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Montreal Canadiens signed Charlie Lindgren (3 Years / $750,000 AAV)

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Feb. 13, 2018 at 5:19 p.m.
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Charlie Lindgren has signed a new contract with the Montreal Canadiens.
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SIGNED BY: Marc Bergevin
Length: 3 years
Value: $2,250,000
Expiry Status: UFA
Cap % Tooltip: 1.00
Signing Team: Logo of the Montreal CanadiensMontreal Canadiens
Signing Date: Feb. 13, 2018

Charlie Lindgren signed a 3 year, $2,250,000 contract with the Montreal Canadiens on Feb. 13, 2018. The contract has a cap hit of $750,000.

SEASONClauseCap HitTooltipAAV TooltipP. BonusesTooltipS. BonusesTooltipBase SalaryTooltipTotal SalaryTooltipMinors SalTooltip
2018-19$750,000$750,000$0$50,000$700,000$750,000$750,000
2019-20$750,000$750,000$0$50,000$700,000$750,000$750,000
2020-21$750,000$750,000$0$50,000$700,000$750,000$750,000
TOTAL$2,250,000$2,250,000$0$150,000$2,100,000$2,250,000$2,250,000
Feb. 13, 2018 at 5:25 p.m.
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Good value. Surprised MB got that 3rd year and it wasn't more like $900k. I'd imagine it's one-way for Lindgren to agree to those terms.
Feb. 13, 2018 at 5:27 p.m.
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Quoting: ricochetii
Good value. Surprised MB got that 3rd year and it wasn't more like $900k. I'd imagine it's one-way for Lindgren to agree to those terms.






One way indeed. Still a very good signing.
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Feb. 13, 2018 at 5:52 p.m.
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Wow... Good signing! Very solid and hope for him to be the backup next year. Good value too.
Feb. 13, 2018 at 5:52 p.m.
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Quoting: ricochetii
Good value. Surprised MB got that 3rd year and it wasn't more like $900k. I'd imagine it's one-way for Lindgren to agree to those terms.


this contract is amazing in terms of value, and I think the plan going forward was always to have Lindgren as Price's backup next season. but I think it was Lindgren that wanted that 3rd year in his contract. it takes him straight to UFA eligibility. So Habs got a cheap cap hit in the deal, but Lindgren gets full autonomy at the end of the deal.... so the contract is really a double edged sword
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Feb. 13, 2018 at 6:03 p.m.
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3 years? Bergevin you genius!
Feb. 13, 2018 at 6:26 p.m.
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this contract is amazing in terms of value, and I think the plan going forward was always to have Lindgren as Price's backup next season. but I think it was Lindgren that wanted that 3rd year in his contract. it takes him straight to UFA eligibility. So Habs got a cheap cap hit in the deal, but Lindgren gets full autonomy at the end of the deal.... so the contract is really a double edged sword


Actually, only one of those years is RFA. We picked up 2 of his UFA years. Late draft, 2 year ELC, and no slide (we basically let him burn a year immediately, which helped lure him to sign). I'd have to double check the details if you need an explanation, but you should be able to find one.
Feb. 13, 2018 at 6:27 p.m.
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3 years? Bergevin you genius!


When you think about it, 2 years would of been better in Lindgren's case. What do you think? paying him cheap for 2 years and have his rights as an RFA after, or pay him cheap for an extra season and lose all leverage in negotiations because he's a UFA.
Feb. 13, 2018 at 6:30 p.m.
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Actually, only one of those years is RFA. We picked up 2 of his UFA years. Late draft, 2 year ELC, and no slide (we basically let him burn a year immediately, which helped lure him to sign). I'd have to double check the details if you need an explanation, but you should be able to find one.


