It's so much fun to scrutinize general managers and their decision making (as long as it's not your teams' GM), so which ones need to go and why?

The three guys that I can say should go ASAP are Bergevin, Chiarelli and Holland. Bergevin because of the incredibly slow defense he's put together and the mismanagement of a lot of high potential players, Chiarelli because he's basically gotten 1 team-friendly contract in Klefbom (unless you count McDavid), and his horrible trades (Reinhart, Strome, Larsson, etc), and Holland because he offers horrendous contracts and refuses to rebuild a team that desperately needs it.

Anybody else that needs to go?


PS // I would've had Joe Sakic on this list, but then he actually got twice what his reported ask was for Duchene, so he can stay lol.

A couple things about Bergevin
1. What high potential players has he mismanaged? Galchenyuk put his fate in his own hands (been to rehab twice), Bergevin cant control that. Other than him. they haven't really had any high potential players besides Sergechev who he traded for a #1 Center, while he hasn't exactly been a good face-off guy, he is easily our best offensive player
2. Slow Defense? Since Jerabek got called up and Sclemko got healthy, our defense has been quite mobile.
3. He has made alot of good trades. We could argue about who won the Subban/Weber or Sergechev/Drouin trade but IMO both teams benefited. Bergevin has signed some great contracts, and he has really helped our Prospect pool despite having late picks since he was hired.
4. Paul Byron waiver pickup for free. Raphael Diaz = Dale Weise = Philip Danault + 2nd. Thomas Vanek costed us nothing. Radulov FA. Petry for 2nd. Benn for scraps.

Sure he has done alot of bad, but so has pretty much every other GM in the league.

A lot of people seem to think that GMs must be fired right away, when really, a) i doubt any GMs are getting fired before the season's over, and b) not all of Bergevin, Snow, Holland, Chiarelli, Dorion, Benning, and all the guys everyone thinks are terrible GMs are gonna get fired. Dorion, Benning, Chiarelli, and Holland are all actually good GMs. Bergevin is questionable, and Garth Snow has made some bad moves, but the only guy i could see getting fired soon is Garth Snow but only if the Isles miss the playoffs.

When he says Holland is a good GM but Bergevin isnt... Smh

Okay, so, generally, I think you can look at three things with respect to a GM's track record:
A) Drafting and Developing
B) Free Agency
C) Trades and Waivers
For the most part, some GMs are going to be better than others at these catagories. David Poile is a trade whizz and is a very good drafter, but isn't always as effective at free agency. So when evaluating Bergevin, Chiarelli, and Holland, we have to look at those three things logically. I'm only going to evaluate Bergevin here (this takes too much time lol)
Let's assume that for a good draft, you have to find either one superstar, two other NHLers with at least one of them being a top nine forward/top four defenseman, or three NHLers (measured by games played or expected (if still a prospect)
We'll evaluate trades, waivers, and free agency adds on a case by case basis.

Marc Bergevin, GM of the Montreal Canadiens, hired May 2, 2012
Catagory A: Drafting and Developing
2012: Alex Galchenyuk, Charles Hudon - Grading: while Galchenyuk could have been better, he's a clear top 6 winger, at worst, so this is a PASS
2013: Michael McCarron, Jacob De La Rose, Artturi Lehkonen, Sven Andrighetto - Grading: Although some of these guys are fringe, Lehkonen and Andrighetto have been very solid players. PASS
2014: Nikita Scherbak - Grading: one bottom four defenseman isn't good enough. FAIL
2015: Noah Juulsen - Grading: see above. FAIL
2016: Mikhail Sergachev, Victor Mete - Grading: Sergachev looks like a stud, Mete looks like a top four d-man of the future. PASS
2017: Too early to really project
Drafting and developing record: 3-2. However, it's important to note that in the past three years, it's been 1-2.

Catagory B: Free Agency
2012 GOOD: Carey Price second contract, Lars Eller extension
2012 BAD: Brandon Prust contract
2013: Nothing, really?
2014 GOOD: PK Subban Contract
2014 BAD: Nothing, really
2015 GOOD: Galchenyuk Bridge, Alex Semin 1-year deal
2015 BAD: Nothing, really
2016 GOOD: Philip Danault extension, Alex Radulov signing, Al Montoya signing
2016 BAD: Andrew Shaw 6-year contract
2017 GOOD: Joe Morrow contract, Alex Galchenuyuk extension, Ales Hemsky contract
2017 BAD: Carey Price extension, Karl Alzner signing, letting Radulov and Markov leave

Good years: 2014, 2015, 2016
Bad Years: 2012, 2017
Record: 3-2-1. Past three years, 2-1-0

