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Is your team interested in Carey Price? At what cost?

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Team: 2017-18 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 22, 2018
Published: Jan. 22, 2018
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What's the haul for a 30 yr old goalie set to start a 8 yr / 10.5M$ cap hit contract (if any!)?
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24$75,000,000$62,248,809$0$182,500$12,751,191
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$1,166,667$1,166,667
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
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$4,900,000$4,900,000
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$4,050,000$4,050,000
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
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UFA - 1
$3,750,000$3,750,000
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$650,000$650,000
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$912,500$912,500
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$839,166$839,166
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$725,000$725,000
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$775,000$775,000
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Jan. 22, 2018 at 9:06 a.m.
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Firstly, Blues will take him as long as MTL retains at least 3 mil of his salary and give up Allen. Let's negotiate from there
Jan. 22, 2018 at 9:40 a.m.
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CAR: Price (3mill retained) and Galchenyuk for Darling, Gaulthier, Bean, Necas
Jan. 22, 2018 at 10:10 a.m.
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Retaining $3M of salary is too much.
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Jan. 22, 2018 at 10:11 a.m.
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Quoting: The_Architect
CAR: Price (3mill retained) and Galchenyuk for Darling, Gaulthier, Bean, Necas


Darling and Gauthier I can see. Even Bean to a certain extent, but Necas also? I know Galchenyuk is coming back but not sure that he is needed. Id wait and see what Necas could do first
Jan. 22, 2018 at 10:12 a.m.
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Retaining $3M of salary is too much.


Then you better give up a few picks or Scherbak or someone. 10.5 for a goalie is too much even if it is Carey Price
Jan. 22, 2018 at 10:15 a.m.
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Quoting: The_Architect
CAR: Price (3mill retained) and Galchenyuk for Darling, Gaulthier, Bean, Necas


Montreal is potentially giving up the 2 best players in this deal? I would look elsewhere if that's all you can get from Carolina for Price and Galchenyuk.
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Jan. 22, 2018 at 10:16 a.m.
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He is probably the most immovable contract in the league unless you start serious retention.
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Jan. 22, 2018 at 10:38 a.m.
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Then you better give up a few picks or Scherbak or someone. 10.5 for a goalie is too much even if it is Carey Price


Price at $7.5M would be paid less than Lunqvist and basically the same as Bobrovski, despite being better than both (or on par with Bob). And with the cap going up, contracts for elite goalies won't be much cheaper than $10.5M (one or two million maybe). I'd rather keep Price at $10.5M than retain for 8 years and have a salary cap $3M lower than everybody else. What's the point of selling off? Price's presence doesn't jeopardize our chance of drafting high. Have you seen our team this year? He's played well since coming back from injury and our results are still garbage.
Jan. 22, 2018 at 10:42 a.m.
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Montreal is potentially giving up the 2 best players in this deal? I would look elsewhere if that's all you can get from Carolina for Price and Galchenyuk.


If that's the case then I'll definetly take more if I can shake Francis.

But when scouting reports say Bean is gonna be better than the current D on CAR'S top 6, when Gaulthier is compared to Rick Nash (younger version) and Necas' stock went up since he finished top scorer at the WJCH, I'd imagine it would be hard to get much more. I'd love to nab Mckewon though, or Nick Roy.
Jan. 22, 2018 at 10:52 a.m.
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He is probably the most immovable contract in the league unless you start serious retention.


You clearly underestimate the stupidity of some NHL GMs....
Jan. 22, 2018 at 10:53 a.m.
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Quoting: Campa96
Price at $7.5M would be paid less than Lunqvist and basically the same as Bobrovski, despite being better than both (or on par with Bob). And with the cap going up, contracts for elite goalies won't be much cheaper than $10.5M (one or two million maybe). I'd rather keep Price at $10.5M than retain for 8 years and have a salary cap $3M lower than everybody else. What's the point of selling off? Price's presence doesn't jeopardize our chance of drafting high. Have you seen our team this year? He's played well since coming back from injury and our results are still garbage.


