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If Price must be traded

Created by: Bmersereau73
Team: 2017-18 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 26, 2018
Published: Jan. 26, 2018
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This is what I would do for a price trade, I also traded for Carter Hart because I think he is the goalie of the future and could be the next Carey Price. I don't want to trade Price, but if it had to be done this is what I'd do.
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25$75,000,000$63,190,474$0$607,500$11,809,526
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$4,050,000$4,050,000
LW
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, C
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 6
$4,900,000$4,900,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 3
$839,166$839,166
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$1,166,667$1,166,667
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$912,500$912,500
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$650,000$650,000
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$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$3,000,000$3,000,000
C
UFA - 1
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$925,000$925,000
RW
RFA - 4
$725,000$725,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$748,333$748,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
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$7,857,143$7,857,143
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
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$761,666$761,666
G
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$925,000$925,000
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
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$700,000$700,000
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Jan. 26, 2018 at 10:39 p.m.
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love it but i wouldn't want to trade price
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Jan. 26, 2018 at 10:41 p.m.
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You can't say that you think Hart is gonna be the next Price, and then genuinely think you can trade scraps for him? He's probably the best goalie prospect we've ever had. Unless you're giving us Gally and Patches +, no way. Awful trade.
Jan. 26, 2018 at 10:42 p.m.
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Quoting: habs_fan123
love it but i wouldn't want to trade price


Same here, but if worse comes to worse I believe this is the best Montreal could do in a bad situation but I want them to hold on to Price, and if that's what he wants, they owe it to him
Jan. 26, 2018 at 10:43 p.m.
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Quoting: epo
You can't say that you think Hart is gonna be the next Price, and then genuinely think you can trade scraps for him? He's probably the best goalie prospect we've ever had. Unless you're giving us Gally and Patches +, no way. Awful trade.


Ha ha ha ha ha, You think Hart is worth Gally plus Patches? Ya I might have under payed a bit but Giroux isn't even worth that.
Jan. 26, 2018 at 10:47 p.m.
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Ha ha ha ha ha, You think Hart is worth Gally plus Patches? Ya I might have under payed a bit but Giroux isn't even worth that.


That's my point. You'd have to overpay to pry him from us. He's our future #1 goalie. You paid scraps to get him.
Jan. 26, 2018 at 10:52 p.m.
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You know... Lindgren is a proven starter so maybe

Price + second for Drai and Nurse?

Just fantasising at this point
Jan. 26, 2018 at 11:33 p.m.
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Quoting: epo
That's my point. You'd have to overpay to pry him from us. He's our future #1 goalie. You paid scraps to get him.


Nobody is a future number 1 goalie. Only a potential starter. Goaltending is the hardest position to scout. They take longer to develop and are high risk.

Of 27 1st round goaltenders, 14 were complete busts. If there's a 50% failure rate in the first round, that doesn't bode well for any other goaltender.

Bottom line is that goalies are never a sure thing and often take around 5 years to even take on a backup role.

Hart may very well be an elite goaltender someday, but temper those expectations. Stolarz was looking like a hopeful as well before he tore his miniscus. I'd put my hope on him coming back at 100% because he's shown some next level ability, before I'd place any great level of confidence in Hart.
Jan. 26, 2018 at 11:56 p.m.
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Quoting: Kai_murray
You know... Lindgren is a proven starter so maybe

Price + second for Drai and Nurse?

Just fantasising at this point


No offense, but that’s Just not happening.. the best thing the Oilers could do is curve that contract as of now, Price is getting paid that till he’s 38, why put quality assets for something that’s a luxury but we just don’t “need” and might end us in the future?
Jan. 26, 2018 at 11:58 p.m.
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Lindgren hasn't proven anything yet....as for that earlier post of saying MaGuire is American...he has dual citizenship...grew up in Montreal thru the 70s
Jan. 27, 2018 at 12:07 a.m.
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Quoting: ricochetii
Nobody is a future number 1 goalie. Only a potential starter. Goaltending is the hardest position to scout. They take longer to develop and are high risk.

Of 27 1st round goaltenders, 14 were complete busts. If there's a 50% failure rate in the first round, that doesn't bode well for any other goaltender.

Bottom line is that goalies are never a sure thing and often take around 5 years to even take on a backup role.

Hart may very well be an elite goaltender someday, but temper those expectations. Stolarz was looking like a hopeful as well before he tore his miniscus. I'd put my hope on him coming back at 100% because he's shown some next level ability, before I'd place any great level of confidence in Hart.


