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Without Condon, Burrows and Gaborik contracts

Created by: Xspyrit
Team: 2018-19 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 28, 2018
Published: Feb. 28, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
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5$4,200,000
2$1,200,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
8$7,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,200,000
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$75,000,000$62,129,166$0$1,392,500$12,870,834
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$5,187,500$5,187,500
LW
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
$7,250,000$7,250,000
RW, LW
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UFA - 4
$3,250,000$3,250,000
LW, C
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UFA - 3
$3,100,000$3,100,000
C
UFA - 2
$7,500,000$7,500,000
RW
UFA - 1
$1,800,000$1,800,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
$728,333$728,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
C
UFA - 2
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, RW
UFA - 1
$650,000$650,000
LW
UFA - 1
$800,000$800,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
$1,100,000$1,100,000
C
UFA - 1
$650,000$650,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$1,200,000$1,200,000
LD
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RD
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
G
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$360,000$360K)
LD
UFA - 2
$4,200,000$4,200,000
RD
UFA - 1
$1,200,000$1,200,000
LD
UFA - 2
$1,200,000$1,200,000
RD
UFA - 1
$800,000$800,000
G
UFA - 1
$725,000$725,000
LD
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ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
$4,650,000$4,650,000
LW
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UFA - 2
$4,875,000$4,875,000
RW
UFA - 3
$2,400,000$2,400,000
G
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
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Feb. 28, 2018 at 3:23 a.m.
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that Ceci contract makes me want to cry
Feb. 28, 2018 at 8:01 a.m.
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Unfortunately for Sens they have to account for all those players on LTIR (well except MacArthur).
Mar. 12, 2018 at 3:44 p.m.
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Unfortunately for Sens they have to account for all those players on LTIR (well except MacArthur).


Sorry for the long delay before answering but the point here was not to put them on LTIR, which should only happen with MacArthur. It was just to see the situation without those contracts, which are IMO the first 3 contracts the team needs to get rid of.
Mar. 12, 2018 at 6:12 p.m.
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Sorry for the long delay before answering but the point here was not to put them on LTIR, which should only happen with MacArthur. It was just to see the situation without those contracts, which are IMO the first 3 contracts the team needs to get rid of.


Yeah its really hard to get rid of bad contracts. Good teams are near the cap, poor teams are teams even close to the bottom don't want to pay for non performers. At least Burrows and Condon deals end soon but Gaborik and Ryan seem to have contracts that are virtually untradeable, without giving up picks or getting back equally bad contracts. Think the Sens (and their fans) are just going to suck it up for a few years.
Mar. 14, 2018 at 12:42 p.m.
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Yeah its really hard to get rid of bad contracts. Good teams are near the cap, poor teams are teams even close to the bottom don't want to pay for non performers. At least Burrows and Condon deals end soon but Gaborik and Ryan seem to have contracts that are virtually untradeable, without giving up picks or getting back equally bad contracts. Think the Sens (and their fans) are just going to suck it up for a few years.


1) They could buyout Burrows. It would cost $833,333 in 2018-19 and $833,333 in 2019-20

The cap hit for 2018-19 remains of $2,500,000 but who cares? Team will be under the cap.

Benefit is that it leaves a spot to a younger guy and the team saves $833,333 in real cash in the process while spreading the rest of the salary owed on 2 years. Of course, in the end you don't save much because you need to pay the guy replacing him so I'm not too sure they would go with that option.

They could possibly trade him (back to Vancouver to end his career?), but might have to retain up to $1,000,000 to be able to do it. They save $1,500,000, replace him by McCormick who makes $650,000 next year (already on a 1-way anyway) and save $850,000 in the process

2) Gaborik I'm not too sure what will happen with that but maybe he plays in 2018-19 and then retires after that saving the team some significant money ($6,250,000 spread on 2 years) when the Duchene and EK extensions kick in.

If not, buying him out would be spreading a cost of $1,202,778 over the next 6 years but that would allow the team to save $3,608,332 in real cash in the process (BUT $7,216,664 in the first 3 years which is where they might want to save money the most). Again, who cares about the cap hit? Same with Burrows, allows a younger, faster, hungrier guy to make his mark.

3) Condon... Buying him out saves the team $3,666,666 in real cash on the first 2 years ($1,833,333 total on the whole 4 years)

Or retaining and trade him could be an option.

Of course, many other possibilities, like part of bigger trades, etc.

4) Ryan you are not in a rush to trade him. The team needs to hit the cap floor and he is still a top-6 forward when healthy. Of course all these injuries affect his production but there's definitely not 6 forwards on the team better than him right now.

OR, if they retain on his salary (like $2,000,000 per season ), they could find takers and actually get an asset or two. Ryan at $5,250,000 per season for 4 years seems reasonable and a team could go with this.

Buying him out could be an option too. Save $1,833,333 per year in the first 4 seasons (but only $7,333,333 over 8 years in the end)

Personally, I'd prefer to have him on the team until we have 6 better top-6 forwards than him. It depends on how long it takes for Brown, White, Chlapik, Batherson, Formenton, Gagne and possibly the first round picks in the upcoming draft. Of course, they will not all become top-6 forwards but several of them should.
Mar. 14, 2018 at 2:13 p.m.
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1) They could buyout Burrows. It would cost $833,333 in 2018-19 and $833,333 in 2019-20

I'll agree with you with Burrows and maybe even Condon might be bought out. But isn't it a Sens fan/management a dream that Gaborik is just going to retire to save the team 9.7m in cap space? Highly unlikely. One good thing about Gaborik is that he's on on LTIR often, so maybe that saves cap space but certainly you can plan your cap around that.
Again it a fallacy that teams can send overpaid players to near floor teams. First there probably no teams that close to the cap that they need help. Second, teams like Arizona or even Las Vegas, obtain LTIR players to up their cap. But LTIRs don't actually cost teams actually $$$$$. So if Arizona is going to spend 7.25m a year for four years, they might as well sign a good UFA, rather than accepting a non value player like Ryan.
Ryan a top 6 forward? For whatever reasons he isn't, I just think you can't ever sell that to any team that he is good anymore especially at high $$$$ hit.
Mar. 19, 2018 at 4:30 p.m.
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ok but you think it's easy to sign a "good UFA" and not end up with Laad at 6.0, Lucic at 6.0 or Backes at 6.0? Or maybe 37 y/o Marleau at 6.25 is a better idea? Shattenkirk at 6.65?

Ryan is overpaid, but he's better than many players paid over 5.0

He had a bad season last year cuz he was keep getting injured but he has been a 0.70 PPG the 5 years prior, consistently. That's 1st line numbers

This season, he is still getting injured too often but has a better pace than last year, 0.53 PPG. That's not great but that'still 2nd line numbers (top 186 forwards in the league). I think if he could be injury free a full season, he could still put over 50 points playing with other top-6 forwards.

The best way to trade Ryan IMO is to retain the part of his cap hit that is overpaid. If the team trading for him think he should be paid 5.5 per, then Ottawa retains 1.75 per. In that scenario, that would be like if that team was signing him 4 years at 5.5 per
 
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