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More realistic Bobby Ryan deal?

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The top 9 also has plenty of flexibility. Could see lines being Saad-Toews-Ryan, Dzingel-Schmaltz-Kane, ADB-Sikura-Hino or something like Dzingel-Toews-ADB, Ryan-Schmaltz-Kane, Saad-Sikura-Hino
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Mar. 15, 2018 at 7:11 p.m.
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I think Ryan for Seabrook is more of a fair hockey deal

With another expansion draft looming it frees up a spot on the blueline for CHI to protect with Seabrook moved
Mar. 15, 2018 at 7:12 p.m.
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I think Ryan for Seabrook is more of a fair hockey deal

With another expansion draft looming it frees up a spot on the blueline for CHI to protect with Seabrook moved

I'd agree, but Ottawa wants to lose the bad contract. They aren't going to want to take on another bad one in place of Ryan. Seabrook's is two years longer anyway, and only about $400k less per year.
Mar. 15, 2018 at 8:04 p.m.
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Someone actually wants Bobby Ryan?
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Mar. 15, 2018 at 8:13 p.m.
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Someone actually wants Bobby Ryan?

With the hope that with Kane he could become his old self again.
Mar. 15, 2018 at 8:16 p.m.
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With the hope that with Kane he could become his old self again.


Should have just kept and paid Panarin.
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Mar. 15, 2018 at 8:29 p.m.
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With the hope that with Kane he could become his old self again.


Makes sense. Why not for Seabrook with a million retained off Seabrook?
Mar. 15, 2018 at 9:07 p.m.
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Makes sense. Why not for Seabrook with a million retained off Seabrook?

Because Ottawa wants to get rid of Ryan's money. Bringing in Seabrook defeats the purpose.
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Mar. 15, 2018 at 9:17 p.m.
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Hossa for Ryan. Win/win.
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Mar. 15, 2018 at 9:25 p.m.
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With the hope that with Kane he could become his old self again.


Trouble in paradise?
Mar. 16, 2018 at 3:19 p.m.
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No way..... I wouldn't touch Bobby Ryan at full salary without that top 5 pick...

Besides, Melnyk wants to dump Bobby Ryan to rid himself of salary as a whole.. He doesn't want salary coming back. Melnyk has been bleeding green the last 10 years. He has lost something like 100 million over the last 10 years......

I would do that deal ONLY if $2,250,000 was retained (35%)..

I could live with Bobby Ryan at $5,000,000 per over the next 4 seasons...

But like I said, Melnyk isn't going to go for that because he's trying to slash payroll and taking on Anisimov (er more when you consider Duclair as well) doesn't help Melnyk's goal at all.

I could see a deal like this:

Duclair for Bobby Ryan (35% retained) & a second round pick..

Because then I suppose Melnyk would save at least 3 million...

A better deal would be Hossa & Duclair for Ryan (@ 5.275 per) & second round pick..

Bobby Ryan at full salary tho WILL ABSOLUTELY cost Ottawa that top 5 pick tho -- there is no question about it..

Look, Bowman had to give up Teuvo Teravainen to dump Bryan Bickell's 3-year $4,000,000 per contract.. Heck it took a first & second round pick from Columbus to get Vegas to take David Clarkson....

Duclair & Nashville's 2018 first round pick for Ryan and Ottawa's 2018 top 5 pick would really only be the only way I would take Ryan.....OH, and there is absolutely no way Melynk can move Ryan for anything less than that..... No team will demand anything less than that for Ryan... Melnyk is in no position to be making demands, he's the one trying to trade a liability - a NEGATIVE...... To make matters worse the only team I can see even having interest in Bobby Ryan and the cap space to make it happen are the Blackhawks and to pile it on Bobby Ryan has a NMC........
Mar. 16, 2018 at 3:22 p.m.
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I think you might be the only person I know that is actively trying to get Ryan. Confused

I can see a Ryan for Seabrook type of trade though. That at least makes some sort of sense.
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Mar. 16, 2018 at 3:25 p.m.
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Hossa for Ryan. Win/win.


Sure, Ryan at 5.275 per I would do it.

Hossa only has a 1 million dollar salary, and Melnyk's goal is to cut salary not add salary so he would save 4.275 on that deal...
Mar. 16, 2018 at 3:30 p.m.
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I think you might be the only person I know that is actively trying to get Ryan. Confused

I can see a Ryan for Seabrook type of trade though. That at least makes some sort of sense.


Dude, Melnyk is trying to cut payroll he doesn't want salary back.... I would love to send him Seabrook but doing so would defeat the purpose of what Melnyk is trying to accomplish.

That's why Ryan and the top 5 pick for Nashville's first round pick is a sweetheart deal.... Ottawa still walks away from the draft with a first round pick and without Ryans contract/salary..

That's the only way I think a Ryan deal can work for any team........ Trading Ryan is more about finances than hockey.
Mar. 16, 2018 at 3:36 p.m.
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Dude, Melnyk is trying to cut payroll he doesn't want salary back.... I would love to send him Seabrook but doing so would defeat the purpose of what Melnyk is trying to accomplish.

