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Team: 2017-18 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 20, 2018
Published: Jan. 20, 2018
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MTL
  1. Wennberg, Alexander
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CBJ
  1. Byron, Paul
  2. Lehkonen, Artturi
  3. Schlemko, David
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Need low salary depth for the playoff
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CGY
  1. Shaw, Andrew
  2. 2018 2nd round pick (WSH)
3.
MTL
  1. Bean, Jake
  2. Roy, Nicolas
  3. 2019 2nd round pick (CAR)
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Conditional pick to resign Pacc
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MTL
  1. Sheahan, Riley
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4th Line player lately... and they need to stay in the playoff run with Murray out
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24$75,000,000$61,808,808$0$752,500$13,191,192
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LW, RW
UFA - 6
$4,900,000$4,900,000
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$4,900,000$4,900,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 3
$650,000$650,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
$912,500$912,500
C
UFA - 1
$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$1,950,000$1,950,000
C
UFA - 2
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$725,000$725,000
LW
UFA - 1
$720,000$720,000 (Performance Bonus$145,000$145K)
C, RW
UFA - 3
$2,075,000$2,075,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
$725,000$725,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
$650,000$650,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$748,333$748,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
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UFA - 3
$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
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UFA - 1
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RD
NMC
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$700,000$700,000
G
UFA - 1
$4,625,000$4,625,000
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M-NTC
UFA - 5
$1,100,000$1,100,000
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UFA - 2
$925,000$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
$863,333$863,333
RD
UFA - 3
$894,166$894,166
LD/RD
RFA - 4
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Jan. 20, 2018 at 11:13 a.m.
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Easy no from all. Carolina only one close but they heed a center.
Jan. 20, 2018 at 11:21 a.m.
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I think Pacman & Plekanic should go to Philly for one of their two firsts and maybe another small piece.
Jan. 20, 2018 at 11:30 a.m.
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Columbus is fair enough but Wennberg is not good at faceoffs and shows no signs of improving. He's also sheltered, so I'd be concerned about his defensive ability, and whether he'd have any better chance of being a top 6 center than Galchenyuk. I wouldn't give up on Lehkonen yet if the return is another winger.

I'd probably take a chance on Bennett at that price. If he doesnt work out as a top 6C, at least he can provide similar production for a lower price.

Add a 1st from Carolina to the package.

Sheahan is not worth pursuing, especially at that price. Niemi isn't a good fit in Pittsburgh either. They waived him for a reason.
Jan. 20, 2018 at 12:40 p.m.
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Columbus is fair enough but Wennberg is not good at faceoffs and shows no signs of improving. He's also sheltered, so I'd be concerned about his defensive ability, and whether he'd have any better chance of being a top 6 center than Galchenyuk. I wouldn't give up on Lehkonen yet if the return is another winger.

I'd probably take a chance on Bennett at that price. If he doesnt work out as a top 6C, at least he can provide similar production for a lower price.

Add a 1st from Carolina to the package.

Sheahan is not worth pursuing, especially at that price. Niemi isn't a good fit in Pittsburgh either. They waived him for a reason.


I think I've officially found the comment I least agree with you on rico! Sticking Out Tongue

IMO Even if Wennberg isn't the best at faceoffs and isn't the best defensively, you wouldn't trade a bottom pairing dman, a 28 year old jack of all trades and a young solid two way winger with decent but not superb potential for a guy you similarly compared to Glachneyuk?

Wennberg is good enough to play big enough minutes for a hard enough coach like Torts, I think he is good enough for Julien and our centerless Habs right now. Yeah sure he isn't having a great year this year but neither are guys like Foligno, Atkinson, Jenner. His faceoff % isn't great but he plays the position well. Rarely giving up the puck and more times than not takes the puck away from the opposing team. He's a true passing center that would benefit a guy like Pacioretty immensely or even Drouin or Galchenyuk for that matter.

Saying no to a trade like that is why the Habs are soooo weak at center as is. But hey if your waiting for guys like Tavares to be our savior, get ready to be disapointed because there is a good chance he isn't coming here and right now MTL has the weakest center lineup in the NHL.