Catagory C: Trades and Waivers
Michael Ryder + 3rd Round Pick <=> Erik Cole - Grading: Meh
Thomas Vanek + 5th Round Pick <=> Sebastian Colleberg + 2nd Round Pick - Grading: Win
PA Parenteau + 5th Round Pick <=> Daniel Briere - Grading: Loss
Sergei Gonchar <=> Travis Moen - Grading: Meh
Jeff Petry <=> 2nd Round PIck, 4th Round Pick - Grading: Win
Zach Kassian + 5th Round Pick <=> Brandon Prust - Grading: Meh
Mark Barbario waived and lost - Grading: Loss
Andrew Shaw <=> 2 2nd Round PIcks - Grading: Meh (although one of those did turn into Alex DeBrincat)
Shea Weber <=> PK Subban - Grading: Terrible
Jordie Benn <=> Greg Pateryn, 4th Round PIck - Grading: Win
Andres Martinsen <=> Sven Andrighetto - Grading: Loss
Dwight King <=> 4th Round PIck - Grading: Loss
Jonathan Drouin <=> Mikael Sergachev - Grading: Meh
3rd Round Pick <=> Nathan Beaulieu - Grading: Loss
David Schlemko <=> 5th Round Pick - Grading: Win
Mark Streit waiver - Grading: Loss
Record: 4-6-5 (plus the PK trade......)

So I think that Bergevin has done most of his damage in recent years, where his ideals for a winning philosophy don't seem to line up with the fans and the rest of the league.
However, BECAUSE most of his moves that seem damaging have no fully played out, I think waiting for the end of the season (or at least post-trade deadline, when he can no longer make moves), is the earliest you can fire him, especially since Montreal is currently occupying a playoff spot.

Conclusion: While Bergevin's track record has earned him a hot seat, with his team having some success, he probably won't be fired until the end of the year, at best.

Florida's Dale Tallon, has had fired a GM, and coaches. With an out of playoffs team, maybe he goes. Flyers for whatever reason seem to like there former players running their teams. Maybe it should be someone else not Hextall. I don't think Tallon and Hextall will be fired but should be. Holland will be bumped upstairs but will not longer be GM. Leafs Lou will stay in the organization but and a GM named, but it will still be a multi headed "GM"

It's funny how Montreal fans are all of a sudden defending Bergevin, when they've been calling for his head for the past year.

We are quick to judge lol.

Catagory C: Trades and Waivers
Michael Ryder + 3rd Round Pick <=> Erik Cole - Grading: Meh
Thomas Vanek + 5th Round Pick <=> Sebastian Colleberg + 2nd Round Pick - Grading: Win
PA Parenteau + 5th Round Pick <=> Daniel Briere - Grading: Loss
Sergei Gonchar <=> Travis Moen - Grading: Meh
Jeff Petry <=> 2nd Round PIck, 4th Round Pick - Grading: Win
Zach Kassian + 5th Round Pick <=> Brandon Prust - Grading: Meh
Mark Barbario waived and lost - Grading: Loss
Andrew Shaw <=> 2 2nd Round PIcks - Grading: Meh (although one of those did turn into Alex DeBrincat)
Shea Weber <=> PK Subban - Grading: Terrible
Jordie Benn <=> Greg Pateryn, 4th Round PIck - Grading: Win
Andres Martinsen <=> Sven Andrighetto - Grading: Loss
Dwight King <=> 4th Round PIck - Grading: Loss
Jonathan Drouin <=> Mikael Sergachev - Grading: Meh
3rd Round Pick <=> Nathan Beaulieu - Grading: Loss
David Schlemko <=> 5th Round Pick - Grading: Win
Mark Streit waiver - Grading: Loss
Record: 4-6-5 (plus the PK trade......)

Your forgetting Paul Byron Waivers
Raphael Diaz for Dale Weise
Dale Weise for Danault + 2nd
Losing Streit isnt a loss
Beaulieu for a 3rd isnt a loss = meh
King for a 5th is a loss yet we got the same 5th back for Mitchell = it should even out
Lars Eller = 2 2nds win
Marc Barberio to waivers = not really a loss as he hasnt done much
Briere put up 12 points after being traded so its not like he was good = meh

After that being said it puts his track record at 8-1-7 with the only loss being Subban - Weber

Catagory A: Drafting and Developing
2012: Alex Galchenyuk, Charles Hudon - Grading: while Galchenyuk could have been better, he's a clear top 6 winger, at worst, so this is a PASS
2013: Michael McCarron, Jacob De La Rose, Artturi Lehkonen, Sven Andrighetto - Grading: Although some of these guys are fringe, Lehkonen and Andrighetto have been very solid players. PASS
2014: Nikita Scherbak - Grading: one bottom four defenseman isn't good enough. FAIL
2015: Noah Juulsen - Grading: see above. FAIL
2016: Mikhail Sergachev, Victor Mete - Grading: Sergachev looks like a stud, Mete looks like a top four d-man of the future. PASS
2017: Too early to really project
Drafting and developing record: 3-2. However, it's important to note that in the past three years, it's been 1-2.

2012 - Bozon was looking promising until he got Meningitis (lost 40 pounds and was out for the year). He never was the same.

2013 - Reway was a great prospect until doctors discovered he has a heart problem and it sidelined him forever (Shitty luck eh?)

Its really to early to tell every year since 2013 in which Bergevin is 2-0. Give it another couple years until judging 2014. BTW Jake Evans is tearing up the NCAA, Daniel Audette is doing great in the AHL. Brett Lernout is slated as a TOP 6 Defensemen. Scherbak would be playing in the NHL right now if he didnt get injured.

