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Is Grabner worth a 1st?

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Jan. 18, 2018 at 11:28 a.m.
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A ton of his goals are empty netters haha. Don't know about what you offered, I think its an overpay. Grabs could probably fetch a 2nd and conditional 4th that can become a 3rd IMO
Jan. 18, 2018 at 11:32 a.m.
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in actual value he is not. but if there are a lot of sutors for him come trade deadline, he can fetch a late 1st
Jan. 18, 2018 at 11:34 a.m.
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Not a 1st and Spooner, maybe just the first though.
Jan. 18, 2018 at 11:35 a.m.
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I like the first deal,would rather give up Spoons and a second
Jan. 18, 2018 at 11:48 a.m.
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Someone would have to go in the deal (even though Grabner's salary is only 1.65 we are still at the ceiling/especially if we make the first deal which I really like) we need the cap space. If not Spoons than Nash but that line has been gelling really well I don't like the idea of moving Spooner to center that line and messing with the chemistry. Adding Spooner is simply a cap move on our end. As far as the 1st IDK??? That's what I'm asking...

Do you think any GM's around the league throw out a 1st as bait, because once it's out there that will be the par. I think adding Spoons would make us the highest bidder I don't think anyone would go higher than that for a rental. And of course it's going to be a late 1st round no matter who puts in a bid as only Cup contenders would be looking to add him... 1) he's a rental 2) he'll be looking for a raise next year (maybe not much, but his stock is high right now, that's why NYR is looking to cash in their chips)
Jan. 18, 2018 at 12:14 p.m.
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Not at all. I wouldn't touch Grabner, especially at that price.
Jan. 18, 2018 at 12:27 p.m.
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Here's the thing, the TDL is all about markets. If you have a talented winger available but every team already has a ton of good wingers, is that talented winger going to fetch a top return? Probably not.

I think it has nothing to do with whether or not Grabner is worth a 1st or not. It more has to do with what the market is for the teams who are going all in. A team like TB for example, if they have Kucherov, Palat and Killorn all go down with injuries until mid playoffs, you better bet they'll want to add a guy like Grabner. If there are 3 teams who all have a bunch of injuries to their wingers right before the TDL, all of sudden their is a big market for wingers and the price on all the available ones goes up.

IMO is Grabner worth a late 1st? No i don't think so. If something similar to the scenario above happens could he fetch a late 1st? Absolutely.

There is also one other factor which is the domino effect. If 2 of those 3 teams trade for Pacioretty and Kane respectively, the 3rd team that has yet to make a move and was in on those other two guys, now feels like they are behind the eight ball compared to those other teams. Depending where management is and if the owner wants the GM to go for it a bit more, they might get desperate to add some help and end up paying more for a guy like Grabner than he is worth.
Jan. 18, 2018 at 12:43 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Here's the thing, the TDL is all about markets. If you have a talented winger available but every team already has a ton of good wingers, is that talented winger going to fetch a top return? Probably not.

I think it has nothing to do with whether or not Grabner is worth a 1st or not. It more has to do with what the market is for the teams who are going all in. A team like TB for example, if they have Kucherov, Palat and Killorn all go down with injuries until mid playoffs, you better bet they'll want to add a guy like Grabner. If there are 3 teams who all have a bunch of injuries to their wingers right before the TDL, all of sudden their is a big market for wingers and the price on all the available ones goes up.

IMO is Grabner worth a late 1st? No i don't think so. If something similar to the scenario above happens could he fetch a late 1st? Absolutely.

There is also one other factor which is the domino effect. If 2 of those 3 teams trade for Pacioretty and Kane respectively, the 3rd team that has yet to make a move and was in on those other two guys, now feels like they are behind the eight ball compared to those other teams. Depending where management is and if the owner wants the GM to go for it a bit more, they might get desperate to add some help and end up paying more for a guy like Grabner than he is worth.


This I agree with 100% I guess I should have phrased my question differently do you think the market commands a 1st for Grabner (I personally don't think he's worth it under "normal" circumstances) but given where the market is at right now (if the play-offs started today/or if the TDL was today) do you think he would fetch a 1st given the league standings and needs of those teams? I am guilty of not following the entire league and really try to play catch up when the TDL closes in on who's who and who needs what. I know Boston. I know we're looking for a LHD and a RW and while these trades would solve 1 of those problems (possibly 2 depending how Martin bounces back) I'm not really familiar on what other teams are needing and only slightly familiar on trade rumors and what other teams are offering up... I guess the purpose for this mock-up was to get opinions on what people think Grabner will go for as there has been absolutely zero chatter on the net of an asking price or bids in real life.
Jan. 18, 2018 at 12:54 p.m.
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This I agree with 100% I guess I should have phrased my question differently do you think the market commands a 1st for Grabner (I personally don't think he's worth it under "normal" circumstances) but given where the market is at right now (if the play-offs started today/or if the TDL was today) do you think he would fetch a 1st given the league standings and needs of those teams? I am guilty of not following the entire league and really try to play catch up when the TDL closes in on who's who and who needs what. I know Boston. I know we're looking for a LHD and a RW and while these trades would solve 1 of those problems (possibly 2 depending how Martin bounces back) I'm not really familiar on what other teams are needing and only slightly familiar on trade rumors and what other teams are offering up... I guess the purpose for this mock-up was to get opinions on what people think Grabner will go for as there has been absolutely zero chatter on the net of an asking price or bids in real life.


If it started today, which teams have a ton of winger injuries? that's probably your best bet. Even then though, the more teams in the same situation will cause a player like Grabner to fetch more. If that one team decided to tough it out, NYR are stuck with Grabner and will essentially end up losing him for nothing. there is risk both ways. A team looking to move a player can't get too greedy or they end up selling the player for less then they are worth simply because they couldn't foresee that the market value being asked was simply to high of a price.

That's where those 3 o'clock trades happen. Right as the deadline hits. Somebody flinches and gives in. It could work both ways. Depends on whose more willing to go back with nothing accomplished. More times then not the team trading the player has more pressure to get something done then the team looking to add.
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Jan. 18, 2018 at 2:30 p.m.
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This I agree with 100% I guess I should have phrased my question differently do you think the market commands a 1st for Grabner (I personally don't think he's worth it under "normal" circumstances) but given where the market is at right now (if the play-offs started today/or if the TDL was today) do you think he would fetch a 1st given the league standings and needs of those teams? I am guilty of not following the entire league and really try to play catch up when the TDL closes in on who's who and who needs what. I know Boston. I know we're looking for a LHD and a RW and while these trades would solve 1 of those problems (possibly 2 depending how Martin bounces back) I'm not really familiar on what other teams are needing and only slightly familiar on trade rumors and what other teams are offering up... I guess the purpose for this mock-up was to get opinions on what people think Grabner will go for as there has been absolutely zero chatter on the net of an asking price or bids in real life.


If Bruins are looking for LHD as well, what about Grabner+Holden, potentially with salary retention, for the 1st (no Spooner unless needed for cap reasons)?
Jan. 18, 2018 at 3:12 p.m.
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If Bruins are looking for LHD as well, what about Grabner+Holden, potentially with salary retention, for the 1st (no Spooner unless needed for cap reasons)?


That's an interesting proposition. From my understanding NYR are in full rebuild mode and no one is off limits not even McDonagh; Grabner & Holden together have a combined cap hit of 3.3 I don't think we'd need to move Spooner to stay under the Cap ceiling. This is a very interesting proposition.
 
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