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with bergevin as gm something like this is going to happen

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Team: 2017-18 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 14, 2018
Published: Jan. 14, 2018
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1.
EDM
  1. 2018 1st round pick (MTL)
  2. 2019 1st round pick (MTL)
  3. 2020 1st round pick (MTL)
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CGY
  1. Pacioretty, Max
  2. 2018 2nd round pick (CHI)
3.
MTL
  1. Wennberg, Alexander
  2. 2018 1st round pick (CBJ)
  3. 2018 3rd round pick (CBJ)
CBJ
  1. Petry, Jeff
  2. 2018 2nd round pick (MTL)
  3. 2018 2nd round pick (WSH)
  4. 2019 2nd round pick (MTL)
  5. 2020 2nd round pick (MTL)
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5.
MTL
  1. 2018 2nd round pick (ANA)
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27$75,000,000$70,593,809$0$182,500$4,406,191
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UFA - 6
$4,900,000$4,900,000
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UFA - 3
$912,500$912,500
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UFA - 1
$1,000,000$1,000,000
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UFA - 1
$1,166,667$1,166,667
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$725,000$725,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
$839,166$839,166
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$650,000$650,000
C
UFA - 2
$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 4
$725,000$725,000
LW
UFA - 1
$3,575,000$3,575,000
C
UFA - 1
$720,000$720,000
LW
RFA - 3
$4,900,000$4,900,000
C
UFA - 6
$650,000$650,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
$4,100,000$4,100,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
$5,250,000$5,250,000
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NMC
UFA - 6
$3,000,000$3,000,000
C
UFA - 1
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$4,625,000$4,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 5
$7,857,143$7,857,143
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UFA - 9
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NMC
UFA - 1
$2,100,000$2,100,000
LD
UFA - 3
$700,000$700,000
G
UFA - 1
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
$650,000$650,000
RD
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
$748,333$748,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
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UFA - 3

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could bergevin be stupid enough
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Jan. 14, 2018 at 9:37 p.m.
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Billy739
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MB 's trades =
Weise and Fleischmn for Danault and a 2nd
MB stock piles picks.

Vanek deal he used a fresh drafted player and a pick for everyone cried about
both busted .

look at MB's trade history then look at Sweeney's in BOS or Chirelli in EDM and you'll gain CONTEXT
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Jan. 14, 2018 at 9:44 p.m.
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Take Nuge out of that trade and it's perfect
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Jan. 14, 2018 at 9:47 p.m.
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MB's staff was already in place when he showed up
he's never ran this ship its always been Molson since he became President in 2011
after the Cammalerri debacle saw the Board from Molson give him his warning .
(Molson board is who forced the sale originally in 2003 but because of Geoffs brother Andrew being
a high power Board Member after years of debate Molson backed the Brothers Dream but just like 2003 that can change quick )


Molson hired Clement Joidin who is always on the molson radar
hired Larry Carierre to over see Development like Julien Brisebois in TBL (LC has been the definition of failure )
then he hired MB after he already started setting up the system around him

before MB ever took the job ,Molson had placed who he trusted in the system
not letting the GM hire his own staff entirely .

our President is the only owner of 31 NHL teams to be drunk enough to not hire a professional
its why we've had 3 GM's ,4 Coaches and more assistant coaches then i can count but until Clement resigned
Molson's 2 consistent **** up of hire's were untouchable (Carierre is responsible for hiring Lefevbre to 3 team teams in 3 different locations in 6 years with only 1 playoff )
Jan. 14, 2018 at 10:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
MB 's trades =
Weise and Fleischmn for Danault and a 2nd
MB stock piles picks.

Vanek deal he used a fresh drafted player and a pick for everyone cried about
both busted .

look at MB's trade history then look at Sweeney's in BOS or Chirelli in EDM and you'll gain CONTEXT


look at weber for subby
Jan. 14, 2018 at 10:10 p.m.
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Edited Jan. 14, 2018 at 10:17 p.m.
Quoting: habs_fan123
look at weber for subby


which in context has nothing to do with this comment on any level whatsoever
your statement is pure Conjecture
Jan. 14, 2018 at 10:15 p.m.
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Quoting: habs_fan123
look at weber for subby


you're literally arguing opinion .

the reality is our youth is thriving with Subban and Weber has already mentored more youth in 1 year then
Subban did in his entire career .

No Weber , guaranteed Sergachev doesnt get the looks he did last year
Subban Markov just stayed together and ignored the youth so we had to trade picks for ''Defensive Leadership '' players like
Spacek ,Murray,Gonchar,Weaver, Gill ,Kaberle and the list literally goes on and on and on.

with Subban here not 1 but 2 first round D went bust not to forget the revolving door of players we signed to plug those holes from Campoli to Diaz from Gilbert to Schlemko
Jan. 14, 2018 at 10:34 p.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
you're literally arguing opinion .

the reality is our youth is thriving with Subban and Weber has already mentored more youth in 1 year then
Subban did in his entire career .

