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Nash, Tavares, +

Created by: bobermay
Initial Creation Date: Feb 20, 2018
Published: Feb 20, 2018 at 8:18
Team: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Gauthier, Frédérik2$850,000
Nylander, William7$6,000,000
Johnsson, Andreas2$950,000
Aaltonen, Miro1$850,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Tavares, John7$10,000,000
Nash, Rick1$4,610,000
Rutta, Jan2$3,500,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Ozhiganov, Igor1$950,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Glendening, Luke
DET
  1. Gauthier, Frédérik
  2. Leivo, Josh
  3. 2019 7th round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. 2021 4th round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Martin, Matt ($750,000 retained)
TOR
  1. 2019 6th round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. McElhinney, Curtis
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Matt Martin: $750,000 (30%)
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2019
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
STL
TOR
TOR
EDM
2020
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
SJS
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
NYI
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$80,000,000$74,955,833$2,550,000$4,550,000$5,044,167
Left WingCenterRight Wing
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
Matthews, Auston
$925,000
C
UFA - 1
Nylander, William
$6,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 6
Nash, Rick
$4,610,000
LW, RW
UFA
Tavares, John
$10,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 7
Kapanen, Kasperi
$863,333
RW
RFA - 1
Marleau, Patrick
$6,250,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 2
Kadri, Nazem
$4,500,000
C
NTC
UFA - 4
Marner, Mitchell
$894,167
RW
UFA - 1
Johnsson, Andreas
$950,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Glendening, Luke
$1,800,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 3
Brown, Connor
$2,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Aaltonen, Miro
$850,000
C, LW, RW
RFA
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 4
Hainsey, Ron
$3,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
Gardiner, Jake
$4,050,000
LD
UFA - 1
Zaitsev, Nikita
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 6
Sparks, Garret
$675,000
G
UFA - 1
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 2
Rutta, Jan
$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
Borgman, Andreas
$925,000
LD
RFA - 1
Ozhiganov, Igor
$950,000
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 2

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Feb 20, 2018 at 8:30
#1
Ferda
Joined: Feb 2018
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I think a dark horse pays tavares not toronto. Save the money for auston
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Feb 20, 2018 at 9:30
#2
LongtimeLeafsufferer
Joined: Jul 2015
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Quoting: Jfstompers
I think a dark horse pays tavares not toronto. Save the money for auston


The reality is the Leafs have only 9m or so to spend on UFAs, So even Tavares is questionable without others players leaving. Why the Leafs need Nash?
Feb 21, 2018 at 10:59
#3
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bobermay
Joined: Jan 2018
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Quoting: palhal
The reality is the Leafs have only 9m or so to spend on UFAs, So even Tavares is questionable without others players leaving. Why the Leafs need Nash?


Replace JVR with some offense, but better defense.

I think the Leafs have more cap flexibility then most give them credit for. Could probably use picks/prospects to rid some contracts like Horton and Marleau to get some cap space to sign Matthews/Marner/etc next offseason.
Feb 21, 2018 at 10:59
#4
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bobermay
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Quoting: Jfstompers
I think a dark horse pays tavares not toronto. Save the money for auston


We should have enough Money for Auston and Marner the following season too...
Feb 21, 2018 at 12:15
#5
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: bobermay
We should have enough Money for Auston and Marner the following season too...


So, many folks don't realize the that the Performance Bonuses and when they when/should be paid, and how Horton's salary is calculated affects the cap. So actually 2018/19 is about the tightest amount of money available.
There were "plenty" of money available for Matthews, Marner, Kapanen Borgman in 2019/20.
Actually if the Leafs wanted to Tavares and maybe he took only 10m or so, the Leafs could do. But it would mean trading Gardiner for instance next season.
It is virtually impossible to get rid of Marleau's contract, he has NMC. The only way it happens if he retires and then it's easy move to rid of the cap hit. But no reason why Marleau should retire. It will be last chance for a Cup.
Horton's contract is impossible to move. While other most other LTIRs are fully insured, a team with big cap room don't mind acquiring this type of player. Horton's LTIR is unique is that it uninsured, and the owners of the Leafs pay 5.25m out of pocket every year to him. No other team want that. That is the reason the Leafs were able to trade Clarkson for Horton years ago. The owner of Columbus didn't want to pay out of pocket 5.25m for Horton, they would rather pay 5.25m for Clarkson and have him play.
Feb 21, 2018 at 3:30
#6
Ferda
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Quoting: palhal
So, many folks don't realize the that the Performance Bonuses and when they when/should be paid, and how Horton's salary is calculated affects the cap. So actually 2018/19 is about the tightest amount of money available.
There were "plenty" of money available for Matthews, Marner, Kapanen Borgman in 2019/20.
Actually if the Leafs wanted to Tavares and maybe he took only 10m or so, the Leafs could do. But it would mean trading Gardiner for instance next season.
It is virtually impossible to get rid of Marleau's contract, he has NMC. The only way it happens if he retires and then it's easy move to rid of the cap hit. But no reason why Marleau should retire. It will be last chance for a Cup.
Horton's contract is impossible to move. While other most other LTIRs are fully insured, a team with big cap room don't mind acquiring this type of player. Horton's LTIR is unique is that it uninsured, and the owners of the Leafs pay 5.25m out of pocket every year to him. No other team want that. That is the reason the Leafs were able to trade Clarkson for Horton years ago. The owner of Columbus didn't want to pay out of pocket 5.25m for Horton, they would rather pay 5.25m for Clarkson and have him play.


