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Seabrook Habs?

Created by: Riad1331
Team: 2017-18 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 10, 2018
Published: Jan. 10, 2018
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MTL
  1. Franson, Cody
  2. Seabrook, Brent
  3. 2018 1st round pick (CHI)
CHI
  1. Petry, Jeff
  2. Plekanec, Tomas ($3,000,000 retained)
  3. 2018 2nd round pick (CHI)
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MTL
  1. 2018 4th round pick (NYI)
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$75,000,000$62,087,142$0$607,500$12,912,858
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
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$4,900,000$4,900,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 3
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
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$4,050,000$4,050,000
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UFA - 2
$912,500$912,500
C
UFA - 1
$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
$1,166,667$1,166,667
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$650,000$650,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
$3,900,000$3,900,000
C, RW
UFA - 5
$725,000$725,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
$839,166$839,166
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$725,000$725,000
LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$748,333$748,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
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UFA - 3
$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 9
$6,500,000$6,500,000
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UFA - 1
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UFA - 5
$700,000$700,000
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UFA - 1
$6,875,000$6,875,000
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UFA - 7
$1,100,000$1,100,000
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UFA - 2
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
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Jan. 10, 2018 at 11:21 a.m.
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Habs don’t need that seabrook contract
Jan. 10, 2018 at 11:29 a.m.
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Quoting: wakeman
Habs don’t need that seabrook contract


Jeff Petry is as bad as him but Seabrook won 3 stanley cup played for team canada.I agree that his has a contract that is long but he can help the team with his experience. I don’t why but every time Shea Webber is on the lineup Jeff Petry makes alot of mistakes but when Shea is injured he plays good hockey..... Maybe this trade could help the players and the team
Jan. 10, 2018 at 11:35 a.m.
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Yeah Petry can be inconsistent but I’d still rather him, younger, less $ and shorter contract.
Jan. 10, 2018 at 12:14 p.m.
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Jeff Petry is as bad as him but Seabrook won 3 stanley cup played for team canada.I agree that his has a contract that is long but he can help the team with his experience. I don’t why but every time Shea Webber is on the lineup Jeff Petry makes alot of mistakes but when Shea is injured he plays good hockey..... Maybe this trade could help the players and the team


I'm not sure Seabrook is better than Petry right now, but even if you think they're at the same level, that contract is cancer and the Habs are not in a position to take it. How would you feel about paying around $15M to 40-year-old Weber and 40-year-old Seabrook?
Jan. 10, 2018 at 12:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Campa96
I'm not sure Seabrook is better than Petry right now, but even if you think they're at the same level, that contract is cancer and the Habs are not in a position to take it. How would you feel about paying around $15M to 40-year-old Weber and 40-year-old Seabrook?

Price will be 39 years-old with 10.5M$. + Seabrook will not stay with MTL until his 40 neither do shea webber. Trade will be made for one of them to leave. Seabrook might be harder bcz of his NMC but Shea doesn’t have one so maybe trade shea webber in 3 years to arizona for cheap and move on.
Again his contract might be frustrating but he was a big part of the team when the hawks won the championships and what did Petry do nothing and his still gonna do nothing for the habs.
Jan. 10, 2018 at 12:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Riad1331
Jeff Petry is as bad as him but Seabrook won 3 stanley cup played for team canada.I agree that his has a contract that is long but he can help the team with his experience. I don’t why but every time Shea Webber is on the lineup Jeff Petry makes alot of mistakes but when Shea is injured he plays good hockey..... Maybe this trade could help the players and the team


A GM's job isn't to help the players, it's to help the team. Even if Petry isn't the long-term answer, why would the Habs want to tie themselves into an even older guy with a longer/worse contract? I like Seabrook, but 2024 is a long way away. That said, if Weber retires, the cap hit goes back to Nashville. I wonder if the same kind of deal could be made for Seabrook if he quits a few years earlier or is bought out.

