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BOS TDL (small moves trying not to mess up the chemistry)

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Team: 2017-18 Boston Bruins
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 7, 2018
Published: Feb. 7, 2018
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    1. Beleskey, Matt
    2. 2019 2nd round pick (BOS)
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    1. 2018 4th round pick (BOS)
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    1. Johansson, Emil
    2. 2019 5th round pick (BOS)
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    $872,500$872,500
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    $900,000$900,000
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    UFA - 1
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    C, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    $775,000$775,000
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    UFA - 1
    $725,000$725,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 2
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
    LW, RW
    UFA - 3
    $808,750$808,750
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
    $637,500$637,500
    RW, C
    UFA - 1
    $792,500$792,500 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    $675,000$675,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
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    LD
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    UFA - 1
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    UFA - 2
    $7,000,000$7,000,000
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    UFA - 4
    $5,250,000$5,250,000
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    UFA - 3
    $789,167$789,167 (Performance Bonus$107,500$108K)
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    UFA - 2
    $1,200,000$1,200,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    $858,750$858,750
    LD
    UFA - 1
    $2,750,000$2,750,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    $900,000$900,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
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    Feb. 7, 2018 at 9:41 a.m.
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    I wouldn't pay a 2nd to get rid of Bels contract, I'd rather just buy him out in the off-season. I don't really see the purpose of these moves. Based on the depth chart, both guys you acquired are extras and UFA's at the end of the year. We also have 27 guys on the roster and 23 is the max, so we'd to move out or send down 4 guys.

    Czarnik and Bjrok and go down with no problems, but you'd still have two spots left to get within the roster limits. Now you could send Grz down, but IDK why you'd do that. This just seems like we're making moves just to say we made moves at the deadline.
    Feb. 7, 2018 at 9:44 a.m.
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    I like the trades. Just curious what's up with the 27 man roster?
    Feb. 7, 2018 at 9:56 a.m.
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    Quoting: ON3M4N


    Quoting: BreKel


    Just left 27 up to show depth at each position; obviously we wouldn't run 27 guys. I was going to bring Cehlarik up as well, but I figured 3 extras at LW was overkill in proving my point. I would actually resign Wagner if he fits in well.
    Feb. 7, 2018 at 10:02 a.m.
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    Just left 27 up to show depth at each position; obviously we wouldn't run 27 guys. I was going to bring Cehlarik up as well, but I figured 3 extras at LW was overkill in proving my point. I would actually resign Wagner if he fits in well.


    Even if you're showing depth, you'd still have to make roster moves to get them on the team. I'm pretty sure there isn't a roster cap after the trade deadline, but there needs to be moves to make the acquistions of Wagner and Kempny. I'll try and see what could happen....

    27 total men:

    Czarnik and Bjork go down (Czarnik has 2-3 more games and then needs to clear waivers to be sent down). = 25
    Postma waived, and either claimed and lost or sent down = 24

    You'd need to get rid of one player. Kuraly, I believe, is still waiver eligible, but he's solidified as a 4th liner so it doesn't make sense to send him down, unless it's a quick paper transaction to get Kempny/Wagner on the roster. Same goes for Grzelcyk. You could waive Vatrano, but I'm sure a bottom dweller grabs him so I don't see him clearing. When you score just under a goal per game in the AHL, you're going to get chances.
    Feb. 7, 2018 at 10:02 a.m.
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    I think these are solid moves. I differ a little with ON3M4N. If it were my team I would prefer to give up the 2nd than have 4 more years of cap penalties. But if you seriously look at it...it would be $2M (in 2019/2020) vs $2.75M so rather than buy him out...just keep him in the AHL because an additional $750k for 1 year is better than any penalties for 2 more years.
    Feb. 7, 2018 at 11:09 a.m.
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    I think these are solid moves. I differ a little with ON3M4N. If it were my team I would prefer to give up the 2nd than have 4 more years of cap penalties. But if you seriously look at it...it would be $2M (in 2019/2020) vs $2.75M so rather than buy him out...just keep him in the AHL because an additional $750k for 1 year is better than any penalties for 2 more years.