That's why Ryan and the top 5 pick for Nashville's first round pick is a sweetheart deal.... Ottawa still walks away from the draft with a first round pick and without Ryans contract/salary..

That's the only way I think a Ryan deal can work for any team........ Trading Ryan is more about finances than hockey.


Once again, why is Chicago doing this trade then? I totally understand Ottawa trying to move that albatross of a contract.... Dzingel is decent but he's not much of an incentive to get Ryan. Hawks lose Anisimov and Duclair in the process...... if anything its 2 steps back, 2.1 steps forward. Barely worth it.
Mar. 16, 2018 at 3:44 p.m.
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Should have just kept and paid Panarin.


If the Hawks don't have come up with a long-term solution on #2 LW you can bet Panarin will be that solution in the summer of 2019 when Panarin is a UFA.

This summer should give us some indication on if Bowman plans to do that.

This UFA class/offseason has plenty of long-term solutions for Bowman to fix that hole with JvR, Kovalchuk, Perron and Neal all being UFA's and Bobby Ryan basically available for nothing.. If Bowman doesn't fill that hole or only signs a guy to a one year deal then you know he will be targeting Panarin in the summer of 2019.. I suspected Bowman's plan was to sign Panarin as a UFA all along...
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Mar. 16, 2018 at 4:07 p.m.
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Once again, why is Chicago doing this trade then? I totally understand Ottawa trying to move that albatross of a contract.... Dzingel is decent but he's not much of an incentive to get Ryan. Hawks lose Anisimov and Duclair in the process...... if anything its 2 steps back, 2.1 steps forward. Barely worth it.


The Hawks have a second line LW hole and Bobby Ryan would be a good fit there, however Melnyk only trades Ryan if salary isn't coming back so this proposed trade wouldn't happen because it defeats the purpose of what Melnyk is trying to do which is clear payroll.

However there are other trades scenarios that make more sense and accomplish what Melnyk is trying to accomplish:

1. Bobby Ryan (@ 5.275 per) for Marian Hossa.

Why: Hossa's salary is only 1 million, this trade would allow Melnyk to shed (save) 4.275 on Ryan's contract without having to give up assets in the process.

2. Bobby Ryan (@ 5.275 per), Pittsburgh's 2018 first round pick for Anthony Duclair

Why: Melnyk sheds 6 million of Bobby Ryan's salary and gets a nice young player in Duclair that may be able to fill the "hole" left by Ryan.

3. Bobby Ryan (@ full 7.275 per) & Ottawa's 2018 first round pick (top 5) for Anthony Duclair & Nashville's 2018 first round pick (#25-31).

Why: Melnyk can wipe his hands of Ryan's contract in it's entirety, he saves big but still walks away from the deal with assets in Duclair and Nashville's first round pick. Melnyk essentially swaps his top 5 pick with the Hawks for pick #25-30 and Duclair while ridding himself of the Ryan contract..

IMO, I would really like to see scenario #3 as a Hawks fan - not only that but scenario #3 makes the most sense from Melnyk's position..... He would want to dump the contract in its entirety if he could and that would allow him to do that and all he has to do is swap his top 5 pick with the Nashville pick which is #25-30.... That is a very small price to pay to dump that massive contract.... And I would do it as a Hawks fan because this is a very good draft and walking away with 2 of the top 10 players in this draft would really solidify the future core of this team, and it's now the time to start thinking about the future core.... In 5 years these kids will be hitting their primes and Toews & Kane will be 35 so it will be time to transition....Also, I would do this deal because I believe Ryan could potentially be a beast playing on a line with Kane - so this trade could payoff for the Hawks all around......
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Mar. 16, 2018 at 4:16 p.m.
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The Hawks have a second line LW hole and Bobby Ryan would be a good fit there, however Melnyk only trades Ryan if salary isn't coming back so this proposed trade wouldn't happen because it defeats the purpose of what Melnyk is trying to do which is clear payroll.

However there are other trades scenarios that make more sense and accomplish what Melnyk is trying to accomplish:

1. Bobby Ryan (@ 5.275 per) for Marian Hossa.

Why: Hossa's salary is only 1 million, this trade would allow Melnyk to shed (save) 4.275 on Ryan's contract without having to give up assets in the process.

2. Bobby Ryan (@ 5.275 per), Pittsburgh's 2018 first round pick for Anthony Duclair

Why: Melnyk sheds 6 million of Bobby Ryan's salary and gets a nice young player in Duclair that may be able to fill the "hole" left by Ryan.

3. Bobby Ryan (@ full 7.275 per) & Ottawa's 2018 first round pick (top 5) for Anthony Duclair & Nashville's 2018 first round pick (#25-31).

Why: Melnyk can wipe his hands of Ryan's contract in it's entirety, he saves big but still walks away from the deal with assets in Duclair and Nashville's first round pick. Melnyk essentially swaps his top 5 pick with the Hawks for pick #25-30 and Duclair while ridding himself of the Ryan contract..

