I see where you're coming from. But no way in hell I would trade Batherson for.... Kris Russell.

But you can't say Nuge is better than Hoff. The value is realllly close I'd say. If EDM really does want Drai at C and Nuge on the wing, you're much better off with Hoff playing beside McD over Nuge.

Hoff has better numbers and is on a better deal. Value is very similar. Kinda makes sense for both teams.

Russell is actually a very underrated defenseman. He leads the NHL in shot blocks, and i know shot blocks don't say a ton about how good a play is, but if you lead the league in shot blocks, that's pretty good.

But i agree Ottawa says no for sure. Batherson has a ton of potential and Hoffman is a very good player.

No Russell is bad. You can block shots, but if you can't make a breakout pass or defend an odd man rush at least a bit, you aren't good.

But anyways... #KEEPNUGEFOREVER

Isn't Hoffman like 25?

The age gap isn't applicable here..

Besides, it's not like RNH is anything special anyway... RNH is an average first line er very good second like forward.

Also, I would love to know what "older" is in hockey terms.

Hoffman is 28. He's older, but also a faster playmaking winger with an incredible shot. the term of the contract is what comes into play. Two years of Hoffman with 800k less per year cap hit than Nuge at 4 years.

Nuge only has one more year than Hoffman. 3 and 2 respectively.

Why is Edmonton so eager to dump RNH?

They already have their main guys locked up long-term.

Besides, if Edmonton needs anything it's veteran players that know how to win Cups, swapping out RNH for Hoffman is a lateral move at best outside of the financial aspect.

What Edmonton should do (and I say this as a hockey fan NOT as a Hawks fan) is make Bowman an offer for Seabrook, because he's exactly what Edmonton needs - he's a leader both on and off the ice that knows how to win Cups, that knows what it takes to win Cups.... Seabrook is the type of player you want around younger kids that have potential and talent to win.... Seabrook is ideal for any of these young teams like Edmonton, Toronto or Winnipeg, but I think Edmonton could use him the most...

And trust me I know Seabrook's contract is an issue, but letting a contract get in the way of perhaps bringing Cups to Edmonton would just be the wrong move... Seabrook wouldn't be available if it wasn't for his cap hit, and the Hawks already have leaders that won Cups obviously so Seabrooks skill-set does the Hawks no good, but he could work magic on other teams....

Of course Edmonton could go the Sharp or Ian Cole route, but neither of those guys are legitimate captain material - sure they will bring a winning attitude and can lead to some extent but Seabrook is "thee guy" you want around young kids with the talent and drive to win.

Of course those qualities are why Seabrook got his contract in the first place, Bowman clearly forgot the Hawks already have Toews and have already won 3 Cups lol.

blatantly false. one can play centre and wing AND put up similar numbers, the other player is only a left winger and is older. nuge>Hoffman, not really that close

oh man i was with u until you said we should trade for an AHL player making 6.85 for 7 more years

That's exactly why i think he's underrated. Because people keep saying how he's a bottom pairing d-man. He does stuff other than just blocking shots, that's just his main thing. And if you're NUMBER ONE in the league in shot blocks, come on, you'd have to say that's pretty good. It's almost like making a save as the goalie.

RNH is kinda underrated actually, but Hoffman's still better IMO.

C'mon.........In what universe is Seabrook an AHL player? he's better or just as good as ANY defenseman the Oilers presently have...

Seabrook gets and ULTRA bad rap........ You do you know that just because a player has a bad contract DOESN'T mean he's a bad player....

I mean it's hilarious, some people would take the #7 defenseman that is paid appropriately for a #7 defenseman than the legitimate top 4 defensman that is superior to the #7 but is overpaid.....

I'm baffled at peoples logic sometimes....

Seabrook would significantly improve any young team he goes to..... The only teams he wouldn't be a benefit to would be LA and Pittsburgh..

So yea, don't confuse bad contract with bad player..

I agree, RNH is more than adequate - but I think some people expect more out of him because he was a first overall pick.

RNH isn't a bust by any means, but he's not the best player from his draft and he's not "superstar" material either.... He's "RNH" and you know what you're getting with him.

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In what way? They have the same p/gp this year, Nugent-Hopkins plays a more important position and is four years younger. RNH is also much better defensively.

RNH 0.692 pts/game
Hoffman 0.710 pts/game

they've been supposedly dumping him for like two years now, if they were so eager he'd be elsewhere by now. it's the media and some fans, not the team.

And your point is...?

RNH is on a 57 point pace
Hoff is on a 58 point pace

Whoop-de-doo.

The thing is it's not like the Oilers "have to" move him, I think moving RNH is just wishful thinking by the Oilers fans for some reason.

I know Oilers fans will absolutely disagree with this and will WRONGLY be insulted by this but Seabrook & the RFA rights to Duclair for RNH would actually make the Oilers a better team (he would also be their best defenseman)... Seabrooks leadership would make the Oilers a playoff team and perhaps even get them a deep playoff run..... But Edmonton clearly thinks they can just draft themselves a Cup without making significant signings or trades... They think if they draft good enough a Cup will just fall in their lap because 10 top 5 picks on one team = Stanley Cup, lol.

At the very least they should sign Sharp and Ian Cole...

Connor McDavid is great and a generational talent for sure but he's no Toews....

What else does he do? Yeah sure it's a positive to block shots. But you say he does other things, and I don't see it. He doesn't put up points, he doesn't have a heavy shot, doesn't move the puck well at all... I just don't see it.

Stop trying to make it sound like Seabrook is anything but a washed up D-man making a ton of money hahahahaha

Doesn't put up points? He's on pace for 25 points this season which is pretty good considering he averages 14 seconds of 5x4 time per game.

Quit making it seem as if he is.....

A "washed up" Seabrook would be the best defenseman on your team....

Sure, he gets paid too much BUT calling him "washed up" is hyperbolic .... It's a lie, it's NOT accurate - it's nothing more than innuendo manifested by 16-year-old hockey "fans" that wouldn't know the first thing about building a contender.....

Seabrook has only averaged the same amount of PPG as RNH has over the last several seasons.....

Seabrook is a LEGITIMATE top 4 defenseman - he's still responsible in his own end and he can still put up points.... He's no where CLOSE to bottom pairing and he would be without question be the Oilers best defenseman....

Seabrook was once a top 10 defenseman in the league, he's not top 10 anymore, however that doesn't mean he's bottom pairing - it just means he's no longer top 10.....

Sorry but not being worth 6.875 million until your 40 DOES NOT mean "not good".....

Seriously...... Oilers fans laughing at Seabrook is hysterical tho considering Seabrook is absolutely everything the Oilers need to win , yet he's been called "bottom paring" and "fringe AHL'er"..... Seriously?? Seabrook is having an off year and he still put up 21 points so far playing 20 minutes a night...... Heck, last season Seabrook put up 40 points..

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/seabrbr01.html

Do those states look terrible to you??

no it means he never has the puck and is ALWAYS out of position. if he was a good dman the other team wouldnt be taking those shots and he would have gotten the puck back already. instead he just lets them dummy him until talbot covers or they score