    Patrice Bergeron
    David Krejci
    Milan Lucic
    Ryan Spooner
    Ryan Donato
    Jeremy Lauzon
    Jakob Forsbacka-Karlsson
    Brandon Carlo
    Ryan Lindgren
    Jack Studnicka

    ^This is why I'm not trading a 2nd rounder to get rid of Bels. All of these guys were 2nd round picks for Boston.
    Feb. 7, 2018 at 11:41 a.m.
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    Quoting: ON3M4N
    Patrice Bergeron
    David Krejci
    Milan Lucic
    Ryan Spooner
    Ryan Donato
    Jeremy Lauzon
    Jakob Forsbacka-Karlsson
    Brandon Carlo
    Ryan Lindgren
    Jack Studnicka

    ^This is why I'm not trading a 2nd rounder to get rid of Bels. All of these guys were 2nd round picks for Boston.


    I don't have any issues with keeping him in the AHL. Lots of teams get talent in the 2nd round. My team the Hawks got Duncan Keith in the 2nd. I just wouldn't expect to get Patrice Bergeron ever year in the 2nd round. There are also a lot of busts even in the 1st round too.
    Feb. 7, 2018 at 11:57 a.m.
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    I don't have any issues with keeping him in the AHL. Lots of teams get talent in the 2nd round. My team the Hawks got Duncan Keith in the 2nd. I just wouldn't expect to get Patrice Bergeron ever year in the 2nd round. There are also a lot of busts even in the 1st round too.


    I'd leave him in the AHL too. But if they wanted to get rid of him all together, I'm buying him out before I'm giving up a 2nd rounder for someone to take him
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    Feb. 7, 2018 at 12:35 p.m.
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    Even if you're showing depth, you'd still have to make roster moves to get them on the team. I'm pretty sure there isn't a roster cap after the trade deadline, but there needs to be moves to make the acquistions of Wagner and Kempny. I'll try and see what could happen....

    27 total men:

    Czarnik and Bjork go down (Czarnik has 2-3 more games and then needs to clear waivers to be sent down). = 25
    Postma waived, and either claimed and lost or sent down = 24

    You'd need to get rid of one player. Kuraly, I believe, is still waiver eligible, but he's solidified as a 4th liner so it doesn't make sense to send him down, unless it's a quick paper transaction to get Kempny/Wagner on the roster. Same goes for Grzelcyk. You could waive Vatrano, but I'm sure a bottom dweller grabs him so I don't see him clearing. When you score just under a goal per game in the AHL, you're going to get chances.


    Czarnik, Bjork, Postma, Vatrano go down... hope Postma and Vatrano aren't claimed but Wagner brings more value than Vatrano and Kempny brings more value than Postma... This is simply my plan to plug holes left by Acciari injury and any other injuries we may face moving forward... Czarnik gets the nod until Acciari/Bjork/Vatrano return.

    Marchand/Bergeron/Pastrnak
    DeBrusk/Krejci/Spooner
    Heinen/Nash/Backes
    Schaller/Kuraly/Wagner
    Czarnik

    Chara/McAvoy
    Krug/Carlo
    Grzelcyk/McQuaid
    Kempny/Miller

    Rask
    Khudobin

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    Injuries: Bjork/Acciari/Vatrano
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    Feb. 7, 2018 at 12:38 p.m.
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    Quoting: ON3M4N
    Patrice Bergeron
    David Krejci
    Milan Lucic
    Ryan Spooner
    Ryan Donato
    Jeremy Lauzon
    Jakob Forsbacka-Karlsson
    Brandon Carlo
    Ryan Lindgren
    Jack Studnicka

    ^This is why I'm not trading a 2nd rounder to get rid of Bels. All of these guys were 2nd round picks for Boston.


    I could write a longer list of 2nd's who didn't pan out. Yes it's a risk that's what makes it enticing to CAR. If there wasn't value in it, there would be no reason for CAR to jump on it. I can respect your position in not wanting to do it, but to make a list as if every 2nd pans out to be great is just silly.
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    Feb. 7, 2018 at 12:40 p.m.
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    ... I just wouldn't expect to get Patrice Bergeron ever year in the 2nd round. There are also a lot of busts even in the 1st round too.


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    Feb. 7, 2018 at 1:04 p.m.
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    I could write a longer list of 2nd's who didn't pan out. Yes it's a risk that's what makes it enticing to CAR. If there wasn't value in it, there would be no reason for CAR to jump on it. I can respect your position in not wanting to do it, but to make a list as if every 2nd pans out to be great is just silly.


