Keep dreaming , you know MB will mess this up

Duchene is younger and is a center. Thats why hes worth more.

I guess Pacioretty won't be getting traded anytime soon . . .

Ummm....no. Minny says no. Chuckles a bit too.

if you think they are laughing you should hear us in MTL

30 goal scorer's rarely hit the UFA market and when they do even Kozlov who never had 30 goals after being traded at age 28 he was traded for Dominik Hasek in his Prime .
think about that a minute , really let it sink in then throw all your bias's about Patches out the door .

pretending he wont get top quality return is like saying Marchand is nothing more then a pest and has little value when in reality we both know thats a half truth as Marchand would command a high yield .
(as long as you dont let Sweeney pull the trigger that is his deals are horrible )

Duchene has a single 30 goal season.
Pacioretty has 4 consecutive.
They have the exact same .72 p/g pace for their careers, but goals are worth more.
Same term, but Pacioretty's contract is better value.

Center I'll give you, but the age difference isn't a factor. Neither player is going to be old and gray in a year and a half, and Pacioretty is only about 2 years older to begin with. They were only drafted 2 years apart, so it's ridiculous to consider that. How about Pacioretty has 2 more years of experience?

Bottom line, Pacioretty is more valuable than Duchene right now.

Pacioretty can't return Kyle Turris 1 for 1. Duchene returned Turris+++

Based on what?

Based on Pacioretty being a wing.

By this logic Ovechkin will fetch us matthews or McDavid. Proven 50-60 goal scorer. Those never go on the market. The guy is averaging more goals per game than 99. Haha

Who cares about assists amirite?

Ovi has 500 career assists he’s probably the most balanced player when it comes to 50% goals 50% assists

Add that is and I want Matthews and marner

Ridiculous assertion. By that reasoning, Turris is worth more than Ovechkin 1 for 1.
Turris is worth less than Duchene. That's why other pieces were warranted. He has lower production, ignoring all other stats, that makes Duchene worth more on it's own.

Pacioretty > Duchene > Turris

you didnt use logic you saw the CONTEXT of the statement and Argued CONJECTURE like a jackass

arguing the exception as the rule makes you a fool not a visionary
the fact that you dont see it says you speak more then you think

Have no bias. I like Max. I know what he is worth. Minny wouldn;t touch that, doesn’t mean another team wouldn’t. Doesn’t do Minny any good to trade youth for 1.5 years of Max.
When you are trading prospects and picks for established players you have to overpay as you dealing with the unknown. Once you start adding established players to the mix things change as you have a clearer picture of value. The difference between Max and Coyle is not Kunin and a 1st, not for Minnesota anyway. Then again after their Hanzel trade last year.....of course they were a cup contender then.

Max’s value is whatever the market will bear and whatever Habs will accept. That is the starting point though. Decent player, high end prospect, 1st. Don’t see Minny giving up both Coyle and Kunin. It would likely be one or the other. Another team...in better position....with the need...and the depth....certainly could deliver that kind of return.

Don’t get your panties in a bunch. The reject was more about what was best for Minny as opposed to Max’s value. Had it been Jets and say Perrault, Roslovic, 1st, and a conditional 3rd. Or Ducks for Sifverberg, Steel, 1st i’d have given a thumbs up.

the experts literally having rankings explaining the tier patches is in but these salty d bags bring their personal opinions in and let them cloud business decisions
(its why they've been here a year long , double the posts i got with just 51 likes to my 48 lol )

That's a reasonable explanation for Minnesota not making that deal, rather than greatly undervaluing a player. Kudos for being among those that understand you have to overpay in unknown quantities to get a known one, as well.

#1 where did I say Turris had greater value than Ovi

#2 teams normally have a greater need for a center than a winger. Hence why Duchene and Turris have more value than Pacioretty.

It’s simple patches is okay but he sucks in playoffs and that’s what teams will want him for. I understand you have a hard on for him but he’s not worth what you think. How many goals does he have this season? Is he top 10? Top 20? No he’s 50th in goals. Doesn’t matter what you did last season he’s 50th in goals 31 points that’s not great. Get over yourself and look at the numbers.


Maybe patches in his prime or during a career year could get you that but not in a down year or when other players cough cough 49 others are putting up better numbers. Only a FOOL would think that.

The Wilds say no.

Just because i am a Bruins fan does not mean i don’t understand and appreciate the talent on your team. 90% of fans suffer from homerism and bias. So i understand the assumption.

You didn’t he’s just being “smart”

Bc he thinks patches is In The same universe as ovi

I asked for your reasoning as to why Turris was more valuable than Pacioretty. Your answer was that a center is worth more than a winger. You ignored all other factors.

If C > than W and Ovechkin is a winger, then yes, you did just imply that Turris and Duchene are more valuable than Ovechkin.

All things equal, a center is more valuable than a winger. I've already explained why all things are not equal.

Let’s not get too out of hand. I’m summarize Pacioretty in a paragraph:

Pacioretty is a goal scoring LW with a cap hit of 4.5m for this year and the year after this. MTL is asking for a severe overpayment from several other teams for Pacioretty, and each team has said no. MTL fans stay persistent and say Pacioretty will be dealt for an overpayment, yet no teams are takers. Therefore, Pacioretty won’t be dealt until MTL lowers their asking price. If Pacioretty played center, he’d be able to get that overpayment. Teams don’t like that he plays LW and has only 1.5 years left on his contract.

Turris is a first line center
Pacioretty is a first line LW

Who’s you rather have if you are considering contract situation and position?