No Weber , guaranteed Sergachev doesnt get the looks he did last year
Subban Markov just stayed together and ignored the youth so we had to trade picks for ''Defensive Leadership '' players like
Spacek ,Murray,Gonchar,Weaver, Gill ,Kaberle and the list literally goes on and on and on.

with Subban here not 1 but 2 first round D went bust not to forget the revolving door of players we signed to plug those holes from Campoli to Diaz from Gilbert to Schlemko



Sergachev barely played with Weber and spent most of his time in Juniors. He was already a top prospect and Weber didn't change that. Weber is a good player and leader but Nashville completely won the trade because Subban is an allstar while Weber has been injured for a lot of time and his play has been declining. Bergevin should have been able to get picks in that trade. Also the youth hadn't been drafted when Subban was on the habs.
Jan. 14, 2018 at 11:04 p.m.
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Value for the CGY deal is not bad at all. But backlund is too important to our team, it would never happen.
Jan. 15, 2018 at 1:13 a.m.
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Quoting: Habsfan27
Sergachev barely played with Weber and spent most of his time in Juniors. He was already a top prospect and Weber didn't change that. Weber is a good player and leader but Nashville completely won the trade because Subban is an allstar while Weber has been injured for a lot of time and his play has been declining. Bergevin should have been able to get picks in that trade. Also the youth hadn't been drafted when Subban was on the habs.


subban is going to be traded from NSH by summer 2019
because right now 3/4 top D make 9.25m and NSH has
2/3 D mentioned due paydays and considering both are
top pairing D in NSH last playoffs you'd have to think
they stick with the core Shea trained and avoid PK UFA saga
by trading him to a team like EDM ,LA,CHI or PIT and get solid pieces .

plus Subban hasnt played to the level his 9m dollar contract says he should
yes he's been as good as most 7m dollar defensman but when push came to shove
in the finals subban sat in the penalty box 4 playoff games 3 of which NSH lost and
the Defensman they paid 9m dollars and Weber for who was suppose to provide the
offense to tip the scales in their favor cost his team when it mattered most .

Subban is a great player but they did pay him to play 2nd pairing like he's Petry
even with Ellis injured until 4 games ago Subban wasnt promoted , ekholm was to top line
with Subban and Emelin taking 2nd pair . they'd make the most impact flipping him to a team like
EDM who would give up a big piece to land him as Chirelli was all over Subban for a year before he went to NSH
wanting to trade EDM pick for Subban so we could get Dubois but CBJ picking him over Pujlarvi and Tkchuck threw the
draft into chaos from there and ended up allowing us to get Sergachev so late .
Jan. 15, 2018 at 5:01 a.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
subban is going to be traded from NSH by summer 2019
because right now 3/4 top D make 9.25m and NSH has
2/3 D mentioned due paydays and considering both are
top pairing D in NSH last playoffs you'd have to think
they stick with the core Shea trained and avoid PK UFA saga
by trading him to a team like EDM ,LA,CHI or PIT and get solid pieces .

plus Subban hasnt played to the level his 9m dollar contract says he should
yes he's been as good as most 7m dollar defensman but when push came to shove
in the finals subban sat in the penalty box 4 playoff games 3 of which NSH lost and
the Defensman they paid 9m dollars and Weber for who was suppose to provide the
offense to tip the scales in their favor cost his team when it mattered most .

Subban is a great player but they did pay him to play 2nd pairing like he's Petry
even with Ellis injured until 4 games ago Subban wasnt promoted , ekholm was to top line
with Subban and Emelin taking 2nd pair . they'd make the most impact flipping him to a team like
EDM who would give up a big piece to land him as Chirelli was all over Subban for a year before he went to NSH
wanting to trade EDM pick for Subban so we could get Dubois but CBJ picking him over Pujlarvi and Tkchuck threw the
draft into chaos from there and ended up allowing us to get Sergachev so late .


Nashville runs more of a 1A/1B with it's top-4, both pairs end up seeing ~24 mins a night.

Subban going to the box didn't cost Nashville the Cup, not scoring a goal in the last 2 games cost them the Cup. Pit scored 2PPG the entire Finals. Subban was in the box for neither of them.
Subban penalties
-G1: Delay of game. No goals scored
-G2: Fighting (offset Malkin). No goals scored.
-G3: Holding. No goals scored
-G4: None
-G5: Holding (offset Crosby). Pit scored 4v4.
-G6: None.

Nashville is setup pretty well for the next few years. Most of their better players are signed for longterm. Even if Josi and Ellis get matching $6m/y deals they'll only be spending ~$27m/yr (Ekholm's contract is a steal) on their d-corps.
Jan. 15, 2018 at 7:17 a.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
subban is going to be traded from NSH by summer 2019
because right now 3/4 top D make 9.25m and NSH has
2/3 D mentioned due paydays and considering both are
top pairing D in NSH last playoffs you'd have to think
they stick with the core Shea trained and avoid PK UFA saga
by trading him to a team like EDM ,LA,CHI or PIT and get solid pieces .

plus Subban hasnt played to the level his 9m dollar contract says he should
yes he's been as good as most 7m dollar defensman but when push came to shove
in the finals subban sat in the penalty box 4 playoff games 3 of which NSH lost and
the Defensman they paid 9m dollars and Weber for who was suppose to provide the
offense to tip the scales in their favor cost his team when it mattered most .

Subban is a great player but they did pay him to play 2nd pairing like he's Petry
even with Ellis injured until 4 games ago Subban wasnt promoted , ekholm was to top line
with Subban and Emelin taking 2nd pair . they'd make the most impact flipping him to a team like
EDM who would give up a big piece to land him as Chirelli was all over Subban for a year before he went to NSH
wanting to trade EDM pick for Subban so we could get Dubois but CBJ picking him over Pujlarvi and Tkchuck threw the
draft into chaos from there and ended up allowing us to get Sergachev so late .


Are you acutally suggesting Subban played below expectations in the finals? He was a total beast come on. And as Josi and Subban are both offensive dmen, the Preds coaching staff wanted to balance it out by putting the steady Ekholm with Josi and Emelin, who Subban is already familiar with from the Montreal days, with Subban.
Jan. 15, 2018 at 8:35 a.m.
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Yeah Ryan-Nugent-Hopkins+Milan Lucic aren't worth 3 1st round picks combined not even close that's terrible neither have lived up to expectations.
 
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