    For fun I looked at the B's draft picks over the last 10 years (not including the 2017 draft). Here is the production per round for the Bruins. This is solely numbers of when guys played for the Bruins i.e. Seguin's Dallas #'s are not included. I have it in much greater detail, but its a lot to type out so I'll just give rounds, games played and points

    1st - 1,460 GP / 644 Pts
    2nd - 2,733 GP / 1801 Pts
    3rd - 636 GP / 435 Pts
    4th - 320 GP / 79 Pts
    5th - 94 GP / 25 Pts
    6th - 344 GP / 40 Pts
    7th - 231 GP / 57 Pts
    8th - 145 GP / 23 Pts
    9th - 23 GP / 0 Pts

    For whatever reason, Boston over the last 10 years has done a fantastic job in the 2nd round.
    Feb. 7, 2018 at 1:45 p.m.
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    For fun I looked at the B's draft picks over the last 10 years (not including the 2017 draft). Here is the production per round for the Bruins. This is solely numbers of when guys played for the Bruins i.e. Seguin's Dallas #'s are not included. I have it in much greater detail, but its a lot to type out so I'll just give rounds, games played and points

    1st - 1,460 GP / 644 Pts
    2nd - 2,733 GP / 1801 Pts
    3rd - 636 GP / 435 Pts
    4th - 320 GP / 79 Pts
    5th - 94 GP / 25 Pts
    6th - 344 GP / 40 Pts
    7th - 231 GP / 57 Pts
    8th - 145 GP / 23 Pts
    9th - 23 GP / 0 Pts

    For whatever reason, Boston over the last 10 years has done a fantastic job in the 2nd round.


    Well I guess I can't argue with those numbers... I guess the Bruins probably have people in their front office that look at stuff like this before any type of trade goes through. My points would be 1) a trade could be made for Beleskey that would be beneficial for CAR without being detrimental to Boston 2) this is on paper so there's room to adjust fire 3) This doesn't have to be a deadline transaction... this could happen at the draft table. 4) CAR isn't the only team that will be scratching the salary floor so there are other teams that might be willing to go for less.

    My only point in doing this was to rid his salary without buying him out and having years of a partial cap hit looming over us. Outside of this move which I understand you don't agree with, and I respect that, the other moves to add depth are solid moves in my eyes. 1) we don't have a LHD ready to go in case of injury 2) in the face of injuries to Bjork/Acciari/Vatrano we need depth (specifically a right handed shooter as we still have Cehlarik who shoots left) but not to our top 3 lines as they are performing like a well oiled machine.

    I think the moves are minimal impact both to our assets and to the chemistry of the team. This is just my opinion.
    Feb. 7, 2018 at 1:58 p.m.
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    Also these are both rentals... if they work out we could try to resign them... if they don't we're out a few late round picks, but at least we were covered in the playoffs. However I can't see Wagner not wanting to resign with the B's; he grew up 45 minutes outside of Boston, plus I love his playing style. He plays a crash and bang game and showed a lot of scoring potential when ANA suffered all those injuries at the beginning of the season. He's just a blue collar player, really gritty, tough to knock off the puck, and hits everything out on the ice. I know you've said before that the Bruins game is changing, but it's good to have at least 1 or 2 energy guys like him on your team. A huge open ice hit can change the momentum of the whole game you know that.
    Feb. 7, 2018 at 2:21 p.m.
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    Well I guess I can't argue with those numbers... I guess the Bruins probably have people in their front office that look at stuff like this before any type of trade goes through. My points would be 1) a trade could be made for Beleskey that would be beneficial for CAR without being detrimental to Boston 2) this is on paper so there's room to adjust fire 3) This doesn't have to be a deadline transaction... this could happen at the draft table. 4) CAR isn't the only team that will be scratching the salary floor so there are other teams that might be willing to go for less.

    My only point in doing this was to rid his salary without buying him out and having years of a partial cap hit looming over us. Outside of this move which I understand you don't agree with, and I respect that, the other moves to add depth are solid moves in my eyes. 1) we don't have a LHD ready to go in case of injury 2) in the face of injuries to Bjork/Acciari/Vatrano we need depth (specifically a right handed shooter as we still have Cehlarik who shoots left) but not to our top 3 lines as they are performing like a well oiled machine.

    I think the moves are minimal impact both to our assets and to the chemistry of the team. This is just my opinion.