If there is one truth from all this: Beggars can't be choosers. Right now the Habs are absolute beggars and should not be turning down quality centers who would be instantly the best center the Habs would have.
Jan. 20, 2018 at 12:52 p.m.
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I think I've officially found the comment I least agree with you on rico! Sticking Out Tongue

IMO Even if Wennberg isn't the best at faceoffs and isn't the best defensively, you wouldn't trade a bottom pairing dman, a 28 year old jack of all trades and a young solid two way winger with decent but not superb potential for a guy you similarly compared to Glachneyuk?

Wennberg is good enough to play big enough minutes for a hard enough coach like Torts, I think he is good enough for Julien and our centerless Habs right now. Yeah sure he isn't having a great year this year but neither are guys like Foligno, Atkinson, Jenner. His faceoff % isn't great but he plays the position well. Rarely giving up the puck and more times than not takes the puck away from the opposing team. He's a true passing center that would benefit a guy like Pacioretty immensely or even Drouin or Galchenyuk for that matter.

Saying no to a trade like that is why the Habs are soooo weak at center as is. But hey if your waiting for guys like Tavares to be our savior, get ready to be disapointed because there is a good chance he isn't coming here and right now MTL has the weakest center lineup in the NHL.

If there is one truth from all this: Beggars can't be choosers. Right now the Habs are absolute beggars and should not be turning down quality centers who would be instantly the best center the Habs would have.


Wennberg to me is going to go down the exact same path as Galchenyuk in Montreal. He has the same flaws as a center and will be yet another experiment before being pushed to the wing. I don't want to see more half measures is all. Maybe if MB wasn't at the helm.
It's curious that Julien alluded to Galchenyuk at center, only to quash the idea the next day. Suggests to me that MB is the one pushing that agenda.
Jan. 20, 2018 at 1:14 p.m.
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Quoting: ricochetii
Wennberg to me is going to go down the exact same path as Galchenyuk in Montreal. He has the same flaws as a center and will be yet another experiment before being pushed to the wing. I don't want to see more half measures is all. Maybe if MB wasn't at the helm.
It's curious that Julien alluded to Galchenyuk at center, only to quash the idea the next day. Suggests to me that MB is the one pushing that agenda.


I'm not sure I agree with that either. Galchenyuk started off on the wing, finally moving to center before being placed back on the wing where he seems to be best suited. Wennberg waa drafted as a center, played center from the beginning in CLB and now is an established center. He's passed the test already. He is by no means a Bergeron but then again neither is Malkin but that doesn't stop him from being played there.

Galchenyuk is lazy and not aware enough for the center position. Let's not kid each other here. His offensive ability is what was able to put him ahead of others who were probably better at the position than he was. At the NHL level, you can't go simply on talent. There needs to be a minimum understanding of the position. Wennberg meets that requirement (at least in the coachs he's played for minds), Galchenyuk on the other hand might be playing in a system where the minimum requirement is higher than in other teams systems thus not quite making the cut. (Once again in Therrien, Julien and MB's minds at least)

I feel Wennberg is headier for the position than Galchenyuk which has led him to stay at the position and still be effective. Winning faceoffs is something both can get better at. Understanding the position is the key and Wennberg passes that grade albeit maybe not with flying colors but at least with a passing grade. Galchenyuk could get better but just not on this team. Wennberg would be a step up on Galchenyuk right now although talent wise many would argue Galchenyuk is a step up talent wise over Wennberg though.
Jan. 20, 2018 at 1:23 p.m.
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Columbus is fair enough but Wennberg is not good at faceoffs and shows no signs of improving. He's also sheltered, so I'd be concerned about his defensive ability, and whether he'd have any better chance of being a top 6 center than Galchenyuk. I wouldn't give up on Lehkonen yet if the return is another winger.

I'd probably take a chance on Bennett at that price. If he doesnt work out as a top 6C, at least he can provide similar production for a lower price.

Add a 1st from Carolina to the package.

Sheahan is not worth pursuing, especially at that price. Niemi isn't a good fit in Pittsburgh either. They waived him for a reason.


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I think I've officially found the comment I least agree with you on rico! Sticking Out Tongue

IMO Even if Wennberg isn't the best at faceoffs and isn't the best defensively, you wouldn't trade a bottom pairing dman, a 28 year old jack of all trades and a young solid two way winger with decent but not superb potential for a guy you similarly compared to Glachneyuk?

