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Sweeney/Francis/Sakic 3 biggest tightwads in the league... this will never happe

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Team: 2017-18 Boston Bruins
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Published: Jan. 27, 2018
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I feel Boston gives the most, but they are making a push for the cup so it makes sense, plus Kerfoot and Hanifin are long term investments which also makes sense. Francis can say what he wants, but he is upgrading his struggling defense in this trade and coming ahead with a top prospect on RW. COL is getting the big RHD they've been looking for but downgrading to do so, so they are compensated with a 1st round draft pick. Sakic might need a little more to make this work, but Boston is making a run and will need Bjork & Cehlarik for depth going into the playoffs, so I'm not sure what that leaves us to put on the table. JFK and Blidh are also on the no go list...
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Jan. 27, 2018 at 10:40 a.m.
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no reason at all for this trade to be made.
Jan. 27, 2018 at 10:44 a.m.
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Avs come out like bandits, terrible for Carolina.
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Jan. 27, 2018 at 10:48 a.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
no reason at all for this trade to be made.


Not for Colorado... They'd in essence be helping Boston and Carolina; the only incentive is that Sakic has his eye on Carlo, but that is a small drop in the bucket to pull off something of this magnitude. Trying to find the motivation to make this appealing to Sakic, but I'm missing something. I feel like there is something there, and I'm just not seeing it.
Jan. 27, 2018 at 10:50 a.m.
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Avs come out like bandits, terrible for Carolina.


How do you figure? Not saying you're wrong. I just don't see it your way. Barrie/Nemeth would be an upgrade to Slavin/Hanifin (statistically) and they're walking away with a top prospect to boot.
Jan. 27, 2018 at 10:57 a.m.
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How do you figure? Not saying you're wrong. I just don't see it your way. Barrie/Nemeth would be an upgrade to Slavin/Hanifin (statistically) and they're walking away with a top prospect to boot.


Slavin > Barrie, Hanifin >>>>> Nemeth, so yeah that's how I figured Carolina is robbed here. Plus, they'd lose BOTH of their top 4 LHD with this, which leaves Haydn Fleury as their top LHD. Senyshyn is a good prospect but not s blue chipper.
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Jan. 27, 2018 at 11:21 a.m.
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Slavin > Barrie, Hanifin >>>>> Nemeth, so yeah that's how I figured Carolina is robbed here. Plus, they'd lose BOTH of their top 4 LHD with this, which leaves Haydn Fleury as their top LHD. Senyshyn is a good prospect but not s blue chipper.


You are off... you're not even comparing the right defensemen... Barrie has more points in less games than Hanifin... Hanifin has almost double the GvA and both register 1.0 BkS/g Hanifin does have double the TkA and double the Hits/g which tells me Barrie is a considerably more offensive defensman than Hanifin and Hanifin is more defensive, and considering they are both offensive defensemen I go with the better offensive defenseman. edge goes to Barrie (easily)

Nemeth and Slavin Both have virtually the same number of points. The big difference is Nemeth is a +17 where Slavin is a -13. Slavin only averages .5 Hits/g where Nemeth averages .9 Hits/g. Slavin averages 2.2 BkS/g where Nemeth averages 3.0 BkS/g. And GvA Nemeth only has 13 while Slavin has 27. edge Nemeth (easily)

Barrie>Hanifin
Nemeth>Slavin

...check
Jan. 27, 2018 at 11:40 a.m.
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If this happens Ron Francis gets fired immediately.
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Jan. 27, 2018 at 11:46 a.m.
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If this happens Ron Francis gets fired immediately.


I'm surprised he's lasted 4 years; he's done nothing to better the organization...
Jan. 27, 2018 at 12:58 p.m.
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Carolina with a hard pass and probably a middle finger. Terrible for them. Most GM’s would prefer either D man they are giving up to the undersized and defensivley challenged Barrie. Basically they downgrade their D to add Senyshyn. No. They turned down 3 picks in the top 50 from the B’s for the pick they used on Hanafin on draft day, since then when B’s asked they asked for Pasta. Not cutting it.

Colorado makes out like bandits.

Boston overpays but might be better off

Carolina gets bent over.
Jan. 27, 2018 at 1:49 p.m.
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Carolina with a hard pass and probably a middle finger. Terrible for them. Most GM’s would prefer either D man they are giving up to the undersized and defensivley challenged Barrie. Basically they downgrade their D to add Senyshyn. No. They turned down 3 picks in the top 50 from the B’s for the pick they used on Hanafin on draft day, since then when B’s asked they asked for Pasta. Not cutting it.