    Here's the problem with the cap floor move. If a team is trying to reach the cap floor, they are obviously a low budget team. Those teams are looking for higher cap hit, lower actual salary players. For example:

    Beleskey this year (if he was in the NHL) would have a cap hit of $3.8 million however he's owed $4 million.

    Backes this year has a cap hit of $6 million however his earned salary is actually $8 million

    Someone like Backes could be a "cap floor guy" for a team towards the end of his deal because he only has a M-NTC and while his cap hit is $6 million is only paid $4 million. The team gets to show $6 million, but in reality it cost them a lot less.

    As far as the rentals go, I don't see the need to trade for guys who are "extras" on your line-up. Look at this team next year and the year after, where do these guys fit in? Barring no major trades (and I wouldn't be shocked if Sweeney held firm), you're struggling to figure out where JFK, Senyshyn, Zboril , O'Gara & Lauzon fit in. Then you have other guys like Frederic, Donato, Studnicka, Vaak & Lindgren not far behind. Oh and the team we have here now is pretty well locked up. If I'm making a move I'm making an all-in move for a either a top end goal scoring RW or a #2LHD that can maybe be your #1 when Chara hangs it up.

    I'm not saying the value isn't there and their bad trades, they just don't make sense for Boston right now.
    Feb. 7, 2018 at 2:51 p.m.
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    Here's the problem with the cap floor move. If a team is trying to reach the cap floor, they are obviously a low budget team. Those teams are looking for higher cap hit, lower actual salary players. For example:

    Beleskey this year (if he was in the NHL) would have a cap hit of $3.8 million however he's owed $4 million.

    Backes this year has a cap hit of $6 million however his earned salary is actually $8 million

    Someone like Backes could be a "cap floor guy" for a team towards the end of his deal because he only has a M-NTC and while his cap hit is $6 million is only paid $4 million. The team gets to show $6 million, but in reality it cost them a lot less.

    As far as the rentals go, I don't see the need to trade for guys who are "extras" on your line-up. Look at this team next year and the year after, where do these guys fit in? Barring no major trades (and I wouldn't be shocked if Sweeney held firm), you're struggling to figure out where JFK, Senyshyn, Zboril , O'Gara & Lauzon fit in. Then you have other guys like Frederic, Donato, Studnicka, Vaak & Lindgren not far behind. Oh and the team we have here now is pretty well locked up. If I'm making a move I'm making an all-in move for a either a top end goal scoring RW or a #2LHD that can maybe be your #1 when Chara hangs it up.

    I'm not saying the value isn't there and their bad trades, they just don't make sense for Boston right now.


    I hear what you're saying, but here's my thought. JFK, Senyshyn, Zboril, Lauzon, may be ready next year, but they're not ready now. O'Gara is ready, but he has proven that he can't put up big minutes and the minutes he can play he is a defensive defenseman at best and even then he is not solid in his own end, lots of mistakes. The only thing he has going for him is he is a big body who can play against the toughest power forwards in the league (which is something you can't teach). With Bjork, Acciari, and Vatrano injured and the aforementioned not ready to go yet, that leaves us really thin on replacements if there are anymore injuries. Obviously I don't want to mess with what we have going right now; we're winning, but if another RW goes down we're looking at Senyshyn as the next man up (or moving Nash to RW, Czarnik to 3C, and JFK to 4C) either way I don't think they're ready for the Stanley Cup Playoffs (let alone the Finals, if we make it that far) If a LHD goes down O'Gara is the next man up, and I don't think he's ready either. I'm looking at this as making a run this year and then those spots being open next year. They are very cheap, low impact, rentals that won't break the pocket book.

    Now, I see you're point of view, but I just don't think we should go all in on a RW/LHD and screw with the synergy of our lines. I think a durable 4th line/bottom pairing rental of the same positions (because obviously I see the same holes you do) is the way to go. It leaves our team exactly the way it is now, and if we have anymore injuries it allows us to seamlessly fill those holes without having to rely on those kids that aren't ready yet, and at the same time allows us to not be tied into a contract and to re-open those holes next season for those kids who are developing as we speak.

