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(OTT / PIT / VGK) - 3-Way Derick Brassard Trade

Feb 23, 2018 at 3:01
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Edited Dec 7, 2018 at 8:38 by Banks
Trade confirmed:
Trade Details
Ottawa Senators Acquire:
Ottawa Senators
From PIT:
2018 1st round pick (PIT - #22 - K'Andre Miller)
2019 3rd round pick (PIT - #83)
Pittsburgh Penguins Acquire:
Pittsburgh Penguins
From VGK:
Derick Brassard ($2,000,000 retained - 40%)
From OTT:
2018 3rd round pick (OTT - #64 - Justus Annunen)
Vegas Golden Knights Acquire:
Vegas Golden Knights
From OTT:
From PIT:
2018 4th round pick (VAN - #99 - Slava Demin)
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Feb 23, 2018 at 3:02
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Quoting: Hockeylover360
Brassard to Pittsburgh for a 1st, goalie Gustavsson and other cap related elements. - Darren Dreger


Ian Cole
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Feb 23, 2018 at 3:04
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You spelt the title wrong lol
Feb 23, 2018 at 3:07
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Good return for Ottawa, the lack of centres on the market must've helped them get a good return.
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Feb 23, 2018 at 3:16
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Were waiting on the retained amount before adding the trade to the site. Hopefully will be released soon!
Feb 23, 2018 at 3:17
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Quoting: Jarvis
Were waiting on the retained amount before adding the trade to the site. Hopefully will be released soon!


Theres a retained amount? you sure
Feb 23, 2018 at 3:20
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Theres a retained amount? you sure


it is believed to be 18% on brassard but now pierre lebrun says there is still more information to follow
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Feb 23, 2018 at 3:29
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"Up to 18%" was what was reported. Waiting for an exact amount. Also sounds like there will be more in the trade.



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Feb 23, 2018 at 3:37
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Win-win trade. @Jarvis I think the 'more details' are actually another Cole trade (the Sens trading him) but i'm not sure ... well, that's what some are saying, i don't see it. Also, retained salary might be the details. Though if there's something else involved, i'd have to wonder if maybe PIT adds a later pick.
Feb 23, 2018 at 3:40
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Its mind blowing that every year PIT improves and I don't feel like they lose in the trades.
Feb 23, 2018 at 3:47
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Hmmm, this is interesting
Feb 23, 2018 at 5:39
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Mark Madden is saying brassards cap retention by two teams could be bringing his cap down to as low as 1.5mill

VGK sounds like t is selling cap space

This is some serious wizardry
Feb 23, 2018 at 5:40
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Quoting: MTF
Mark Madden is saying brassards cap retention by two teams could be bringing his cap down to as low as 1.5mill

VGK sounds like t is selling cap space

This is some serious wizardry


I doubt it's that high. Ottawa would have to eat 2 million for Vegas to be able to bring it down to 1.5.
Feb 23, 2018 at 5:41
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What is going on? First it looked like Brassard was traded for Gustavsson, Cole, and a 1st, and now something weird is happening ... no idea what's going on.
Feb 23, 2018 at 5:47
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Quoting: rangersandislesfan
What is going on? First it looked like Brassard was traded for Gustavsson, Cole, and a 1st, and now something weird is happening ... no idea what's going on.


Probably still the end result. My guess is Ottawa is taking Gus and the 1st. Vegas ends up with Cole and maybe sends a low pick Ottawa's way. In return, Vegas is eating a little of Brassard's salary first.
Feb 23, 2018 at 5:58
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Feb 23, 2018 at 6:02
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Wow, it looks like Pittsburgh just paid a pound of flesh for Brassard.

What is Vegas going to want to retain salary? One could only imagine a pick and prospect. I cant imagine Vegas offering to retain salary for no reason.. They have to be getting something worth while...

Sounds like a very complicated deal with the salary retention... Certainly not your common 3-way.

To Pittsburgh: Brassard (% retained), 2018 Seventh Round Pick (Vgk)
To Ottawa: Cole, Gustavsson, 2018 First Round PIck (Pit)
To Vegas: Pit prospect, 2018 Second Round Pick (Pit)

So one could imagine this is going to cost Pittsburgh; Cole, Gustavsson, 2018 First Round Pick, 2019 Second Round Pick & prospect.

That's a lot for a rental.
Feb 23, 2018 at 6:09
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Quoting: HawksFan28
Wow, it looks like Pittsburgh just paid a pound of flesh for Brassard.

What is Vegas going to want to retain salary? One could only imagine a pick and prospect. I cant imagine Vegas offering to retain salary for no reason.. They have to be getting something worth while...

Sounds like a very complicated deal with the salary retention... Certainly not your common 3-way.