Colorado makes out like bandits.

Boston overpays but might be better off

Carolina gets bent over.


Barrie reminds me alot of Krug only I think Barrie is a little bit better. I'm guessing your opinion of Krug is not all that high either? Anyway, we could argue this all day (like the title says it's not going to happen) Francis is unrealistic about the value of Hanifin. If he thinks Hanifin and Pastrnak are on the same level than we don't have grounds for a conversation. My question to you (Francis' opinion aside) what do you think Hanifin's value is in this 3 way trade, or is there no asset between Boston and Colorado to compensate for his loss?
Jan. 27, 2018 at 2:21 p.m.
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Slavin is vastly superior in overall advanced analytics compared to Nemeth. Not only that, he is also entering a deal that is a freakin steal.

Even if the are "statistically equal", the upside and contract value with Hanifin and Slavin is dramatically higher than Barrie and Nemeth
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Jan. 27, 2018 at 2:33 p.m.
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Slavin is vastly superior in overall advanced analytics compared to Nemeth. Not only that, he is also entering a deal that is a freakin steal.

Even if the are "statistically equal", the upside and contract value with Hanifin and Slavin is dramatically higher than Barrie and Nemeth


Hanifin/Barrie I'll entertain an argument, but Nemeth/Slavin are not statistically equal... Nemeth is superior in every statistical category except for points which they are for all intents and purposes equal. Nemeth may not have a contract inked yet, but there's no telling what he's going to go for; it may be north of 5.3 it may not... to say he's not worth as much as Slavin because of his lack of being locked up into a long term deal is nonsense. He could ink a deal like Slavin, he could ink a deal like Dumoulin, he could ink a deal like Matheson, if it goes to arbitration Slavin is on the high end of the contracts they will be looking at IJS.
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Lmao when u compared the "stats" with Slavin and Nemeth. I thought you was talkin about analytics but nah this guy pulls out the plus/minus and block shots "stats" hahaah
Jan. 27, 2018 at 2:36 p.m.
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Hanifin/Barrie I'll entertain an argument, but Nemeth/Slavin are not statistically equal... Nemeth is superior in every statistical category except for points which they are for all intents and purposes equal. Nemeth may not have a contract inked yet, but there's no telling what he's going to go for; it may be north of 5.3 it may not... to say he's not worth as much as Slavin because of his lack of being locked up into a long term deal is nonsense. He could ink a deal like Slavin, he could ink a deal like Dumoulin, he could ink a deal like Matheson, if it goes to arbitration Slavin is on the high end of the contracts they will be looking at IJS.


You cant be serious rn
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Jan. 27, 2018 at 2:48 p.m.
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You are off... you're not even comparing the right defensemen... Barrie has more points in less games than Hanifin... Hanifin has almost double the GvA and both register 1.0 BkS/g Hanifin does have double the TkA and double the Hits/g which tells me Barrie is a considerably more offensive defensman than Hanifin and Hanifin is more defensive, and considering they are both offensive defensemen I go with the better offensive defenseman. edge goes to Barrie (easily)

Nemeth and Slavin Both have virtually the same number of points. The big difference is Nemeth is a +17 where Slavin is a -13. Slavin only averages .5 Hits/g where Nemeth averages .9 Hits/g. Slavin averages 2.2 BkS/g where Nemeth averages 3.0 BkS/g. And GvA Nemeth only has 13 while Slavin has 27. edge Nemeth (easily)

Barrie>Hanifin
Nemeth>Slavin

...check


So if hits and blocked shots are inportant stats for dmen.... guys like Orpik, Girardi, MacDonald, Hal Gill and Jeff Finger must all be elite.
Jan. 27, 2018 at 2:48 p.m.
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@dragonlocks

Have you ever heard of CF%, Shots Suppressed, Shots Generated, Zone Entry Breakups, or any other advanced stat
Jan. 27, 2018 at 3:45 p.m.
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Barrie reminds me alot of Krug only I think Barrie is a little bit better. I'm guessing your opinion of Krug is not all that high either? Anyway, we could argue this all day (like the title says it's not going to happen) Francis is unrealistic about the value of Hanifin. If he thinks Hanifin and Pastrnak are on the same level than we don't have grounds for a conversation. My question to you (Francis' opinion aside) what do you think Hanifin's value is in this 3 way trade, or is there no asset between Boston and Colorado to compensate for his loss?