Ya but why keep the best goalie in the world, when by the time the Habs are considered cup contenders he's gonna be old and broken? Might as well give him to a team who's 1-2 pieces away from being a true threat.

And since the cap goes up every year, then 3 mill will eventually be chumchange. I also don't believe you need an elite goalie to win a cup.

Montreal sucks at developing players, but they can actually develop goalies. It's not out of this realm to pull a PIT and TB and give a cap friendly 6 yr contract of 2.5-3.5 mill to Lindgen, like they did for Murray and Vasilevski
Jan. 22, 2018 at 10:55 a.m.
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Quoting: The_Architect
If that's the case then I'll definetly take more if I can shake Francis.

But when scouting reports say Bean is gonna be better than the current D on CAR'S top 6, when Gaulthier is compared to Rick Nash (younger version) and Necas' stock went up since he finished top scorer at the WJCH, I'd imagine it would be hard to get much more. I'd love to nab Mckewon though, or Nick Roy.


Maybe I just don't know enough about Carolina prospects. Haven't heard much about Gauthier since his draft, or anything about Necas. Some picks in Timmins hands would be nice too, if we clear house in our AHL coaching staff.
Jan. 22, 2018 at 10:57 a.m.
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Teams are not going to give up much for a 30 year old goalie who hasn't even started the contract.

It is so freaking hilarious that montreal wants out of this contract before it starts.

Montreal will need to take back bad contracts and/or retain salary to get anything of value.
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Jan. 22, 2018 at 10:58 a.m.
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Quoting: Campa96
Price at $7.5M would be paid less than Lunqvist and basically the same as Bobrovski, despite being better than both (or on par with Bob). And with the cap going up, contracts for elite goalies won't be much cheaper than $10.5M (one or two million maybe). I'd rather keep Price at $10.5M than retain for 8 years and have a salary cap $3M lower than everybody else. What's the point of selling off? Price's presence doesn't jeopardize our chance of drafting high. Have you seen our team this year? He's played well since coming back from injury and our results are still garbage.


how old were those 2 when they got their contracts?
Jan. 22, 2018 at 11:02 a.m.
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Ya but why keep the best goalie in the world, when by the time the Habs are considered cup contenders he's gonna be old and broken? Might as well give him to a team who's 1-2 pieces away from being a true threat.

And since the cap goes up every year, then 3 mill will eventually be chumchange. I also don't believe you need an elite goalie to win a cup.

Montreal sucks at developing players, but they can actually develop goalies. It's not out of this realm to pull a PIT and TB and give a cap friendly 6 yr contract of 2.5-3.5 mill to Lindgen, like they did for Murray and Vasilevski


I agree with you, but $3M for 8 years is not chump change. It's gonna become less and less as the cap goes up, but it's still a big disadvantage. No team right now has that much dead money for so many years. Montreal should trade him only if the deal is right, not take a bad deal just for the sake of getting rid of him, sice, as I said, his presence doesn't exclude the possibility to rebuild. People like to say that you don't need an elite goalie to win (and I agree with that), but the opposite is also not true: you don't need a mediocre goalie to be a bottom-dweller, if the team in front of you is bad.
Jan. 22, 2018 at 11:02 a.m.
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Teams are not going to give up much for a 30 year old goalie who hasn't even started the contract.

It is so freaking hilarious that montreal wants out of this contract before it starts.

Montreal will need to take back bad contracts and/or retain salary to get anything of value.


A good chunk of MTL fans hated the extension the moment it was announced.
Jan. 22, 2018 at 11:08 a.m.
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I agree with you, but $3M for 8 years is not cump change. It's gonna become less and less as the cap goes up, but it's still a big disadvantage. No team right now has that much dead money for so many years. Montreal should trade him only if the deal is right, not take a bad deal just for the sake of getting rid of him, sice, as I said, his presence doesn't exclude the possibility to rebuild. People like to say that you don't need an elite goalie to win (and I agree with that), but the opposite is also not true: you don't need a mediocre goalie to be a bottom-dweller, if the team in front of you is bad.


