.75 is the term.
This is not a bridge deal, but it is not a super long term deal, it is kind of in the middle.
It Long term deals get expensive because you are buying UFA years, with a 5 year deal, you only buy one UFA year, so the cap hit goes way, way down.
Look at how much Nurse signed for in Edmonton, we can all agree he will be worth more, and if he signed a long term deal he would get more.
This is exactly the same premise, except we are buying all of his RFA + 1 UFA, hence being not too far from market value, but still being lower than you would think.
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Oct. 6, 2018 at 2:19 a.m.
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Edited Oct. 6, 2018 at 2:28 a.m.
Quoting: refboyardee
This isn't realistic. But not for the reasons you think. Read on.

Nylander isn't going to sign for 5.75. You said it yourself, if he signed last year it would be at least for 6. Realistically he's worth anywhere between 6-6.75 AAV, so let's say for the sake of argument the lowest he'll go is 6.5M. This takes up slightly more of a cap hit, but regardless of the deal, that doesn't really matter.

This is the situation the Leafs face right now. With as many people the Leafs need to consider re-signing within the next 270 days, give or take, it basically comes down to sign Nylander or sign Matthews. With how much cap space they have (4th highest in the league at the moment according to this site), they still need to consider (with the exception of Matthews/Nylander) 6 forwards, 3 defencemen and a goalie. Suddenly that 15 ish million dollar pie (considering the rumoured cap increase to 82.5M, and of course this takes some rounding on my end) gets a hell of a lot smaller to divide.

The best case scenario for the Leafs, which in this day and age is a bit of a pipe dream, is to hope beyond hopes that Matthews and Nylander can agree to take a pay cut until 2020-21. Why then? Notwithstanding cap increases, there are two very big money hits that will dissipate. We can more or less assume that Marleau's current deal will be his last (dude will be 41 by the start of the 2020-21 season) and the hit caused by taking Horton's deal will finally be off our backs. That's 11.5M in cap space freed up. But that's two years from now. Until then, the Leafs are basically going to have to bow to every request that doesn't include a dollar sign just to get Matthews and Nylander to consider staying, with the promise of a large portion of a roughly 27 million dollar pie in two years being all the Leafs can do in terms of money talks, not counting any further cap increases to add to it.

In short, this is where the Tavares deal, as good for hype as it was, rears its ugly head. The Leafs are very likely to lose either one of them, if not both, as a direct result from the Tavares deal. As much of a pay cut he reportedly took, the hit on the cap still all but guarantees that at least one of them are leaving.


I'd like to add that we have ~32 million in space next year.
If this scenario happens, it means that management is unsure what to do with Willy, and are considering a trade down the line.
Willy at 5.75 (5 yrs)+ Marner at 7.5 (6 yrs) + Matthews at 11(8 yrs) = 24.25 million
32 - 24.25 = 7.75 + Horton LTIR = ~13
Need to resign Kappy + Johnsson + Backup + 4C + Bring up a 4LW from the Marlies + Bring up 2 D from marlies + one more D.
Kappy + Johnsson should be 4. Backup plus 4C should be <2. 4LW <1, 2 Marlies D (Borg/Rosen and Liljegren) <2 = <9 million. 4 million to spend and only need 1 D + 1 extra (the 32 mil counts holl and goat)

I think the 2 stars was mean to this, as you don't seem to actually highlight a problem with the idea, considering the one thing you said did not take into account term (which is the important part of this ACGM).
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Oct. 6, 2018 at 2:20 a.m.
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Nylander doesn't want a bridge and he certainly isn't getting paid LESS than Ehlers
Oct. 6, 2018 at 2:23 a.m.
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Nylander doesn't want a bridge and he certainly isn't getting paid LESS than Ehlers


5 years is not a bridge deal, and I will repeat what I said about the term. Ehlers is on a long term deal, this deal takes Nylander to UFA very quickly. That kills the cap hit, and only by about 750k/year

Are people even reading this? I explained it in the desc.
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