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Barrie reminds me alot of Krug only I think Barrie is a little bit better. I'm guessing your opinion of Krug is not all that high either? Anyway, we could argue this all day (like the title says it's not going to happen) Francis is unrealistic about the value of Hanifin. If he thinks Hanifin and Pastrnak are on the same level than we don't have grounds for a conversation. My question to you (Francis' opinion aside) what do you think Hanifin's value is in this 3 way trade, or is there no asset between Boston and Colorado to compensate for his loss?



I don’t think lowly of Barrie or Krug. All things being equal I’d just rather have Hanafin or Slavin over either of them, so would most GMs. And Slavin is superior to Nemeth as well despite you arguments to the contrary.

To answer your question. Hanafin’s trade value is the same as any other player.....whatever the team that owns him says it is. You can either pay the price or don’t. Perfect example - Chiarelli thought Taylor Hall’s value was Adam Larssen. Everyone else thought it was Larssen and 2 1sts. Chiarelli is an idiot.

Personally i am not willing to meet the asking price for him.

If you are asking me what i think would be fair value. A first line forward 25 or under that will be under team control for years. Which is what they asked for. Boston can’t and won’t do it. Other teams could. Another option would be A high end young forward, and a solid D prospect and a pick in the 1-3 range depending on the quality of players. Option 3 a pair of firsts from a borderline to non-playoff type team. For a team near the top of the standings those firsts lose value.

You pull a 3rd team into a deal when you don’’t have what the team you are trying to trade with wants. Carolina is looking for top 6 forwards, preferably a center. They are deep in D and willing to move some to upgrdae their forwards. You have them trading their 2 best LD and getting lesser D men in return just to add Senyshyn. Makes zero sense for them.
Jan. 27, 2018 at 5:31 p.m.
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In a heartbeat if I'm Sakic.

However.....I don't see Boston going for it as they're so high on Carlo but they don't do badly out of it but I certainly don't see Carolina going for it. It's not that it's that bad for them, just no big improvement. Maybe it works if the first pick or Spooner goes to Carolina. Add Spooner and Ottawa's 3rd pick in '19 and it's getting closer but probably still takes more.

Slavin + EJ, Girard + Carlo and Zadorov + Timmins with Makar still to come through for next year (Lindholm & Barberio could hold the third pairing down for a year).
Jan. 27, 2018 at 5:54 p.m.
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Not for Colorado... They'd in essence be helping Boston and Carolina; the only incentive is that Sakic has his eye on Carlo, but that is a small drop in the bucket to pull off something of this magnitude. Trying to find the motivation to make this appealing to Sakic, but I'm missing something. I feel like there is something there, and I'm just not seeing it.


Additional motivation for Sakic is that both Slavin & Carlo are Colorado born players and that probably has to carry a little weight. Not huge, but a little.
Jan. 28, 2018 at 5:00 a.m.
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You are off... you're not even comparing the right defensemen... Barrie has more points in less games than Hanifin... Hanifin has almost double the GvA and both register 1.0 BkS/g Hanifin does have double the TkA and double the Hits/g which tells me Barrie is a considerably more offensive defensman than Hanifin and Hanifin is more defensive, and considering they are both offensive defensemen I go with the better offensive defenseman. edge goes to Barrie (easily)

Nemeth and Slavin Both have virtually the same number of points. The big difference is Nemeth is a +17 where Slavin is a -13. Slavin only averages .5 Hits/g where Nemeth averages .9 Hits/g. Slavin averages 2.2 BkS/g where Nemeth averages 3.0 BkS/g. And GvA Nemeth only has 13 while Slavin has 27. edge Nemeth (easily)

Barrie>Hanifin
Nemeth>Slavin

...check


I made the comparisons like that because I think Slavin is better than Hanifin. It's true that both Hanifin and Barrie are offensive dmen so the comparison might be apt there, and Barrie is probably slightly better now but Hanifin has definitely the higher ceiling. It's reasonable to think Hanifin has more trade value than Barrie.

As for Slavin vs. Nemeth, uhhhh... where to start? Just watching these two players over a couple of shifts would prove you Slavin is the better player AINEC. But if we go stats-wise, plus/minus, hits, blocks, giveaways and takeaways are not good statistics to analyze dmen. You don't need to be overly physical to be a good shot suppressor and plus/minus ignores so many things it actually quite often makes really good dmen seem like total plugs and vice versa. Like the user phillyjabroni mentioned, corsi, shot generation, shot suppression, quality of competition and stuff like that gives you a much better picture of the said player's level of play. You know, there's a reason why guys like Slavin get 7 year contracts worth almost $40M while guys like Nemeth get picked up from waivers.
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