"A player may only declare himself to be an unrestricted free agent if he is over the age of 27 or has played in the league for a minimum of 7 years." I pulled this straight from Wikipedia so it could still be wrong. but in 3 years Lindgren will be 27 and will not have 7 seasons under his belt, so I don't think MTL is buying any of his UFA years. I think the negotiation was Habs save on cap but at the expense of losing the players rights. They did the same thing in the Galchenyuk deal, no?
Feb. 13, 2018 at 6:43 p.m.
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So I was right and wrong lol. The deal does take Lindgren to UFA eligibilty, but It's the Habs that wanted to do that.....hmmmm not sure how I feel about it.
Feb. 13, 2018 at 6:49 p.m.
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Quoting: Blazingbat11
"A player may only declare himself to be an unrestricted free agent if he is over the age of 27 or has played in the league for a minimum of 7 years." I pulled this straight from Wikipedia so it could still be wrong. but in 3 years Lindgren will be 27 and will not have 7 seasons under his belt, so I don't think MTL is buying any of his UFA years. I think the negotiation was Habs save on cap but at the expense of losing the players rights. They did the same thing in the Galchenyuk deal, no?


I believe this is what we are looking for:

Group 6 (Unrestricted) Free Agents
Any player 25 or older with at least three professional seasons who has not played in at least 80 NHL games (28 for goalies) becomes a UFA at the end of his contract. For this part, the definition of a professional season is pretty lenient. 11 games for 18-19 year olds and just one game played anywhere professionally counts for anybody over 20.

Since we guaranteed him that one start immediately, the end of 18/19 would have been UFA for him. Unless I missed something.
Feb. 13, 2018 at 7:12 p.m.
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Edited Feb. 13, 2018 at 7:27 p.m.
Quoting: ricochetii
I believe this is what we are looking for:

Group 6 (Unrestricted) Free Agents
Any player 25 or older with at least three professional seasons who has not played in at least 80 NHL games (28 for goalies) becomes a UFA at the end of his contract. For this part, the definition of a professional season is pretty lenient. 11 games for 18-19 year olds and just one game played anywhere professionally counts for anybody over 20.

Since we guaranteed him that one start immediately, the end of 18/19 would have been UFA for him. Unless I missed something.


so this is the link that goes into detail about different groups of FreeAgents

http://www.lakelawgroup.com/how-free-agency-works-in-the-nhl/

Lindgren's 3rd professional season (or his 4th depending on that 1 game in 2016, but regardless, it's the games played that matters at that point) is next year, and he will be turning 25. but the only way Lindgren can claim to be as a group 6 UFA is if he plays less than 17 games next season (17 games would bring him to 28 career total) . If so then you are right and Habs are getting 2 extra UFA seasons out of him. If he plays more then 17 games, then he falls into the group 3 UFA's where my previous statement of being 27 or over or have played in 7 seasons stands. if that's the case then Habs bit themselves in the butt and lost his rights for just an extra year.

So I guess the question falls down to, do you think Lindgren plays more than 17 games next year?
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Feb. 13, 2018 at 7:37 p.m.
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so this is the link that goes into detail about different groups of FreeAgents

http://www.lakelawgroup.com/how-free-agency-works-in-the-nhl/

Lindgren's 3rd professional season (or his 4th depending on that 1 game in 2016, but regardless, it's the games played that matters at that point) is next year, and he will be turning 25. but the only way Lindgren can claim to be as a group 6 UFA is if he plays less than 17 games next season (17 games would bring him to 28 career total) . If so then you are right and Habs are getting 2 extra UFA seasons out of him. If he plays more then 17 games, then he falls into the group 3 UFA's where my previous statement of being 27 or over or have played in 7 seasons stands. if that's the case then Habs bit themselves in the butt and lost his rights for just an extra year.

So I guess the question falls down to, do you think Lindgren plays more than 17 games next year?


That might be the case. A healthy Price is good for 60+ starts, so hopefully Lindgren won't need to hit 17 games regardless, but at the very least, this contract removes the doubt as to where he ends up.
Removing Montoya from the picture and giving him a one way deal, shows a commitment to him as the backup. Prior to that, he would have had the option of leaving next year for sure.