Trust me, as a Flyers fan who has never seen a true #1 goaltender with them, I'm aware to temper the expectations. At the same time, Hart is simply too valuable for us to move unless we get an overpayment back.
Jan. 27, 2018 at 12:33 a.m.
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Quoting: epo
You can't say that you think Hart is gonna be the next Price, and then genuinely think you can trade scraps for him? He's probably the best goalie prospect we've ever had. Unless you're giving us Gally and Patches +, no way. Awful trade.




Quoting: Bmersereau73
Ha ha ha ha ha, You think Hart is worth Gally plus Patches? Ya I might have under payed a bit but Giroux isn't even worth that.


If Hart is worth that then send the caps drouin patches and chuck for samsonov hahah
Jan. 27, 2018 at 12:40 a.m.
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Quoting: epo
Trust me, as a Flyers fan who has never seen a true #1 goaltender with them, I'm aware to temper the expectations. At the same time, Hart is simply too valuable for us to move unless we get an overpayment back.


Pacioretty and Gallagher though? At least be realistic.
There are prospects that a team simply will not trade, and it's one thing for Hart to be on an internal no-trade list, but quite another to say that would be what it takes.
At best, you'd get a prospect swap with a higher draft position, or more value in picks than it took to draft him.

Montreal could offer Lindgren and it would be a done deal, for example. It gives them a potential starter immediately, if they've ruled out Stolarz, or in tandem with him, rather than waiting on a hopeful solution. Makes sense for Montreal, because another good goaltending prospect might be needed in 4 or 5 years when they start the search for their next starter. While Lindgren is stuck behind Price here.
Jan. 27, 2018 at 12:49 a.m.
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Quoting: ricochetii
Pacioretty and Gallagher though? At least be realistic.
There are prospects that a team simply will not trade, and it's one thing for Hart to be on an internal no-trade list, but quite another to say that would be what it takes.
At best, you'd get a prospect swap with a higher draft position, or more value in picks than it took to draft him.

Montreal could offer Lindgren and it would be a done deal, for example. It gives them a potential starter immediately, if they've ruled out Stolarz, or in tandem with him, rather than waiting on a hopeful solution. Makes sense for Montreal, because another good goaltending prospect might be needed in 4 or 5 years when they start the search for their next starter. While Lindgren is stuck behind Price here.


I was intentionally giving an enormous price. My point is that he's absolutely untouchable unless we get an absurd amount back - no way would we trade him in a one-for-one to Lindgren.
Jan. 27, 2018 at 1:33 a.m.
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I was intentionally giving an enormous price. My point is that he's absolutely untouchable unless we get an absurd amount back - no way would we trade him in a one-for-one to Lindgren.


That's what I mean. If he's "no-trade", it's more reasonable to say that.
Realistically, there's a price that a real GM would consider. I was just giving an example with Lindgren, but it is a logical and reasonable trade to make, and there are many similar scenarios and values that would be readily accepted.
Jan. 27, 2018 at 1:36 a.m.
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Agree, I don't see any trade for Hart that makes sense. In all honesty that's fine the habs already have there goalie in Lindgren and lots of young talent for the future in McNiven, Primeau, Fucale, and Hawkey.. plus I'm sure in any price trade they would get a goalie back who could help Lindgren make the adjustment to the starting role in the big league.

I think the position of goaltender is vastly overrated.. Yeah Price is elite (or was elite back in 2014-15 before injury anyways), but he isn't worth $10.5M I would trade that for a $4M goalie any day and use the $6.5M elsewhere (a #1C maybe?)
Jan. 27, 2018 at 2:12 a.m.
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Agree, I don't see any trade for Hart that makes sense. In all honesty that's fine the habs already have there goalie in Lindgren and lots of young talent for the future in McNiven, Primeau, Fucale, and Hawkey.. plus I'm sure in any price trade they would get a goalie back who could help Lindgren make the adjustment to the starting role in the big league.

I think the position of goaltender is vastly overrated.. Yeah Price is elite (or was elite back in 2014-15 before injury anyways), but he isn't worth $10.5M I would trade that for a $4M goalie any day and use the $6.5M elsewhere (a #1C maybe?)


A valid stance, but we also know that $4M goaltending can be detrimental as well. There's a sweet spot in the middle somewhere.
Price may even have clocked in a little cheaper, and this current contract would end 2 years sooner, if it weren't for his bridge deal.
I don't think anyone would even blink if he was at $9M until he was 36 years old.

The key factor, is in the playoffs, when a goaltender has the ability to completely steal, or turn a series around. Sometimes you need that, and the best goaltenders are more likely to make it happen.
Over $10M is a precedent for goalies, so we'll have to see how it pans out and whether it becomes standard, but it's generally not a good idea to cheap out on the one guy that is on the ice for the full 60 minutes doing the most difficult job.
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