I was honestly considering doing a 3 way deal with NYI to swap Allen for Halak.
Thought maybe Halak and a 1st or Halak and Bellows.

It is all rumors and will probably never happen but I think it really allows MTL to rebuild very quickly getting very good young players that are ready or very close to NHL ready as well as having a chance at Dahlin. With all those 2nd round picks you could easily move up in draft and or use them to gain solid players.
While giving the Blues the best possible chance to win this year with the best goalie.

Yeah i just figured to give Allen to a team that is in need of a good goalie, since we're rebuilding.

I have a hard time seeing Allen as an upgrade over Halak... at least not much of an upgrade. I doubt NYI gives up two really good draft picks for a marginal upgrade. Compare stats all you want, Allen has been playing on a much better team than Halak. Stats-wise, their save% are very similar, but Halak GAA is much higher. I'm not saying NYI wouldn't do a Halak/Allen swipe, they just wouldn't cough up a 1st AND a 2nd.

Maybe not, but Allen is younger and on a pretty good contract. Halak is about to expire and NYI will most likely keep Griess over him, so getting Allen would be a bigger "upgrade" considering the cap and contract situation and age.

I like it.

Fair enough, i didn't over think it really. The goal was to acquire Allen in the Price trade and then move him this year to get even more picks or prospects back. Halak was just the easy choice but there are other teams that it could work for.

Would make sense for both sides, and would make for a very fun central division race.

From this Blues fan, take Thompson over Thomas. Also, if this happened it would happen at the draft when we know what the cap will look like for next season

Although a fair point, doing the deal at the deadline gives the Blues 2 Cup runs with Pacioretty on his very low cap. IF you win 1 or 2 Cups, do you really care if your capped out for a few seasons?

Also, Thomas is probably the main target of that trade for Montreal, we need a center badly. I could see them swapping out other parts of that trade, but not Thomas.

I just made an AGM where the Blues acquire Nugent-Hopkins first then trades for Price. If I had more time (instead of working) I'd continue to work on it

I think Plekanec at 50% retention still gets Habs Pens low 1st round pick. Pens need a shutdown center, and Plekanec is one of the best in the league at that role. I think people undervalue him due to his lack of finish in his older age.

I saw that, and I would prefer this deal. That's just my opinion though, as I don't want Nuge as our #1. Not a bad idea from what I saw by any means.

Good except know we are the team with no goalie

I'm on board with that in a rebuild. I just think a 2nd is enough in that deal.

I think 2nd is under valuing him. Look up guys like Talbot, Schneider, Jones, etc and what they cost. Allen isn't quite on those guys level but he isn't that far of either.

closest goalie transaction I could find involving a goalie similar to Jake Allen would be Antti Raanta & Derek Stephan from NYR to ARZ for Anthony DeAngelo & a 1st Rd Pick 2017 (7th overall).

I read that as two 1st round picks for Stepan & Raanta. A 1st for Stepan isn't enough, and a 1st for Raanta was too much.

Hey next time do a "@f50marco" at the beginning of your post, so i know you responded to me.

Fair enough, but I would argue that you are picking a goalie that has very little experience. Allen has played a lot more than Raanta has and is also younger....
So even though Raanta returned Deangelo in a sense which you considered a 2nd rounder, plus was a ufa at years end this year is value is quite a bit less than Allens is. Whose signed longer in term, at a very affordable cap hit, younger, more experience, etc.

Allen does not = Raanta. So if Rantta was worth a 2nd is your eyes. Allen is easily a late 1st. Throw in Halak who comes off the Isles books as a cap dump, giving them enough space to actully be able to take on Allen and an additional 2nd isn't that big a price if you ask me.

Either way maybe its less, maybe it isn't. I really wasn't over thinking it. But judging how much certain players costed in trades before him and taking everything into account, I don't think im that far off. Plus I think NYI demand right now for a capable goalie is sky high.

@MONSTER1974 @F50marco I'd look at the Brian Elliott trade too. One year of Ells was worth pick #35 to CGY. He was coming off an amazing year, but all things considered, he was never at the 'starter status' that Allen has reached; he was a 1B at best. If the Habs traded for Allen (unlikely) they could easily play him until his numbers return closer to his career averages, and I'd think he'd be worth at least a first and probably more.

True but the reason i didn't use him was that he was also older and 1 year left before being a UFA. Allen at 27 is still in his prime at least and not a free agent at years end.

yep, Allen is worth more. We're on the same page. We're totally on the same page haha.

Does my offer seem fair in your mind? You'd now better than I. kind of just winged it based on what I've seen in the past.

I like this without the 2nd round pick included. I could handle losing a 1st, Robert Thomas (2017 1st), Robby Fabbri (2015 1st) and Jordan Schmaltz (2012 1st).

Carey Price's contract has such a risky back-end - this would be much different if he were in his mid 20's, from my point of view.

I think 4 1sts is a reasonable offer for a goalie you have to pay 10 mil at age 37, 38, 39.

As a Blues fan, I really don't want to make this trade even as I just wrote it. Best goalie in the world but leaves huge holes in our prospect pipeline.

Yeah, I'm with you that taking Halak would be a favor (although is contract expires so it's more just to make the trade work - regardless, he doesn't hold much value) so a late 1st and 2nd is reasonable IMO. With Jake, the biggest problem has been consistency, but you can see by his body language, etc. when he's on his game and he really dominates. I'm sure he'll come back around, hopefully the timing is right

Edit: If you're talking about the Price + Patches trade let's see: It seems fair, def slanted toward the Blues if that $3M is retained for the 8-yr extension. Hard to say with these huge blockbusters though.

lol no i was talking bout the Allen to NYI idea. The STL deal would never happen. Wayyyy too many moving parts here that makes it virtually impossible to do.. Its just fun to think about though.

lol no i was talking bout the Allen to NYI idea. The STL deal would never happen. Wayyyy too many moving parts here that makes it virtually impossible to do.. Its just fun to think about though.