    Those kids might be ready, they might not, but the playoffs is not the venue to find out. Each game is the most important game of the season in the playoffs. 1) you don't want to put that pressure on them 2) you don't know how they're going to bounce back if they screw up 3) if they do screw up, one game could mean series (whether that be changing the tide of momentum, or literally screwing up in a game 7 type scenario)
    Feb. 7, 2018 at 2:55 p.m.
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    What you're saying about a front loaded contract does make sense though.
    Feb. 7, 2018 at 3:30 p.m.
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    Marian Hossa is a Great example. $5.275M Cap hit and $1M in salary.
    Feb. 7, 2018 at 3:58 p.m.
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    Marian Hossa is a Great example. $5.275M Cap hit and $1M in salary.


    or Franzen from Detroit... I get it... just figured for the right price someone would eat Beleskey's contract...
    Feb. 7, 2018 at 4:21 p.m.
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    I hear what you're saying, but here's my thought. JFK, Senyshyn, Zboril, Lauzon, may be ready next year, but they're not ready now. O'Gara is ready, but he has proven that he can't put up big minutes and the minutes he can play he is a defensive defenseman at best and even then he is not solid in his own end, lots of mistakes. The only thing he has going for him is he is a big body who can play against the toughest power forwards in the league (which is something you can't teach).


    How has he proven that he can't put up big minutes? The guys played 11 NHL games. Danton Heinen through his first 8 games in the NHL played just over 13 minutes a night....now he's one of the top scoring rookies in the NHL. Lets not start closing the scouting report on a guy after a sip of NHL experience.

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    With Bjork, Acciari, and Vatrano injured and the aforementioned not ready to go yet, that leaves us really thin on replacements if there are anymore injuries.


    And none of those injuries are considered major. Guys get hurt, its the nature of the game, but the guys you're talking about are small contributors to the success of this team (if any). Really only Acciari is a main stay on this team right now and he only plays 12 minutes a night. If we can't replace a 4th line RW, then we're screwed with someone in the system, then our system sucks.

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    Obviously I don't want to mess with what we have going right now; we're winning, but if another RW goes down we're looking at Senyshyn as the next man up (or moving Nash to RW, Czarnik to 3C, and JFK to 4C) either way I don't think they're ready for the Stanley Cup Playoffs (let alone the Finals, if we make it that far) If a LHD goes down O'Gara is the next man up, and I don't think he's ready either.


    Senyshyn wouldn't be the next man up. If anything the order is probably....

    Cehlarik
    Szwarz
    Fitzgerald
    Senyshyn
    Hickman

    If these guys are replacing say Pasta then ya were in trouble, but I don't see a guy like Wagner being a saving grace in that spot either. As far as defense goes, when healthy two of Miller, McQuaid and Postma are not dressing and two of those guys can play their off-side if need be. After them, yes O'Gara is the next man up, but he's going to play a 3rd pairing role. The guy isn't going to come in and replace Chara or Krug, nor would the kid from Chicago be able to.

    [/quote]I'm looking at this as making a run this year and then those spots being open next year. They are very cheap, low impact, rentals that won't break the pocket book.[/quote]

    Low impact rentals? If no one gets hurt they are no impact rentals. You're basically buying an insurance policy for your bottom pairing and a 4th line, why?

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    Now, I see you're point of view, but I just don't think we should go all in on a RW/LHD and screw with the synergy of our lines. I think a durable 4th line/bottom pairing rental of the same positions (because obviously I see the same holes you do) is the way to go. It leaves our team exactly the way it is now, and if we have anymore injuries it allows us to seamlessly fill those holes without having to rely on those kids that aren't ready yet, and at the same time allows us to not be tied into a contract and to re-open those holes next season for those kids who are developing as we speak.


    The two guys you're replacing in my scenario are Spooner and Grz. Spooner is finally have a good year, but this team isn't going to fall apart if he's not the #2RW, nor does this team crumble if Grz isn't the 3rd pairing d-man. If anything acquire a top 4 LHD makes us stronger. Krug now slot down to a position he can take advantage of and Carlo gets a more stable defensive partner to help me "on the job" and take over for Chara when he calls it a career.

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    Those kids might be ready, they might not, but the playoffs is not the venue to find out. Each game is the most important game of the season in the playoffs. 1) you don't want to put that pressure on them 2) you don't know how they're going to bounce back if they screw up 3) if they do screw up, one game could mean series (whether that be changing the tide of momentum, or literally screwing up in a game 7 type scenario)


    I would imagine that B's management knows which kids can handle it and which can't. Obviously McAvoy is a rare case, but he seemed to handle it find last year, as did Kuraly and a slew of other guys who've never been in the playoffs before. Here's the thing, with what's in place these "kids" wont be ask to fill premium role and if they have too, we screwed anyways and the two guys you're acquiring here aren't going to keep our hopes alive.