If Price gets the indication that there's a rebuild he'll probably want out a la Roy IMO. Which is bad only cause if the rest of the GMs get a sniff of his demand, MTL is gonna get fleeced
Jan. 22, 2018 at 11:08 a.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
how old were those 2 when they got their contracts?


Lundqvist was 32 at the time (older than Price) and signed for 12.3% of the total cap. Price will be 31 and signed for 13.4% of a $78M cap

Bob was 27, but I'm ready to bet he's gonna sign a long, more expensive contract next off-season, when he is 31.
Jan. 22, 2018 at 11:10 a.m.
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If Price gets the indication that there's a rebuild he'll probably want out a la Roy IMO. Which is bad only cause if the rest of the GMs get a sniff of his demand, MTL is gonna get fleeced


I don't know. I'd like that because he would at least give us a chance of moving him, while today his NMC makes it literally impossible, but to me he seems like a dude who values stability for him and his family more than winning.
Jan. 22, 2018 at 12:32 p.m.
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Price at $7.5M would be paid less than Lunqvist and basically the same as Bobrovski, despite being better than both (or on par with Bob). And with the cap going up, contracts for elite goalies won't be much cheaper than $10.5M (one or two million maybe). I'd rather keep Price at $10.5M than retain for 8 years and have a salary cap $3M lower than everybody else. What's the point of selling off? Price's presence doesn't jeopardize our chance of drafting high. Have you seen our team this year? He's played well since coming back from injury and our results are still garbage.


You're actually making the argument against yourself. Since Lundqvist, Bobrovsky, Holtby, Rask all go these gigantic salaries, they haven't won the cup. So why should any team take on his cap hit if it may or may not help the team? He's still going to get laid the money regardless, just not all coming from the team taking his salary on. It works out for both clubs. One team gets a goalie who may help their own cause, the other clears cap space even at 3 mil retention
Jan. 22, 2018 at 12:32 p.m.
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Firstly, Blues will take him as long as MTL retains at least 3 mil of his salary and give up Allen. Let's negotiate from there


I would do this trade. I really like Carey both as a person away from the rink and on the ice and the dressing room. As much I like him, the last 3 years of this contract is going to really hurt the habs. Jake Allan is a good tendy and of good character. So I would make this trade. This would free up MTL on cap to go get a C.
Jan. 22, 2018 at 12:37 p.m.
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I would do this trade. I really like Carey both as a person away from the rink and on the ice and the dressing room. As much I like him, the last 3 years of this contract is going to really hurt the habs. Jake Allan is a good tendy and of good character. So I would make this trade. This would free up MTL on cap to go get a C.


Blues do this deal. Sign it and let's swap goalies. Even with the retention, Montreal saves 3 mil in the long run
Jan. 22, 2018 at 12:46 p.m.
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Blues do this deal. Sign it and let's swap goalies. Even with the retention, Montreal saves 3 mil in the long run


It is gutsy. A $3M cap hit for next 8 yrs is not enjoyable either. No different than other teams still paying for Kessel, Lecavalier, Dipietro, Luongo, Girardi, just to name those contracts. To be honest, I am having cold feet. Might need to add a player or pick or lower to $2 M retained. LOL
Jan. 22, 2018 at 12:54 p.m.
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I would do this trade. I really like Carey both as a person away from the rink and on the ice and the dressing room. As much I like him, the last 3 years of this contract is going to really hurt the habs.


Two words: compliance buyout.
Jan. 22, 2018 at 1:02 p.m.
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It is gutsy. A $3M cap hit for next 8 yrs is not enjoyable either. No different than other teams still paying for Kessel, Lecavalier, Dipietro, Luongo, Girardi, just to name those contracts. To be honest, I am having cold feet. Might need to add a player or pick or lower to $2 M retained. LOL


Add Jaskin to it. Young guy who won't get the opportunity with the Blues even though he should. Thanks Alex Steen
 
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