So, the rest of the deal -- assuming Petry = Seabrook -- is Pleks and a #2 for Chicago's #1. If Chicago isn't in the playoffs, I don't see why they would make this deal. And if they are in the playoffs, why would the Habs trade their low second and Pleks for a mid- to high first? Might need a little more tweaking to make sure both teams' interests are accounted for.
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Jan. 10, 2018 at 12:48 p.m.
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A GM's job isn't to help the players, it's to help the team. Even if Petry isn't the long-term answer, why would the Habs want to tie themselves into an even older guy with a longer/worse contract? I like Seabrook, but 2024 is a long way away. That said, if Weber retires, the cap hit goes back to Nashville. I wonder if the same kind of deal could be made for Seabrook if he quits a few years earlier or is bought out.

So, the rest of the deal -- assuming Petry = Seabrook -- is Pleks and a #2 for Chicago's #1. If Chicago isn't in the playoffs, I don't see why they would make this deal. And if they are in the playoffs, why would the Habs trade their low second and Pleks for a mid- to high first? Might need a little more tweaking to make sure both teams' interests are accounted for.


Finally , thanks for your opinion. The Plek trade is good for the hawks if they make it to the playoffs.
Now for the Seabrook trade I understand that his contract is bad for the future (i personally hate Weber contract bcz ot goes even longer and his been injured alot this season). But as you said if Webber retires the cap goes back to Nashville so 7.5M$ will be off the cap Montreal. I think that this trade will be a good wake up for the team cz i think that Pacioretty will not be easy to trade (by the meaning that Bergevin need to find a Good deal like Joe Sakic did with duchene witch by the way ended really bad for duchene cz he played really bad in the begging of the season in colorado ) if Montreal want to make it to the playoffs he can be someone would help them not only reach but maybe make a push to the final . I said Maybe XD.
Jan. 10, 2018 at 12:52 p.m.
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Guys its fun and all but you are asking two separate guys to waive their NMC's to go to opposite teams when they are fully entrenched with the teams they are on.

It really doesn't matter who wins this trade. The odds of both guys accepting to go to the other team is virtually 0%. If they didn't have NMC's there could be a debate here but other wise its kind of a moot point.
Jan. 10, 2018 at 12:57 p.m.
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Quoting: Riad1331
Price will be 39 years-old with 10.5M$. + Seabrook will not stay with MTL until his 40 neither do shea webber. Trade will be made for one of them to leave. Seabrook might be harder bcz of his NMC but Shea doesn’t have one so maybe trade shea webber in 3 years to arizona for cheap and move on.
Again his contract might be frustrating but he was a big part of the team when the hawks won the championships and what did Petry do nothing and his still gonna do nothing for the habs.


You make it seem like trading two of the worst contacts in the league is gonna be easy and cheap. It's not gonna be. In three years Weber will still have 5 and a half years left on his contract at $7.8M, why would Arizona handcuff themselves for so long when they can get bad contracts and picks attached each year? And it could be even worse with Seabrook since he has a NMC and is worse than Weber.
Jan. 10, 2018 at 1:31 p.m.
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Guys its fun and all but you are asking two separate guys to waive their NMC's to go to opposite teams when they are fully entrenched with the teams they are on.

It really doesn't matter who wins this trade. The odds of both guys accepting to go to the other team is virtually 0%. If they didn't have NMC's there could be a debate here but other wise its kind of a moot point.


Not sure you're entirely correct on this. Petry has a 15-team list that kick in this summer. Seabrook's is more complex, though players usually accept cash to waive it and they rarely want to stay on a team where they're not wanted by the GM. Seabrook is NMC for now, followed by Modified NTC of 5 teams 2022-23 and 10 teams in 2023-24.
Jan. 10, 2018 at 1:46 p.m.
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Not sure you're entirely correct on this. Petry has a 15-team list that kick in this summer. Seabrook's is more complex, though players usually accept cash to waive it and they rarely want to stay on a team where they're not wanted by the GM. Seabrook is NMC for now, followed by Modified NTC of 5 teams 2022-23 and 10 teams in 2023-24.


That si right I keep on forgetting about Petry's NTC modification. Either way as I've said in previous posts about it, having a 15 trade NTC might as well be a full NMC. If he doesn't want to be traded, just pick the 15 teams that need the RHD depth and that have not much cap space. All but 99% ensures the team that MB would be dealing with wouldn't be on that list. It would narrow the odds by a large margin to all but surely keep him safe.

