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Dec. 14, 2017 at 6:20 p.m.
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For me, it's Kevin Shattenkirk. Not just because of how much of a disappointment he was in the playoffs for the Caps last season, but because of the sheer number of turnovers and silly giveaways that he makes. I've seen a lot of it now that he's with the Rangers too, not just with his short time with the Caps. I'm not sure if this was an issue in St. Louis, but it certainly has been one now.


Quick side note // I feel like everybody has answered Jonathan Toews for this question so many times that he isn't really overrated anymore (except by media).
Dec. 14, 2017 at 6:49 p.m.
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Dec. 14, 2017 at 7:32 p.m.
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Care to explain?
Dec. 14, 2017 at 9:10 p.m.
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Care to explain?


All he does is hit lol
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Dec. 15, 2017 at 9:47 a.m.
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Rasmus Ristolainen. Much like Shattenkirk, he's a good PP guy, but he's even worse in his own end. I don't see him as a #1 defenseman, long-term.
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Dec. 15, 2017 at 11:39 a.m.
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Rasmus Ristolainen. Much like Shattenkirk, he's a good PP guy, but he's even worse in his own end. I don't see him as a #1 defenseman, long-term.


The guy is more underrated than overated, most casual fans don't even know who He is
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Dec. 15, 2017 at 11:53 a.m.
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Uggghh why do we still do these?

Its not that it can't be done but its needs to be quantified in some way for it to be valid and not just fan bias. Overrated how? Cost/production? Media-wise? Fan bases? Or is it just someone you personally don't like?

Some people still say Sidney Crosby is overrated..... they have no real basis for it but simply don't like him so they say he is overrated. Much to what you said about Shattenkirk. Is he overpaid? Absolutely! Are their tons of fans and media outlets saying he is the second coming of jesus? I haven't heard it. In fact I've got nothing but negative comments about the guy.

So is he still overrated or are you just pissed WSH gave so much up for him last year to watch him sign somewhere else and not do that much in the playoffs?


Want to know why I think Shattenkirk is overrated? That face only a mother could love. Frankly I can't fathom handing a player 6M+ with a face like that. laugh
Dec. 15, 2017 at 12:16 p.m.
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Uggghh why do we still do these?

Its not that it can't be done but its needs to be quantified in some way for it to be valid and not just fan bias. Overrated how? Cost/production? Media-wise? Fan bases? Or is it just someone you personally don't like?

Some people still say Sidney Crosby is overrated..... they have no real basis for it but simply don't like him so they say he is overrated. Much to what you said about Shattenkirk. Is he overpaid? Absolutely! Are their tons of fans and media outlets saying he is the second coming of jesus? I haven't heard it. In fact I've got nothing but negative comments about the guy.

So is he still overrated or are you just pissed WSH gave so much up for him last year to watch him sign somewhere else and not do that much in the playoffs?


Want to know why I think Shattenkirk is overrated? That face only a mother could love. Frankly I can't fathom handing a player 6M+ with a face like that. laugh


I knew that there was no chance he was going to resign with us. I didn't care, but the expectations were high for him during the playoffs. When he was a bust with us, I assumed he would've been better with the Rangers, since he'd have an entire training camp to learn the system opposed to learning on the fly. But he's still making the same stupid turnovers. Whenever I turn on the Rangers, it's a turnover festival for Shattenkirk.
Dec. 15, 2017 at 12:27 p.m.
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Uggghh why do we still do these?

Its not that it can't be done but its needs to be quantified in some way for it to be valid and not just fan bias. Overrated how? Cost/production? Media-wise? Fan bases? Or is it just someone you personally don't like?

Some people still say Sidney Crosby is overrated..... they have no real basis for it but simply don't like him so they say he is overrated. Much to what you said about Shattenkirk. Is he overpaid? Absolutely! Are their tons of fans and media outlets saying he is the second coming of jesus? I haven't heard it. In fact I've got nothing but negative comments about the guy.

So is he still overrated or are you just pissed WSH gave so much up for him last year to watch him sign somewhere else and not do that much in the playoffs?


Want to know why I think Shattenkirk is overrated? That face only a mother could love. Frankly I can't fathom handing a player 6M+ with a face like that. laugh


I knew that there was no chance he was going to resign with us. I didn't care, but the expectations were high for him during the playoffs. When he was a bust with us, I assumed he would've been better with the Rangers, since he'd have an entire training camp to learn the system opposed to learning on the fly. But he's still making the same stupid turnovers. Whenever I turn on the Rangers, it's a turnover festival for Shattenkirk.


Interestingly enough, Shat has already surpassed his career high in giveaways and he's only played 31 games.
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Dec. 15, 2017 at 12:29 p.m.
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The guy is more underrated than overated, most casual fans don't even know who He is


Just because they don't know who he is doesn't make him underrated. I've heard people say he's the future of the Buffalo blue line, and I don't believe he will live up to that because of his poor defensive play. Maybe he gets that projection because Buffalo has a terrible blue line and he's to be the only one that can consistently put up points. He seems to be becoming less and less overrated because people are starting to realize the holes in Buffalo's defense core. While his offensive play is still good, he's not going to be that true #1 defenseman that Buffalo needs, at least not without some re-tooling in his game. At best, he's a second pairing PP specialist. Sounds like another defenseman talked about in this very thread.
Dec. 15, 2017 at 12:39 p.m.
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Care to explain?