It's a weird case where he was actually on the path to free agency in 1 year. So we both did, and did not, get 2 UFA years. Sticking Out Tongue
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Feb. 13, 2018 at 7:48 p.m.
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Quoting: ricochetii
That might be the case. A healthy Price is good for 60+ starts, so hopefully Lindgren won't need to hit 17 games regardless, but at the very least, this contract removes the doubt as to where he ends up.
Removing Montoya from the picture and giving him a one way deal, shows a commitment to him as the backup. Prior to that, he would have had the option of leaving next year for sure.

It's a weird case where he was actually on the path to free agency in 1 year. So we both did, and did not, get 2 UFA years. Sticking Out Tongue


Ya I still voted that it's a good deal for the Habs nod and Lindgren has Starter potential for sure, I still see him as the Habs best prospect.
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Feb. 14, 2018 at 10:24 a.m.
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Good deal for both parties. Montreal gets their backup for the next three years; and if Lindgren proves capability as a backup, this could lead to potential a starting job elsewhere while he's still young. Similar to what happened to Talbot, Jones, Raanta, etc.
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Feb. 14, 2018 at 1:24 p.m.
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this means price gets traded, jk
Feb. 14, 2018 at 3:26 p.m.
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Good value + good term = Good goalie!!


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this means price gets traded, jk


LOL, yup for future considerations
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Feb. 14, 2018 at 6:05 p.m.
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Good value + good term = Good goalie!!




LOL, yup for future considerations


no a conditional 7th round pick
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Feb. 14, 2018 at 6:47 p.m.
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no a conditional 7th round pick


Haha It could be considered overpayment.
Feb. 14, 2018 at 8:08 p.m.
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The extent to which Habs fans are breaking down this contract is so saddening. They got a guy to be a solid backup for three more seasons at a great value. But this doesn't mean that the Habs are going to instantly turn the ship around because they signed a backup goalie. It's not like cap space was an issue with them anyways.

Also, there's a $10.5M roadblock in his way for getting a significant amount of starts. Also, he's a UFA at the end of the deal, which just means he'll be traded elsewhere to get starts at some point during the last year of his contract.
Feb. 14, 2018 at 8:13 p.m.
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The extent to which Habs fans are breaking down this contract is so saddening. They got a guy to be a solid backup for three more seasons at a great value. But this doesn't mean that the Habs are going to instantly turn the ship around because they signed a backup goalie. It's not like cap space was an issue with them anyways.

Also, there's a $10.5M roadblock in his way for getting a significant amount of starts. Also, he's a UFA at the end of the deal, which just means he'll be traded elsewhere to get starts at some point during the last year of his contract.


I agree. He'll be a really good, cheap backup, but he'll walk at the end, or get traded.
Feb. 14, 2018 at 9:40 p.m.
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The extent to which Habs fans are breaking down this contract is so saddening. They got a guy to be a solid backup for three more seasons at a great value. But this doesn't mean that the Habs are going to instantly turn the ship around because they signed a backup goalie. It's not like cap space was an issue with them anyways.

Also, there's a $10.5M roadblock in his way for getting a significant amount of starts. Also, he's a UFA at the end of the deal, which just means he'll be traded elsewhere to get starts at some point during the last year of his contract.


I think that's the concern, he'll obviously be backing up Price over the course of his contract, but he does have the potential to turn into a Talbot, Raanta, Jones type #1 G. So it kinda sucks to see he'll be a UFA at the end of his deal, I guess the silver lining is if he actually does achieve starter potential, he could net something pretty decent in a trade. Let's just hope Habs don't let him walk for nothing.
Feb. 16, 2018 at 1:16 p.m.
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Quoting: krakowitz
The extent to which Habs fans are breaking down this contract is so saddening. They got a guy to be a solid backup for three more seasons at a great value. But this doesn't mean that the Habs are going to instantly turn the ship around because they signed a backup goalie. It's not like cap space was an issue with them anyways.

Also, there's a $10.5M roadblock in his way for getting a significant amount of starts. Also, he's a UFA at the end of the deal, which just means he'll be traded elsewhere to get starts at some point during the last year of his contract.


We are paying our Starter and Backup for 11.2 Million so its better than nothing and hopefully we do trade him for something to help us in other areas as our G depth is stacked
 
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