Wennberg is good enough to play big enough minutes for a hard enough coach like Torts, I think he is good enough for Julien and our centerless Habs right now. Yeah sure he isn't having a great year this year but neither are guys like Foligno, Atkinson, Jenner. His faceoff % isn't great but he plays the position well. Rarely giving up the puck and more times than not takes the puck away from the opposing team. He's a true passing center that would benefit a guy like Pacioretty immensely or even Drouin or Galchenyuk for that matter.

Saying no to a trade like that is why the Habs are soooo weak at center as is. But hey if your waiting for guys like Tavares to be our savior, get ready to be disapointed because there is a good chance he isn't coming here and right now MTL has the weakest center lineup in the NHL.

If there is one truth from all this: Beggars can't be choosers. Right now the Habs are absolute beggars and should not be turning down quality centers who would be instantly the best center the Habs would have.



Here’s the thing. BJ’s weakest position is center. They are looking to add one. So trading the best they have for wingers they don’t need makes zero sense for them.
Jan. 20, 2018 at 1:25 p.m.
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Here’s the thing. BJ’s weakest position is center. They are looking to add one. So trading the best they have for wingers they don’t need makes zero sense for them.


Yup I don't think this would happen but just going on the assumption this was offered to MTL from CLB is what I was basing the actual argument on.
Jan. 20, 2018 at 1:25 p.m.
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I'm not sure I agree with that either. Galchenyuk started off on the wing, finally moving to center before being placed back on the wing where he seems to be best suited. Wennberg waa drafted as a center, played center from the beginning in CLB and now is an established center. He's passed the test already. He is by no means a Bergeron but then again neither is Malkin but that doesn't stop him from being played there.

Galchenyuk is lazy and not aware enough for the center position. Let's not kid each other here. His offensive ability is what was able to put him ahead of others who were probably better at the position than he was. At the NHL level, you can't go simply on talent. There needs to be a minimum understanding of the position. Wennberg meets that requirement (at least in the coachs he's played for minds), Galchenyuk on the other hand might be playing in a system where the minimum requirement is higher than in other teams systems thus not quite making the cut. (Once again in Therrien, Julien and MB's minds at least)

I feel Wennberg is headier for the position than Galchenyuk which has led him to stay at the position and still be effective. Winning faceoffs is something both can get better at. Understanding the position is the key and Wennberg passes that grade albeit maybe not with flying colors but at least with a passing grade. Galchenyuk could get better but just not on this team. Wennberg would be a step up on Galchenyuk right now although talent wise many would argue Galchenyuk is a step up talent wise over Wennberg though.


If I could swap Lehkonen out with someone like Hudon I would do the Wennberg deal, I don't see why CBJ would though since they need centers as well.

But I'm kind of on @ricochetii side here, if we were to change places between Galchenyuk and Wennberg. Chucky would probably a center just like Wennberg for CBJ, where Torts can live with his defensive deficiencies by putting defensively sound wingers like Jenner, Dubinsky or Anderson and you would be saying Chucky passed the test. Where Wennberg would of been most likely moved to the wing in Julien system and Bergefail's team structure in MTL.
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Jan. 20, 2018 at 1:29 p.m.
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I'm not sure I agree with that either. Galchenyuk started off on the wing, finally moving to center before being placed back on the wing where he seems to be best suited. Wennberg waa drafted as a center, played center from the beginning in CLB and now is an established center. He's passed the test already. He is by no means a Bergeron but then again neither is Malkin but that doesn't stop him from being played there.

Galchenyuk is lazy and not aware enough for the center position. Let's not kid each other here. His offensive ability is what was able to put him ahead of others who were probably better at the position than he was. At the NHL level, you can't go simply on talent. There needs to be a minimum understanding of the position. Wennberg meets that requirement (at least in the coachs he's played for minds), Galchenyuk on the other hand might be playing in a system where the minimum requirement is higher than in other teams systems thus not quite making the cut. (Once again in Therrien, Julien and MB's minds at least)

I feel Wennberg is headier for the position than Galchenyuk which has led him to stay at the position and still be effective. Winning faceoffs is something both can get better at. Understanding the position is the key and Wennberg passes that grade albeit maybe not with flying colors but at least with a passing grade. Galchenyuk could get better but just not on this team. Wennberg would be a step up on Galchenyuk right now although talent wise many would argue Galchenyuk is a step up talent wise over Wennberg though.