    These moves don't change your Stanley Cup odds. A guy like McDonagh or Stone....those guy change cup odds and that's (if anything) what we need. We have depth, we don't need more of it in the off chance a bottom forward or d-man gets hurt. If we do, then Sweeney and Co should be fire for not having in an house option till a 10-13 minute a night role.
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    How has he proven that he can't put up big minutes? The guys played 11 NHL games. Danton Heinen through his first 8 games in the NHL played just over 13 minutes a night....now he's one of the top scoring rookies in the NHL. Lets not start closing the scouting report on a guy after a sip of NHL experience.

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    With Bjork, Acciari, and Vatrano injured and the aforementioned not ready to go yet, that leaves us really thin on replacements if there are anymore injuries.


    And none of those injuries are considered major. Guys get hurt, its the nature of the game, but the guys you're talking about are small contributors to the success of this team (if any). Really only Acciari is a main stay on this team right now and he only plays 12 minutes a night. If we can't replace a 4th line RW, then we're screwed with someone in the system, then our system sucks.

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    Obviously I don't want to mess with what we have going right now; we're winning, but if another RW goes down we're looking at Senyshyn as the next man up (or moving Nash to RW, Czarnik to 3C, and JFK to 4C) either way I don't think they're ready for the Stanley Cup Playoffs (let alone the Finals, if we make it that far) If a LHD goes down O'Gara is the next man up, and I don't think he's ready either.


    Senyshyn wouldn't be the next man up. If anything the order is probably....

    Cehlarik
    Szwarz
    Fitzgerald
    Senyshyn
    Hickman

    If these guys are replacing say Pasta then ya were in trouble, but I don't see a guy like Wagner being a saving grace in that spot either. As far as defense goes, when healthy two of Miller, McQuaid and Postma are not dressing and two of those guys can play their off-side if need be. After them, yes O'Gara is the next man up, but he's going to play a 3rd pairing role. The guy isn't going to come in and replace Chara or Krug, nor would the kid from Chicago be able to.

    I'm looking at this as making a run this year and then those spots being open next year. They are very cheap, low impact, rentals that won't break the pocket book.[/quote]

    Low impact rentals? If no one gets hurt they are no impact rentals. You're basically buying an insurance policy for your bottom pairing and a 4th line, why?

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    Now, I see you're point of view, but I just don't think we should go all in on a RW/LHD and screw with the synergy of our lines. I think a durable 4th line/bottom pairing rental of the same positions (because obviously I see the same holes you do) is the way to go. It leaves our team exactly the way it is now, and if we have anymore injuries it allows us to seamlessly fill those holes without having to rely on those kids that aren't ready yet, and at the same time allows us to not be tied into a contract and to re-open those holes next season for those kids who are developing as we speak.


    The two guys you're replacing in my scenario are Spooner and Grz. Spooner is finally have a good year, but this team isn't going to fall apart if he's not the #2RW, nor does this team crumble if Grz isn't the 3rd pairing d-man. If anything acquire a top 4 LHD makes us stronger. Krug now slot down to a position he can take advantage of and Carlo gets a more stable defensive partner to help me "on the job" and take over for Chara when he calls it a career.

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    Those kids might be ready, they might not, but the playoffs is not the venue to find out. Each game is the most important game of the season in the playoffs. 1) you don't want to put that pressure on them 2) you don't know how they're going to bounce back if they screw up 3) if they do screw up, one game could mean series (whether that be changing the tide of momentum, or literally screwing up in a game 7 type scenario)


    I would imagine that B's management knows which kids can handle it and which can't. Obviously McAvoy is a rare case, but he seemed to handle it find last year, as did Kuraly and a slew of other guys who've never been in the playoffs before. Here's the thing, with what's in place these "kids" wont be ask to fill premium role and if they have too, we screwed anyways and the two guys you're acquiring here aren't going to keep our hopes alive.