To Pittsburgh: Brassard (% retained), 2018 Seventh Round Pick (Vgk)
To Ottawa: Cole, Gustavsson, 2018 First Round PIck (Pit)
To Vegas: Pit prospect, 2018 Second Round Pick (Pit)

So one could imagine this is going to cost Pittsburgh; Cole, Gustavsson, 2018 First Round Pick, 2019 Second Round Pick & prospect.

That's a lot for a rental.


He's not a rental
Feb 23, 2018 at 6:10
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Wow, it looks like Pittsburgh just paid a pound of flesh for Brassard.

What is Vegas going to want to retain salary? One could only imagine a pick and prospect. I cant imagine Vegas offering to retain salary for no reason.. They have to be getting something worth while...

Sounds like a very complicated deal with the salary retention... Certainly not your common 3-way.

To Pittsburgh: Brassard (% retained), 2018 Seventh Round Pick (Vgk)
To Ottawa: Cole, Gustavsson, 2018 First Round PIck (Pit)
To Vegas: Pit prospect, 2018 Second Round Pick (Pit)

So one could imagine this is going to cost Pittsburgh; Cole, Gustavsson, 2018 First Round Pick, 2019 Second Round Pick & prospect.

That's a lot for a rental.


Brassard isn't a rental, and where did you find out about the 2nd and the prospect?
Feb 23, 2018 at 6:32
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Quoting: HawksFan28
Wow, it looks like Pittsburgh just paid a pound of flesh for Brassard.

What is Vegas going to want to retain salary? One could only imagine a pick and prospect. I cant imagine Vegas offering to retain salary for no reason.. They have to be getting something worth while...

Sounds like a very complicated deal with the salary retention... Certainly not your common 3-way.

To Pittsburgh: Brassard (% retained), 2018 Seventh Round Pick (Vgk)
To Ottawa: Cole, Gustavsson, 2018 First Round PIck (Pit)
To Vegas: Pit prospect, 2018 Second Round Pick (Pit)

So one could imagine this is going to cost Pittsburgh; Cole, Gustavsson, 2018 First Round Pick, 2019 Second Round Pick & prospect.

That's a lot for a rental.


THAT IS A MERCHANT OF VENICE REFERANCE
Feb 23, 2018 at 6:38
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So I guess the deal is canceled for now. Will probably get done soon though. I don't see how one of the GMs can back out at this point.



Feb 23, 2018 at 6:48
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Quoting: Blazingbat11
So I guess the deal is canceled for now. Will probably get done soon though. I don't see how one of the GMs can back out at this point.





LeBrun followed that up with a tweet saying the general sentiment is that the deal will still get done somehow.
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Feb 23, 2018 at 7:07
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Quoting: MTF
Mark Madden is saying brassards cap retention by two teams could be bringing his cap down to as low as 1.5mill

VGK sounds like t is selling cap space

This is some serious wizardry


One of those questions I had without a precedent (that I could find).

Sounds like ...
Ottawa retains some of Brassard's contract and sends him to Vegas.
Vegas retains on Brassard as well, then sends him to Pittsburgh.
Then Pittsburgh sends pieces to both teams to account for the retention, as well as additional pieces to Ottawa for the original value of Brassard.

If that's what they tried to do, and the league stepped in, it seems like that falls under the guidelines of cap circumvention in some capacity.
Feb 23, 2018 at 7:14
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Quoting: ricochetii
One of those questions I had without a precedent (that I could find).

Sounds like ...
Ottawa retains some of Brassard's contract and sends him to Vegas.
Vegas retains on Brassard as well, then sends him to Pittsburgh.
Then Pittsburgh sends pieces to both teams to account for the retention, as well as additional pieces to Ottawa for the original value of Brassard.

If that's what they tried to do, and the league stepped in, it seems like that falls under the guidelines of cap circumvention in some capacity.


It's an interesting situation without precedent.

Let's say Vegas, in theory, sends their 2018 1st round pick to Ottawa for Brassard (50% retained).
Pittsburgh then sends Cole, Gustavsson, and their 2018 1st to Ottawa for Vegas's 2018 1st.
Pittsburgh then sends Vegas's 2018 1st back as well as, say a future 2nd or 3rd round pick, to Vegas for Brassard (50% retained).

It's' clearly a premeditated move to lower a player's cap cost, but I don't see how it breaks any rules that I'm aware of in the CBA...
Feb 23, 2018 at 7:34
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Quoting: mtdavis311
It's an interesting situation without precedent.

Let's say Vegas, in theory, sends their 2018 1st round pick to Ottawa for Brassard (50% retained).
Pittsburgh then sends Cole, Gustavsson, and their 2018 1st to Ottawa for Vegas's 2018 1st.
Pittsburgh then sends Vegas's 2018 1st back as well as, say a future 2nd or 3rd round pick, to Vegas for Brassard (50% retained).

It's' clearly a premeditated move to lower a player's cap cost, but I don't see how it breaks any rules that I'm aware of in the CBA...


Maybe they tried to do it in 2 deals.
 
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