Sorry that read a little wrong. I was saying Wennberg in Montreal is roughly equivalent to Galchenyuk in Montreal.
Wennberg could still be an effective center on practically any other team, despite his flaws, but I don't see him making the grade in Montreal.
Again, at least not under this management.
Jan. 20, 2018 at 1:33 p.m.
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If I could swap Lehkonen out with someone like Hudon I would do the Wennberg deal, I don't see why CBJ would though since they need centers as well.

But I'm kind of on @ricochetii side here, if we were to change places between Galchenyuk and Wennberg. Chucky would probably a center just like Wennberg for CBJ, where Torts can live with his defensive deficiencies by putting defensively sound wingers like Jenner, Dubinsky or Anderson and you would be saying Chucky passed the test. Where Wennberg would of been most likely moved to the wing in Julien system and Bergefail's team structure in MTL.


Go look at Torts style centers over the years. I think you are misguided in what he generally looks for in them. He's a more "complete player" type guy than a "offensive ability" type. Plus we are speaking as of right now. Had Wennberg been drafted my MTL he'd of been a winger possibly. Just as Galchenyuk would of been more so a center elsewhere. Those developmental years are what molded the players we have today.
Jan. 20, 2018 at 1:35 p.m.
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Sorry that read a little wrong. I was saying Wennberg in Montreal is roughly equivalent to Galchenyuk in Montreal.
Wennberg could still be an effective center on practically any other team, despite his flaws, but I don't see him making the grade in Montreal.
Again, at least not under this management.


Ahh yeah I can somewhat agree with that. I'm getting a little ahead if myself. I'm assuming this management won't be here next year. At least not MB anyway. Sticking Out Tongue

Julien given more normal standards from management would do wonders with Wennberg IMO. Similar to what he did with Krejci.
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Jan. 20, 2018 at 2:09 p.m.
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Go look at Torts style centers over the years. I think you are misguided in what he generally looks for in them. He's a more "complete player" type guy than a "offensive ability" type. Plus we are speaking as of right now. Had Wennberg been drafted my MTL he'd of been a winger possibly. Just as Galchenyuk would of been more so a center elsewhere. Those developmental years are what molded the players we have today.


Than why does Torts prefer Wennberg at Center and Jenner on his wing and not the other way around if what you're saying is true? I think you're misguided on Torts, sure he's a hard a$$, but him liking "more complete players" is more a reflection on what all coaches want. He plays Wennberg at Center because that's where he's best suited, defensive liability be damned. When you think about it, Torts has always been for playing the younger more talented players over the more "complete" guys as you say. He did it in Tampa with Lecavalier and St-louis when they won the cup, playing them over team captain Andreychuk. He did it with the Rangers. and he's doing it now with CBJ when he was playing Werenski and Jones over guys like Johnson last year. and look how that's paid off.
Jan. 20, 2018 at 5:33 p.m.
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Than why does Torts prefer Wennberg at Center and Jenner on his wing and not the other way around if what you're saying is true? I think you're misguided on Torts, sure he's a hard a$$, but him liking "more complete players" is more a reflection on what all coaches want. He plays Wennberg at Center because that's where he's best suited, defensive liability be damned. When you think about it, Torts has always been for playing the younger more talented players over the more "complete" guys as you say. He did it in Tampa with Lecavalier and St-louis when they won the cup, playing them over team captain Andreychuk. He did it with the Rangers. and he's doing it now with CBJ when he was playing Werenski and Jones over guys like Johnson last year. and look how that's paid off.


Im not comparing wingers to centers here. In my mind Galchenyuk and Wennberg are both centers. Galchenyuk has been groomed for the winger position for a while now, hard not to fit that mold now but had he been somewhere else to start his career, he'd be a center. Just not a great one defensively IMO.

Not sure what the Andreychuck comparison has anything to do with? Andreychuck was 40 years old when TB went to the cup and isn't even a center, Lecavalier was and he and St Louis were both in their primes at the time. Same goes for in NYR, Richards again, solid two way guy, Stepan a solid two way guys. etc etc. Obviously being talented offensively is a more important attribute than being talented defensively but one cannot get to the highest rank without being being at the very least decent in both. Wennberg's d-game is clearly not abd enough for them. Why would it be bad enough for the team that deployed Drouin who was never really a center ot begin with.

As for Jenner, he wasn't playing significant center minutes even before Torts came along so its not just because Torts was there. Jenner is more his type of "character" not type of player. Jenner is a hitter and energy guy first and foremost, not something suited for being a top centerman.