    These moves don't change your Stanley Cup odds. A guy like McDonagh or Stone....those guy change cup odds and that's (if anything) what we need. We have depth, we don't need more of it in the off chance a bottom forward or d-man gets hurt. If we do, then Sweeney and Co should be fire for not having in an house option till a 10-13 minute a night role.[/quote]

    My thought was if Pasta gets injured Spooner takes his place, Nash takes Spooner's place, Czarnik takes Nash's place...
    If Spooner Get's injured Nash takes Spooner's place and Czarnik takes Nash's place...
    If Wagner gets injured you still have Acciari or vise versa; whoever is oddman out on the 3rd line (probably Schaller) Wagner/Kuraly/Acciari but either way it's covered

    The left wing is already self explanatory... we've shown exactly what we'll do if Marchand is out and so on down the line...

    Defense is exactly what you said... an insurance policy... everyone bumps up in the event of injury just like when McAvoy went down for his heart surgery.

    You're right I shouldn't write off O'Gara just yet, but his last showing in the NHL was less than impressive, so many mistakes in his own zone, a few of which led to goals, that's why he was sent back down. He might be better now, but I'd hate to find out in the playoffs you know what I'm saying?
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    Let me ask you this then...

    If we go big on a RW, Spooner or Nash are the pieces that will have to make way to fit him in the roster. Both are free agents so we can't move them in the trade (they hold no value... or little value I should say) who do you try to deal to make room for the new guy, make the deal appealing to the other team, and not hurt us in the long run???

    Second question LHD; are you moving Krug out of town or are you adding to our left side?

    Third question (this is completely off topic but this has been rolling around in my head) You know I don't like Carlo, but I won't deny he has value, a lot of value as it were; if we had the chance to move up in the draft (i.e. trade Carlo) and take Boqvist would you do it? Obviously our team would be weaker in the short term but Boqvist could be the next "___fill in the blank___"; the kid has one of the most amazing shots and is probably one of the best offensive defensemen to come along in a very long time. Granted he doesn't have the defensive tools that Dahlin has, or Carlo for that matter, but his offensive game is off the chart sick. The only reason I ask is Sakic has had his eye on Carlo for a very long time. Sakic also posses 2018 1st OTT. That could end up being a pick high enough to draft for Boqvist. Again this is just a thought running through my head... I don't know how realistic it is...
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    My thought was if Pasta gets injured Spooner takes his place, Nash takes Spooner's place, Czarnik takes Nash's place...
    If Spooner Get's injured Nash takes Spooner's place and Czarnik takes Nash's place...
    If Wagner gets injured you still have Acciari or vise versa; whoever is oddman out on the 3rd line (probably Schaller) Wagner/Kuraly/Acciari but either way it's covered


    Spooner isn't going to the #1RW if Pasta goes down. If anything Backes, Nash or Heinen go up to play #1RW. As of now take Czarnik out of this equation because when this team is healthy he's in the AHL and can be called up to fill in holes and that's my point. Boston has options if someone gets hurt and they've shown that all year.

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    The left wing is already self explanatory... we've shown exactly what we'll do if Marchand is out and so on down the line...


    RW is really no different. Many of our wingers play both sides.

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    Defense is exactly what you said... an insurance policy... everyone bumps up in the event of injury just like when McAvoy went down for his heart surgery.


    Right just like when McAvoy went down.....so why are we acquire someone again? This is where I'm going and for some reason its just not sticking. We have depth, we don't need to add more depth. We already have guys in the system that can fill roles. Yes we want to make a cup run, but why not focus on guys that can actually help on the ice vs guys that are more likely than not going to sit upstairs and watch the game?

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    You're right I shouldn't write off O'Gara just yet, but his last showing in the NHL was less than impressive, so many mistakes in his own zone, a few of which led to goals, that's why he was sent back down. He might be better now, but I'd hate to find out in the playoffs you know what I'm saying?


    So you're basing your opinion on his last showing....when the ENTIRE team was playing like absolute crap. We're also talking about a position that is the hardest to learn and craft in the NHL. Most d-men take a few years in the AHL to be even remotely close to NHL ready. Is O'Gara going to win a Norris? probably not, but he has the tools to be a solid #3 two-way d-man that can play 2nd pairing in a pinch (not for a long period though).
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    Let me ask you this then...

    If we go big on a RW, Spooner or Nash are the pieces that will have to make way to fit him in the roster. Both are free agents so we can't move them in the trade (they hold no value... or little value I should say) who do you try to deal to make room for the new guy, make the deal appealing to the other team, and not hurt us in the long run???