Like i said save the money for matthews
Feb 21, 2018 at 9:42
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Thread Starter
bobermay
Joined: Jan 2018
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Quoting: palhal
So, many folks don't realize the that the Performance Bonuses and when they when/should be paid, and how Horton's salary is calculated affects the cap. So actually 2018/19 is about the tightest amount of money available.
There were "plenty" of money available for Matthews, Marner, Kapanen Borgman in 2019/20.
Actually if the Leafs wanted to Tavares and maybe he took only 10m or so, the Leafs could do. But it would mean trading Gardiner for instance next season.
It is virtually impossible to get rid of Marleau's contract, he has NMC. The only way it happens if he retires and then it's easy move to rid of the cap hit. But no reason why Marleau should retire. It will be last chance for a Cup.
Horton's contract is impossible to move. While other most other LTIRs are fully insured, a team with big cap room don't mind acquiring this type of player. Horton's LTIR is unique is that it uninsured, and the owners of the Leafs pay 5.25m out of pocket every year to him. No other team want that. That is the reason the Leafs were able to trade Clarkson for Horton years ago. The owner of Columbus didn't want to pay out of pocket 5.25m for Horton, they would rather pay 5.25m for Clarkson and have him play.


We will have little-to-no ELC bonuses for 2019/2020 IF (and only if) we trade Horton. His contract IS tradeable, but we'll have to really sweeten the pot. Add a 1st + prospect/young player or something...

Marleau is going to get paid 1 million in his third season after his bonus in July. His contract will be very tradable IF he agrees to the trade.... A lot can happen between now and then, so we'll see. Regardless... we can probably keep Marleau too if we trade Horton this offseason...

Quoting: Jfstompers
Like i said save the money for matthews


We can afford both... and like I said above, we can probably even do it with Marleau (although it will be tight). Regardless, if Tavares is willing to sign with us in Free Agency, you do it... Its just propper asset management

2019/2020 with Marleau:
Hyman(2.25)-Matthews(10)-Nylander(6)
Grundstrom/Korshkov(0.925)-Tavares(10)-Kapanen(1.5)
Marleau(6.25)-Kadri(4.5)-Marner(6)
Johnsson(1)-Glendenning(1.8)-Brown(2.1)
Extra (0.975)

Rielly(5)-Rutta(3.5)
Dermott(0.863)-Zaitsev(4.5)
Borgman(1.5)-Liljegren(0.925)
Extras (2.75)

Andersen(5)
Sparks(0.75)

+ Kessel 1.2
+ Martin 0.75
+ 2 million ELC bonus carry-over (probably won't have our full 3.7, especially if we trade Horton).

This equals ~ 82 mil <- Realistic cap, especially if it increases to 80mil for next season.
Feb 21, 2018 at 10:41
#8
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: bobermay
We will have little-to-no ELC bonuses for 2019/2020 IF (and only if) we trade Horton. His contract IS tradeable, but we'll have to really sweeten the pot. Add a 1st + prospect/young player or something...

Marleau is going to get paid 1 million in his third season after his bonus in July. His contract will be very tradable IF he agrees to the trade.... A lot can happen between now and then, so we'll see. Regardless... we can probably keep Marleau too if we trade Horton this offseason...



We can afford both... and like I said above, we can probably even do it with Marleau (although it will be tight). Regardless, if Tavares is willing to sign with us in Free Agency, you do it... Its just propper asset management

2019/2020 with Marleau:
Hyman(2.25)-Matthews(10)-Nylander(6)
Grundstrom/Korshkov(0.925)-Tavares(10)-Kapanen(1.5)
Marleau(6.25)-Kadri(4.5)-Marner(6)
Johnsson(1)-Glendenning(1.8)-Brown(2.1)
Extra (0.975)

Rielly(5)-Rutta(3.5)
Dermott(0.863)-Zaitsev(4.5)
Borgman(1.5)-Liljegren(0.925)
Extras (2.75)

Andersen(5)
Sparks(0.75)

+ Kessel 1.2
+ Martin 0.75
+ 2 million ELC bonus carry-over (probably won't have our full 3.7, especially if we trade Horton).

This equals ~ 82 mil <- Realistic cap, especially if it increases to 80mil for next season.


I'll agree the Leafs don't have to use performance bonuses in that year and can carry it on to 2020/21. Horton's contract would not have to show on the opening day roster in 2019/20. I think it's just wishful thinking that Horton's contract can be traded, for a team to pay out 10.5m out of their pocket And wishful thinking that Marleau would retire just when the Leafs might have a chance at the Cup. If he's playing well, he not going to retire.
Now Martin's contract is easily traded in the summer of 2018, when he is owed just 2.5m in real dollars for the next two year combined.
It is the 2018/19 season that is a little tight.....only about 10m in UFA signings, cause PF form two seasons have to included and Horton's salary shown on the opening day roster.
That 13m wouldn't be showing in summer of 2019.
I can't see Nylander signing at 6m on a long term deal or even Marner 6m. And with the cap rising I don't see Matthews settling for Eichel 10m either. I just think the Leafs (or any team) can sign JT if he wants money that squeezes a number of other players of their due. That isn't proper asset management.
 
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