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(LAK / ARI) - Rieder, Wedgewood for Kuemper

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Feb 21, 2018 at 7:00
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A trade between Los Angeles Kings and Arizona Coyotes has been confirmed.
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Feb 21, 2018 at 7:03
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Habs4Ever
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Love this deal for LA
Feb 21, 2018 at 7:07
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Wtf is Arizona doing
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Feb 21, 2018 at 7:10
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Quoting: HockeyWise
Wtf is Arizona doing


Dahlin
Feb 21, 2018 at 7:10
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Habs4Ever
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Quoting: HockeyWise
Wtf is Arizona doing


To be fair Kuemper has put up Elite numbers this year but its behind LA
Feb 21, 2018 at 7:10
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Quoting: TabooPenguo
Dahlin


trying to Tank harder than the Habs lol
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Feb 21, 2018 at 7:11
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I'm confused ... did Arizona seriously do this?
Feb 21, 2018 at 7:12
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Backup goalies in LA must have the least job security in the NHL.
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Feb 21, 2018 at 7:12
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I thought I read this wrong at first. This trade makes zero sense for Arizona. The Kings run out like thieves.
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Feb 21, 2018 at 7:19
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AZ just traded a middle-six winger and a backup goalie for...a backup goalie.
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Feb 21, 2018 at 7:21
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rangersandislesfan
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Quoting: krakowitz
AZ just traded a middle-six winger and a backup goalie for...a backup goalie.


Wedgewood has potential to be a starter ... not saying he will be but he has that potential.
Feb 21, 2018 at 7:23
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Quoting: DarylthePony
I thought I read this wrong at first. This trade makes zero sense for Arizona. The Kings run out like thieves.


I had seen not long before that they were working on this deal but thought there was more going to Arizona ... when i saw this post i was thinking, 'Arizona must be getting a pick and it just isn't showing it in the title.' Bad deal for the Yotes i think.
Feb 21, 2018 at 7:25
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Confusing to say the least. Perhaps a precursor?
Arizona clears a contract and must have liked Kuemper a lot more than Wedgewood (don't blame them).
LA gets a decent winger, but nothing special. What do they plan to do if Quick misses time now? They have to be bringing in a better backup, right?
Feb 21, 2018 at 7:29
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What the heck is this deal!? Okay, LA wins. But what the heck?! rolling eyes
Feb 21, 2018 at 7:32
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Quoting: HockeyWise
Wtf is Arizona doing


I agree so much with you. Arizona is my 3rd favorite team and I am absolutely ticked at this deal. Reider is a good player who should be having 20 goal season at the least. Wedgewood sure hasn't had the best season but it doesn't mean he is junk. I think that John Chayka should be fired immediately! If he deals Domi I won't be impressed because I like Domi so much and feel that he can contribute alot. I have the same reaction as you when I seen this trade pop up on TSN. WTF Arizona!
Feb 21, 2018 at 7:35
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
To be fair Kuemper has put up Elite numbers this year but its behind LA


Analytics **** got over Chayka's head man. It's common af to see backup goaltenders have one good season. Doesn't mean he's elite lmao.
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Feb 21, 2018 at 7:47
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This is probably what happened.

Blake: "Hi John, we're offering Kuemper for Wedgewood and Rieder. Deal?"
Chayka: "Yep. Oh, sorry, what?"
Blake: "Too late."
lol squinty smile
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Feb 21, 2018 at 8:08
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As a note:



Also:

which... yeah, Rieder is a pending RFA, and this helps with other extensions down the line. I guess thinking of it as "Rieder for Kuemper, with Wedgewood as a throw-in to get down to 49 contracts" is more sensible and not unreasonable.
Feb 21, 2018 at 8:20
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Both Wedgewood and Rieder are also arbitration-eligible this off-season, so maybe that played into the thinking a little bit.

There's also a question that lies at the core of this trade: is Darcy Kuemper potentially a #1 goaltender? Raanta's a UFA, he might want to explore elsewhere, and behind him, there was only Wedgewood. Is Kuemper MORE ready than Wedgewood to potentially fill that role? I would say yes, which explains to me the immediate extension.

I'll be honest - I like this trade from both sides. Rieder has almost 300 games of NHL experience, and over 100 points. Wedgewood joins his third NHL team, still searching for consistent playing time. In Kuemper, Arizona gains a reliable #2 who may (at least possibly) be ready to be a #1. So, the Kings downgrade in goal (which, how much does that really matter when you have Quick?) in order to upgrade at the forward position. Makes sense. The Kings have 3 forwards in the top 150 in points this year. They need offense to survive.

I may not personally have pulled this trigger - but I don't see it as a fleecing, either. Just a gamble.
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Feb 21, 2018 at 8:25
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Quoting: ricochetii
Confusing to say the least. Perhaps a precursor?
Arizona clears a contract and must have liked Kuemper a lot more than Wedgewood (don't blame them).
LA gets a decent winger, but nothing special. What do they plan to do if Quick misses time now? They have to be bringing in a better backup, right?


I wonder if they'd be interested in a slightly-used Niemi? ?
Feb 21, 2018 at 8:38
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Kuemps has looked sharp this year. Much better than before. Whether he continues the form into next year. If he plays 35 games as well as he has done this year or takes the starting job, Chayka wins the trade. For now, LA is the clear winner
Feb 21, 2018 at 10:31
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I notice that not too many users on here are evaluating factors other than just general trade value. What needs to be provided is context.

I'll break it down as follows: Chayka quantitatively values another contract and the value replacement of Darcy Kuemper over Scott Wedgewood to be greater than the value of Scott Wedgewood and Tobias Reider. Chayka affirms that he has similar players in the minors that can produce similar results to Reider, also factoring into his value of the roster spot and contract spot.

Let's not fool ourselves here: Wedgewood's upside is whatever it is right now - a backup. Kuemper's upside is whatever it is right now - a backup. Reider's upside is whatever it is right now - a bottom-six winger.

Ultimately, this is the deal (from Chayka's perspective):

(Difference in value b/t Wedgewood and Kuemper + available roster spot + available contract spot) > (Wedgewood trade value + Reider trade value)
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Feb 22, 2018 at 8:02
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Quoting: phillyjabroni
I notice that not too many users on here are evaluating factors other than just general trade value. What needs to be provided is context.

I'll break it down as follows: Chayka quantitatively values another contract and the value replacement of Darcy Kuemper over Scott Wedgewood to be greater than the value of Scott Wedgewood and Tobias Reider. Chayka affirms that he has similar players in the minors that can produce similar results to Reider, also factoring into his value of the roster spot and contract spot.

Let's not fool ourselves here: Wedgewood's upside is whatever it is right now - a backup. Kuemper's upside is whatever it is right now - a backup. Reider's upside is whatever it is right now - a bottom-six winger.

Ultimately, this is the deal (from Chayka's perspective):

(Difference in value b/t Wedgewood and Kuemper + available roster spot + available contract spot) > (Wedgewood trade value + Reider trade value)


This is waaay over-thinking it. While this may have been part of why the deal was made, we can't ignore the fact that Chayka should have gotten more. Had he gotten, say, a third and a fifth as well, it doesn't look so bad for the Coyotes.

The whole contract dilemma may have played a part in the deal, but player value is what's most important. The Coyotes at least should have gotten draft picks in addition, because of the sheer difference in on-ice value of the players.
Feb 23, 2018 at 12:34
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lol:

If the Kings lose him on waivers, that would be hilarious (from a schadenfreude perspective)
Feb 23, 2018 at 2:56
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Could be Kuemper for Reider if Arizona claims Wedgewood lol
 
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