As for Seabrook, yes that is true but not for Seabrook. This is the first time he's being scratched that i can think of. A player as deepely entrenched in the Hawks org. wouldn't go full kamikaze and want out if benched 1 time. He's been a career Hawk. he's won 3 cups there. Has his family, friends, etc etc all situated there. If it was me in Seabrooks shoes? I don't think i'd ever waive my NMC. Buy me out if you don't want me anymore but my first emotion will be to get my ass into gear and start playing better.
Jan. 10, 2018 at 2:08 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
That si right I keep on forgetting about Petry's NTC modification. Either way as I've said in previous posts about it, having a 15 trade NTC might as well be a full NMC. If he doesn't want to be traded, just pick the 15 teams that need the RHD depth and that have not much cap space. All but 99% ensures the team that MB would be dealing with wouldn't be on that list. It would narrow the odds by a large margin to all but surely keep him safe.

As for Seabrook, yes that is true but not for Seabrook. This is the first time he's being scratched that i can think of. A player as deepely entrenched in the Hawks org. wouldn't go full kamikaze and want out if benched 1 time. He's been a career Hawk. he's won 3 cups there. Has his family, friends, etc etc all situated there. If it was me in Seabrooks shoes? I don't think i'd ever waive my NMC. Buy me out if you don't want me anymore but my first emotion will be to get my ass into gear and start playing better.


Sometimes a change is as good as a rest. Players want to go where they're wanted. If the writing is on the wall that the Hawks will start rebuilding, Seabrook won't want to be the guy left behind to turn off the lights and have fans booing him because he's slow and expensive.

No way that Petry, who's from Michigan, says no to an original six team like the Hawks.

That said, there's a million reasons to not make this trade, so it won't happen. On that we agree.
Jan. 10, 2018 at 2:16 p.m.
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Sometimes a change is as good as a rest. Players want to go where they're wanted. If the writing is on the wall that the Hawks will start rebuilding, Seabrook won't want to be the guy left behind to turn off the lights and have fans booing him because he's slow and expensive.

No way that Petry, who's from Michigan, says no to an original six team like the Hawks.

That said, there's a million reasons to not make this trade, so it won't happen. On that we agree.


Yeah but you said if Seabrook doesn't want to be on a rebuilding team he may want go somewhere else, why would Petry waive his to go to a rebuilding team? Anyways its all semantics. The odds of this happening are so low it really isn't worth getting into too much.
Jan. 10, 2018 at 2:25 p.m.
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Yeah but you said if Seabrook doesn't want to be on a rebuilding team he may want go somewhere else, why would Petry waive his to go to a rebuilding team? Anyways its all semantics. The odds of this happening are so low it really isn't worth getting into too much.


Easy answer on Petry is simply going home to the U.S. and going where he's wanted. It's just too bad Seabrook isn't a left-sider. Imagine him and Weber on the PK together. No one would ever even see the net.
Jan. 10, 2018 at 2:37 p.m.
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Easy answer on Petry is simply going home to the U.S. and going where he's wanted. It's just too bad Seabrook isn't a left-sider. Imagine him and Weber on the PK together. No one would ever even see the net.


Well I mean he had his chance? He chose MTL......... Petry here in MTL is wanted, not sure why anyone would think otherwise. He's been very good for a really really bad team this year. Considering Habs have to overpay UFA's to come here due to taxes, language, etc 5.5M is really more like 4.5M to some of the other NHL U.S cities.

Either way that's besides the point. Seabrook with the Habs? Jesus, we'd be only Boychuck, Byfuglien and Phaneuf away from the slowest, most expensive long term, d-core in the league LMAO
Jan. 10, 2018 at 3:05 p.m.
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Petry is not nearly bad or inconsistent as people often attribute to him. Any trade where he is considered even a partial cap dump is of no value to the Habs. This would be trading a solid top 4 defenseman for a comparable player with a higher hit for a longer term. There is little tangible benefit to making that exchange, and at least two tangible reasons to not do it, age and contract.

That said, I wouldn't put it past Bergevin. He might drool over the idea of picking up another former Blackhawk with cup rings and character.
 
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