He wastes too much time hitting, no joke.
Dec. 15, 2017 at 1:06 p.m.
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Care to explain?


He wastes too much time hitting, no joke.


He's 45th in the league in hits per game. And he has gotten 45+ points each of the last three seasons. Guys like Larsson, Ristolainen, Komarov, Backes, and Foligno all lay more hits than Byfuglien. That's a pretty piss-poor reason to call someone overrated, especially when he puts up the amount of offense he does. Heck, even Ovechkin has more hits than Byfuglien over the past 8 seasons.
Dec. 15, 2017 at 3:00 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS


The guy is more underrated than overated, most casual fans don't even know who He is


Just because they don't know who he is doesn't make him underrated. I've heard people say he's the future of the Buffalo blue line, and I don't believe he will live up to that because of his poor defensive play. Maybe he gets that projection because Buffalo has a terrible blue line and he's to be the only one that can consistently put up points. He seems to be becoming less and less overrated because people are starting to realize the holes in Buffalo's defense core. While his offensive play is still good, he's not going to be that true #1 defenseman that Buffalo needs, at least not without some re-tooling in his game. At best, he's a second pairing PP specialist. Sounds like another defenseman talked about in this very thread.


Look at in from the average perspective not a single teams perspective. Matthews is Gretzky 2.0 to the TML but in reality he's not even close
Dec. 15, 2017 at 3:00 p.m.
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Quoting: DoctorBreakfast
Quoting: KSIxSKULLS


The guy is more underrated than overated, most casual fans don't even know who He is


Just because they don't know who he is doesn't make him underrated. I've heard people say he's the future of the Buffalo blue line, and I don't believe he will live up to that because of his poor defensive play. Maybe he gets that projection because Buffalo has a terrible blue line and he's to be the only one that can consistently put up points. He seems to be becoming less and less overrated because people are starting to realize the holes in Buffalo's defense core. While his offensive play is still good, he's not going to be that true #1 defenseman that Buffalo needs, at least not without some re-tooling in his game. At best, he's a second pairing PP specialist. Sounds like another defenseman talked about in this very thread.


Look at in from the average perspective not a single teams perspective. Matthews is Gretzky 2.0 to the TML but in reality he's not even close
Dec. 15, 2017 at 3:01 p.m.
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Just because they don't know who he is doesn't make him underrated. I've heard people say he's the future of the Buffalo blue line, and I don't believe he will live up to that because of his poor defensive play. Maybe he gets that projection because Buffalo has a terrible blue line and he's to be the only one that can consistently put up points. He seems to be becoming less and less overrated because people are starting to realize the holes in Buffalo's defense core. While his offensive play is still good, he's not going to be that true #1 defenseman that Buffalo needs, at least not without some re-tooling in his game. At best, he's a second pairing PP specialist. Sounds like another defenseman talked about in this very thread.


Look at in from the average perspective not a single teams perspective. Matthews is Gretzky 2.0 to the TML but in reality he's not even close


He's still a great player don't get me wrong, but to me it's how the average fan views players is what makes them overated or underated
Dec. 29, 2017 at 7:28 p.m.
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Ovechkin
Dec. 29, 2017 at 9:10 p.m.
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He's never had under 30 goals in a season and has had (7) 50+ goal seasons.

I think there are more overrated players than Alex Ovechkin, such as Kevin Shattenkirk or Brad Marchand or some player along those lines.
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Dec. 30, 2017 at 8:42 a.m.
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I hate these threads, but sir, Brad Marchand is not overrated.
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Dec. 30, 2017 at 9:56 a.m.
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P.K. Subban is really overrated.

-Habs fans praise him like god and were super salty when he was traded to Nashville. He is also super dirty and isn't very good defensively either. I find him kinda hyper and I don't care about his personality at all.

Phil Kessel is also overrated.

-Everyone loves him to death and I don't really see what's so special about him. His game isn't very special unlike Malkin or Crosby. I don't care about player personality at all.

I still like these 2 players but they're overrated as heck.
Dec. 30, 2017 at 10:25 a.m.
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Cody Ceci and Kevin Shattenkirk (big time).
Dec. 30, 2017 at 10:47 a.m.
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Cody Ceci and Kevin Shattenkirk (big time).


Ah, Cody Ceci, the punching bag for all the analytical communities.
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Dec. 30, 2017 at 11:10 a.m.
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Quoting: Hockeylover360
P.K. Subban is really overrated.

-Habs fans praise him like god and were super salty when he was traded to Nashville. He is also super dirty and isn't very good defensively either. I find him kinda hyper and I don't care about his personality at all.

Phil Kessel is also overrated.

-Everyone loves him to death and I don't really see what's so special about him. His game isn't very special unlike Malkin or Crosby. I don't care about player personality at all.

I still like these 2 players but they're overrated as heck.


Subban is not overrated imo. but he is definitely overpaid.
Dec. 30, 2017 at 11:43 a.m.
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Subban is not overrated imo. but he is definitely overpaid.


Some people love Subban to death and some hate him a lot.
Dec. 30, 2017 at 12:02 p.m.
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Quoting: Hockeylover360
Some people love Subban to death and some hate him a lot.


If your a Leafs or Bruins fan your not a big fan of him.
Dec. 30, 2017 at 12:15 p.m.
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If your a Leafs or Bruins fan your not a big fan of him.


Philadelphia fans still "boo" him from his incident with Mike Richards around a decade ago.
 
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