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forcing LAK's hand

Created by: MTLaveragefan
Team: 2017-18 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 25, 2018
Published: Feb. 25, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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the LAK trade would jumpstart our rebuild by 2 years or even more

add a top 5 draft pick and in 2-3 year we will be back on top
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Vilardi, gabriel
3$900,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. 2018 2nd round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
CF forgot to add it
TOR
2.
MTL
  1. Clague, Kale
  2. 2018 1st round pick (LAK)
Additional Details:
Gab Vilardi

+ we will take a cap dump
LAK
  1. Byron, Paul
  2. Pacioretty, Max
  3. 2018 2nd round pick (WSH)
Additional Details:
more than patch -> we give Byron extra + a 2nd round
3.
MTL
  1. 2018 4th round pick (FLA)
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (CGY)
Additional Details:
any picks
CGY
  1. Niemi, Antti
  2. Schlemko, David
Additional Details:
Nemo is back to his BlackHawks days. entering the playoff with an experienced goalie is something to look forward. Add Schlemko for D depth
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2018
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2019
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2020
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$75,000,000$57,426,308$0$607,500$17,573,692
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$650,000$650,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
$912,500$912,500
C
UFA - 1
$4,900,000$4,900,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 3
$839,166$839,166
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 6
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$725,000$725,000
LW
UFA - 1
$3,900,000$3,900,000
C, RW
UFA - 5
$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$725,000$725,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
$650,000$650,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Vilardi, gabriel
$900,000$900,000
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$748,333$748,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
LD/RD
UFA - 3
$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 9
$6,500,000$6,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 1
$4,625,000$4,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 5
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
$863,333$863,333
RD
UFA - 3
$700,000$700,000
G
UFA - 1
$792,500$792,500
LD/RD
RFA - 4
$650,000$650,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 1

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Feb. 25, 2018 at 12:32 p.m.
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Edited Feb. 25, 2018 at 12:44 p.m.
That's good, but Habs can force LA to give up more. The price of UFA's like Nash is high.. Imagine Pacioretty who adds to 2 playoffs runs at the cheap salary of 4.5m....
What I'm expecting to get in return : Toffoli+Vilardi+1st or if LA rlly doesnt want to give up roster player : Vilardi+1st+Clague
I know it sounds like why too much, but that's because it is, and that how the market is right now.
Feb. 25, 2018 at 12:37 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyWise
That's good, but Habs can force LA to give up more. The price of UFA's like Nash is high.. Imagine Pacioretty who adds to 2 playoffs runs at the cheap salary of 4.5m....
What I'm expecting to get in return : Toffoli+Vilardi+1st or if LA rlly doesnt want to give up roster player : Vilardi+1st+Clague+2nd
I know it sounds like why too much, but that's because it is, and that how the market is right now.



true, but you still want that trade to go through!

-> if you ask too much and miss your window... his value will drop next season!

i don't mind (well i do mind loosing Byron) paying a bit more for what we are getting!

a first mean we could draft a top 5 and a top 20 -> you know like Tkachuk and Veleno -> so in one year we would have Clague, Vilardi, Tkachuk, Veleno and a bunch of 2nd pick! we would have almost completed our rebuild in 2-3 years !
Feb. 25, 2018 at 12:39 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyWise
That's good, but Habs can force LA to give up more. The price of UFA's like Nash is high.. Imagine Pacioretty who adds to 2 playoffs runs at the cheap salary of 4.5m....
What I'm expecting to get in return : Toffoli+Vilardi+1st or if LA rlly doesnt want to give up roster player : Vilardi+1st+Clague+2nd
I know it sounds like why too much, but that's because it is, and that how the market is right now.


Toffoli valardi and a first for paches? No way L.A. does this TT is a part of that's 70's line an has insane chemistry with Carter
Feb. 25, 2018 at 12:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Dylan1995
Toffoli valardi and a first for paches? No way L.A. does this TT is a part of that's 70's line an has insane chemistry with Carter


I agree, a playoff-bound team doesn't want to mess with the Chemistry. That's why they empty the picks and prospect first
Feb. 25, 2018 at 12:44 p.m.
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Can the Canadiens just try to be patient with trades for once?
Feb. 25, 2018 at 12:47 p.m.
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Quoting: Club_de_Hockey_le_Canadien
Can the Canadiens just try to be patient with trades for once?


I feel this trade would be very good for the Habs -> but yeah... we don't HAVE to trade him. The chances are that we trade him at the draft -> you get a fairer value then
Feb. 25, 2018 at 12:48 p.m.
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Quoting: MTLaveragefan
I feel this trade would be very good for the Habs -> but yeah... we don't HAVE to trade him. The chances are that we trade him at the draft -> you get a fairer value then


You also know what overall selection you will get if you make the deal.
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Feb. 25, 2018 at 12:52 p.m.
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Anyone who thinks Tyler Toffoli is coming back in a Patches trade with LA is out of their minds.
LA would be out of their minds as well to do such a deal as it would take a significant piece of their roster out when they're not even in the playoffs.
A better assumption would be Patches (50% retained - 2.25M) + 2nd round pick for Vilardi + 1st.
Feb. 25, 2018 at 12:59 p.m.
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Anyone who thinks Tyler Toffoli is coming back in a Patches trade with LA is out of their minds.
LA would be out of their minds as well to do such a deal as it would take a significant piece of their roster out when they're not even in the playoffs.
A better assumption would be Patches (50% retained - 2.25M) + 2nd round pick for Vilardi + 1st.


you are missing an element there -> That's what R.Nash got... Patch is a constant 30+ goal scorer at 4.5M for 2 years... you are not getting him for peanuts. You begin with Vilardi and a first - that is the basis of the trade, Then LAK adds a few things
Feb. 25, 2018 at 1:15 p.m.
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Quoting: MTLaveragefan
you are missing an element there -> That's what R.Nash got... Patch is a constant 30+ goal scorer at 4.5M for 2 years... you are not getting him for peanuts. You begin with Vilardi and a first - that is the basis of the trade, Then LAK adds a few things


I agree LA may need to add a few things (especially if MTL is retaining salary) - much like the Pleks trade recently.
BUT, LA can not afford to give up Toffoli in the hopes of bringing in Patches - it would be counterproductive - who would be their 2C ???
Remember, they're not in the playoffs yet - the point of getting Patches is to MAKE the playoffs and have a deep run - you're not going to do that giving up your 2C and 2nd best goal scorer.
Feb. 25, 2018 at 1:56 p.m.
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I agree LA may need to add a few things (especially if MTL is retaining salary) - much like the Pleks trade recently.
BUT, LA can not afford to give up Toffoli in the hopes of bringing in Patches - it would be counterproductive - who would be their 2C ???
Remember, they're not in the playoffs yet - the point of getting Patches is to MAKE the playoffs and have a deep run - you're not going to do that giving up your 2C and 2nd best goal scorer.


I never asked for Toffolie (I'm the author of this post). I agree, it would make no sense !
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