    Who says you have to trade either to fit him in?

    Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
    DeBrusk - Krejci - RW Trade
    Heinen - Nash - Backes
    Schaller/Kuraly - Spooner - Acciari

    You can flip flop Nash and Spooner if you want (I probably would, but could see an argument not to), but its possible lol.

    As far as value goes....

    Spooner is a RFA, so he's still under team control and over the last two and half seasons he's played a 48 point pace. In a given year 10% to 12% of NHL player will score 48+ points.

    Boston has no interesting in trading Nash and I'm sure they'll try to re-sign him but someone will offer a bigger role/more money. Nash is a very good bottom 6 two-way player that keeps the game simple. He's great for younger player to play with and learn from.

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    Second question LHD; are you moving Krug out of town or are you adding to our left side?


    I'm adding. Again though, I'm only adding if its a guy that is a lock 2nd pairing who can play 1st pairing when Chara retires. The short term idea would be to get Krug down the 3rd pairing where he could feast on lesser competition.

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    Third question (this is completely off topic but this has been rolling around in my head) You know I don't like Carlo, but I won't deny he has value, a lot of value as it were; if we had the chance to move up in the draft (i.e. trade Carlo) and take Boqvist would you do it? Obviously our team would be weaker in the short term but Boqvist could be the next "___fill in the blank___"; the kid has one of the most amazing shots and is probably one of the best offensive defensemen to come along in a very long time. Granted he doesn't have the defensive tools that Dahlin has, or Carlo for that matter, but his offensive game is off the chart sick. The only reason I ask is Sakic has had his eye on Carlo for a very long time. Sakic also posses 2018 1st OTT. That could end up being a pick high enough to draft for Boqvist. Again this is just a thought running through my head... I don't know how realistic it is...


    IIRC that pick is top 10 protected and would go back to OTT.
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    Who says you have to trade either to fit him in?

    Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
    DeBrusk - Krejci - RW Trade
    Heinen - Nash - Backes
    Schaller/Kuraly - Spooner - Acciari

    You can flip flop Nash and Spooner if you want (I probably would, but could see an argument not to), but its possible lol.

    As far as value goes....

    Spooner is a RFA, so he's still under team control and over the last two and half seasons he's played a 48 point pace. In a given year 10% to 12% of NHL player will score 48+ points.

    Boston has no interesting in trading Nash and I'm sure they'll try to re-sign him but someone will offer a bigger role/more money. Nash is a very good bottom 6 two-way player that keeps the game simple. He's great for younger player to play with and learn from.

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    Second question LHD; are you moving Krug out of town or are you adding to our left side?


    I'm adding. Again though, I'm only adding if its a guy that is a lock 2nd pairing who can play 1st pairing when Chara retires. The short term idea would be to get Krug down the 3rd pairing where he could feast on lesser competition.

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    Third question (this is completely off topic but this has been rolling around in my head) You know I don't like Carlo, but I won't deny he has value, a lot of value as it were; if we had the chance to move up in the draft (i.e. trade Carlo) and take Boqvist would you do it? Obviously our team would be weaker in the short term but Boqvist could be the next "___fill in the blank___"; the kid has one of the most amazing shots and is probably one of the best offensive defensemen to come along in a very long time. Granted he doesn't have the defensive tools that Dahlin has, or Carlo for that matter, but his offensive game is off the chart sick. The only reason I ask is Sakic has had his eye on Carlo for a very long time. Sakic also posses 2018 1st OTT. That could end up being a pick high enough to draft for Boqvist. Again this is just a thought running through my head... I don't know how realistic it is...


    IIRC that pick is top 10 protected and would go back to OTT.


    I agree with your lines 110%... that's why I don't see Spooner sticking around or Nash, but more likely the case Spooner. Correct me if I'm wrong but Spooner is arbitration eligible, correct? He took his contract to arbitration last year and he'll be looking for a raise if we resign him again next season. I just can't quantify paying our 4C 3+mil. He may finish out the season at 4C but I only see him as an extra part come draft time, especially if we resign Nash which I'm also on the fence about.

    As far as OTT pick being top 10 protected... good for Dorion; I don't typically like to see Division rivals succeed, but he got hosed in that deal. I'm actually kind of glad to see that pick head back to him.
     
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