2015 = Like previously stated, its way to early to judge whos a bust and whos a stud but looking at it through points and such, Lukas Vejdemo is having a career year in the SHL Despite being a defensive forward. Noah Juulsen was "suppose" to make the NHL this year until he got injured in training camp and is now just making his way back in the AHL, Jeremiah Addision was another guy who was suppose to challenge for an NHL spot until he injured his shoulder and was out for 6 months.

2016 = Will Bitten is challenging for a spot on Team Canada, Sergechevs a beast, Metes a beast nough said

how do you get a team in the playoffs for 25 years in a row?
Come on, he hasn't been known to trade much, but that's good, because he kept the team together when they were already a great team.

Have you seen what he has done to the team since? Its easy to GM a team when Babcock is the coach

wait, so all because they missed the playoffs once, he's suddenly a bad GM?

Refer to tadhockeys first post.

2015 GOOD: Galchenyuk Bridge, Alex Semin 1-year deal
2015 BAD: Nothing, really
2016 GOOD: Philip Danault extension, Alex Radulov signing, Al Montoya signing
2016 BAD: Andrew Shaw 6-year contract
2017 GOOD: Joe Morrow contract, Alex Galchenuyuk extension, Ales Hemsky contract
2017 BAD: Carey Price extension, Karl Alzner signing, letting Radulov and Markov leave

Im only going to judge the last 3 years.

2015 Good: Condon ELC, Petrys signed decent for a top 4 guy. Beaulieu was only signed to a 2 year contract (Thank god), Barberio (you said it was bad we lost him to waivers but we also got him for free), Mcnivem ELC
2015 Bad : Plekenec 2x6 which isnt horrible
2016 Good: Byron cheap 3 year deal, Lindgren ELC, Signed Montoya to a cheap 2 year deal
2016 Bad: Shaws contract but its low enough AAV that its tradable if needed
2017 Good: Jerabek, Drouin to a cheap long term AAV, Galchenyuk cheap 3 year deal
2017 Bad: Alzner to a high length contract. Im 50/50 on Price because he got what he deserved at the end of the day. Any Goalie of his caliber is going to get paid even if Poile was in charge.

At the end of the day, I say its 2-1 with 2017 being the only loss, but its not even that bad

Look at all of the recent contracts he's given out. He's racked so much in cap hits that he almost couldn't afford to sign one of his good, young players in Athanasiou. He got lucky that AA didn't have arbitration rights yet. Nielsen, Abdelkader, Helm, Glendening, Booth, Dekeyser, Ericsson, and Daley are all questionable to bad contracts. Not to mention all of the full NTC's he hands out like candy.

My point exactly

Nielsen maybe got a bit too long of a contract but he's a great all-round player.
Abdelkader i agree.
Helm Is questionable.
Glendening's is fine.
Booth is making just over the league minimum. I don't see how that's a bad contract.
Dekeyser's is questionable.
Ericsson's isn't great.
Daley's is fine.

Every GM gives out bad contracts. And they made the playoffs 25 years in a row, wow, he must be a terrible GM.

So because he was once a great GM it means he always will be? Lets just sign Dany Heatley to a 8 year 60 Million Dollar contract because of his stats from 10 years ago.

no, but the streak only ended last season.

And look at what he has done since then. Not hard to see it.

Imagine how much better off the Red Wings would be if they never traded Datsyuk's contract to the Coyotes. They'd have more cap space because they wouldn't have signed Nielsen, and they could've taken Chychrun, who could be a future top pairing defenseman for them. But instead they have a bad contract and a much lesser prospect in Cholowski.

What happens when they have to pay Larkin and Mantha, and then give Athanasiou a raise? They won't have the money to do it. Once upon a time, Holland did some masterful work. He's trying to keep a team afloat that he needs to just completely dismantle (or the few contracts that he can move)

Yes, he IS a terrible GM. Present tense. I'm not negating his past success. He WAS good GM. But as of now, and because of what he has done recently, he is not good.

Not to mention he drafted Michael Rasmussen simply because he's big and can stand in front of the goalie, when he could've taken Liljegren, Suzuki, Foote, or Brannstrom.

Nope I still want him gone, his old school mentality needs to go. When Bergevin was hired in 2012, the NHL then was all about getting bigger (due to BOS and LAK winning cups with size and grit), the whole Bergevin strategy was get big, get tough and get rid of the smurf nickname lol. With the changes in NHL moving more towards speed and skill, Bergevin hasn’t been able to adapt quick enough, perfect example was last years trade deadline with him trading for, you guessed it, size and grit (King, Ott, Martinsen).

To be fair to Bergevin, I think it’s finally sunk in his thick skull that the size and grit strategy won’t work. And he has some really solid moves under his belt (Byron waiver pickup, Weise for Danault + 2nd), there’s still too many negatives (last years trade deadline, this offseason, the Shaw trade + contract —> I like Shaw, but not at that cap hit and the expense of Debrincat, the constant trading of assets for 4th liners)