Plus this isn't a talent vs defensive ability debate here. Top line centers need to be able to produce offense as well as they do defense. There are no more 1 dimensional players in those positions anymore with the exception of guys like Malkin whose ability is so great it covers the defensive ineptitude.

Regardless though of whether you believe me or not, does not matter. Thats to each there own. But to turn down a deal like that where no major parts of our core are being lost and we are gaining a 23 year old natural centerman whose put up 59 points last year, is 6'2 and plays well for a hard coach like Torts? ......I dunno guys, I feel like we're being real picky with our choices here. An option like that rarely ever comes available. Need to take it when you can. Especially in a rebuild.
Jan. 20, 2018 at 6:47 p.m.
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Im not comparing wingers to centers here. In my mind Galchenyuk and Wennberg are both centers. Galchenyuk has been groomed for the winger position for a while now, hard not to fit that mold now but had he been somewhere else to start his career, he'd be a center. Just not a great one defensively IMO.

Not sure what the Andreychuck comparison has anything to do with? Andreychuck was 40 years old when TB went to the cup and isn't even a center, Lecavalier was and he and St Louis were both in their primes at the time. Same goes for in NYR, Richards again, solid two way guy, Stepan a solid two way guys. etc etc. Obviously being talented offensively is a more important attribute than being talented defensively but one cannot get to the highest rank without being being at the very least decent in both. Wennberg's d-game is clearly not abd enough for them. Why would it be bad enough for the team that deployed Drouin who was never really a center ot begin with.

As for Jenner, he wasn't playing significant center minutes even before Torts came along so its not just because Torts was there. Jenner is more his type of "character" not type of player. Jenner is a hitter and energy guy first and foremost, not something suited for being a top centerman.

Plus this isn't a talent vs defensive ability debate here. Top line centers need to be able to produce offense as well as they do defense. There are no more 1 dimensional players in those positions anymore with the exception of guys like Malkin whose ability is so great it covers the defensive ineptitude.

Regardless though of whether you believe me or not, does not matter. Thats to each there own. But to turn down a deal like that where no major parts of our core are being lost and we are gaining a 23 year old natural centerman whose put up 59 points last year, is 6'2 and plays well for a hard coach like Torts? ......I dunno guys, I feel like we're being real picky with our choices here. An option like that rarely ever comes available. Need to take it when you can. Especially in a rebuild.


I agree with you about getting Wennberg, I wrote in my first comment that I would do the trade, just didn't see why CBJ would do it.

and the Torts comment weren't specific towards center positions, that's why I also brought up Werenski and Jones, it's that Torts has always been inclined to use his younger more talented players and live with their mistakes, than going for the more complete players. You bring up Stepan, but he wasn't the two-way center he is today when he started it out with the rangers. Point I'm trying to make is that as hard as you make Torts wanting "complete" players, he always leans more towards skill. MTL is almost the complete opposite. how many time have we seen Plekanec be favored over Chucky over the years when they both played Center, even now when Drouin was getting a shot. MTL for some reason favor the "complete" guys over the skill guys, and i think that's the reason why players like Galchenyuk and Drouin struggle, and guys like Gallagher thrive. It's hard to develop 2way centers (or forwards in general) when you never let you're skilled guys take defensive responsibilities every once and a while. look at Chucky's advanced stats, he almost exclusively starts in the offensive zone, throughout almost every season, so is it really Galchenyuks fault for being terrible defensively, or is it more the Habs just never actually trying to develop his defensive game. and what scares me the most is they are starting to do the same to Drouin, regardless if he's a C or LW, he's almost only getting offensive zone starts...

Lastly, Lecavalier was my favorite player growing up. I had poster of him, a signed jersey, the whole nine yards lol He was only 23 when he won the cup. sure he was an offensive dynamo, but during his first playoffs (year before they won) "complete" and consistent 20 goal scorer Andreychuk was favored over Lecavalier. they lost to New jersey in the second round. the year after Torts set Lecavalier loose in the playoffs on a line with Fedotenko (can't believe I remember him lol). that's the only reason I brought up Andreychuk , when Tampa won the cup Torts finally used Lecavalier more than their complete defensive captain, unlike the previous year. and Lecavalier always sucked defensively haha
 
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