IMO, I would really like to see scenario #3 as a Hawks fan - not only that but scenario #3 makes the most sense from Melnyk's position..... He would want to dump the contract in its entirety if he could and that would allow him to do that and all he has to do is swap his top 5 pick with the Nashville pick which is #25-30.... That is a very small price to pay to dump that massive contract.... And I would do it as a Hawks fan because this is a very good draft and walking away with 2 of the top 10 players in this draft would really solidify the future core of this team, and it's now the time to start thinking about the future core.... In 5 years these kids will be hitting their primes and Toews & Kane will be 35 so it will be time to transition....Also, I would do this deal because I believe Ryan could potentially be a beast playing on a line with Kane - so this trade could payoff for the Hawks all around......


Hmm ok man, not gonna tell you what you want. I just think actively going after one of the worst contracts in the league right now for a team that is already in cap hell isn't exactly a great idea in my books...plus he has a NMC/M-NTC which adds to the negativity.. If you have a hole at left wing, why not just go into free agency and get Nash, Kane, Neal etc?
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Mar. 16, 2018 at 4:40 p.m.
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Hmm ok man, not gonna tell you what you want. I just think actively going after one of the worst contracts in the league right now for a team that is already in cap hell isn't exactly a great idea in my books...plus he has a NMC/M-NTC which adds to the negativity.. If you have a hole at left wing, why not just go into free agency and get Nash, Kane, Neal etc?


The Hawks aren't in "cap hell".......I don't know why people keep on saying that - it must be habit..... The Hawks will have about 18-20 million in cap space this summer with only 7 roster spots to fill - 4 of those spots are for RFA's Duclair, Hayden, Hinostroza and Sikura and those guys will be signed for 6 million combined so the Hawks will have 12-14 million to fill 3-4 roster spots (3.5 per spot give or take)...... I mean the Hawks could easily fit Ryan into the mix .....

Why would we want Ryan? because Ryan was a beast with the Ducks so I think he could be a beast with the Hawks... I mean it's not like Ryan was surrounded with talent in Ottawa. Ryan will have the opportunities to play with some real talented players here in Chicago and that may just give him a spark to become the player he was in Anaheim with the Hawks....Yes, of course it's a risk which is why I would DEMAND Ottawa's top 5 pick at this draft, I mean that's the only way that risk will be worth it... It's worth it if the Hawks ALSO get Brady Tkachuk or Adam Boqvist in the deal, otherwise the Hawks are assuming ALL of the risk in this trade.... Ottawa would have to give up that pick or it's no deal.... The only way Ryan is worth the risk on is own would be if Ottawa retained at least 30% of his salary..... Sure, I would give up Duclair at 2 million for Ryan at 5 million - that would be a reasonable risk to me- it would be worth it to gamble on Ryan and bet that he could turn it around playing with Kane....

So yea, the Hawk have the cap space and the Hawks have a #2 left wing position that needs to be filled and Ryan would be ideal at the right price or with the right assets..
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Mar. 16, 2018 at 4:50 p.m.
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The Hawks aren't in "cap hell".......I don't know why people keep on saying that - it must be habit..... The Hawks will have about 18-20 million in cap space this summer with only 7 roster spots to fill - 4 of those spots are for RFA's Duclair, Hayden, Hinostroza and Sikura and those guys will be signed for 6 million combined so the Hawks will have 12-14 million to fill 3-4 roster spots (3.5 per spot give or take)...... I mean the Hawks could easily fit Ryan into the mix .....

Why would we want Ryan? because Ryan was a beast with the Ducks so I think he could be a beast with the Hawks... I mean it's not like Ryan was surrounded with talent in Ottawa. Ryan will have the opportunities to play with some real talented players here in Chicago and that may just give him a spark to become the player he was in Anaheim with the Hawks....Yes, of course it's a risk which is why I would DEMAND Ottawa's top 5 pick at this draft, I mean that's the only way that risk will be worth it... It's worth it if the Hawks ALSO get Brady Tkachuk or Adam Boqvist in the deal, otherwise the Hawks are assuming ALL of the risk in this trade.... Ottawa would have to give up that pick or it's no deal.... The only way Ryan is worth the risk on is own would be if Ottawa retained at least 30% of his salary..... Sure, I would give up Duclair at 2 million for Ryan at 5 million - that would be a reasonable risk to me- it would be worth it to gamble on Ryan and bet that he could turn it around playing with Kane....

So yea, the Hawk have the cap space and the Hawks have a #2 left wing position that needs to be filled and Ryan would be ideal at the right price or with the right assets..


Yeah you are right, thought they would have a lot less space then that. I guess it was more to say you'd have a lot of cap space tied up in 6 players who are all declining. (Age-wise I mean)

As for your offer yeah adding a top end draft pick changes the entire thing. i kind of dismissed that because as much as Melnyk wants to get rid of Ryan, he doesn't want to do it at the expense of a very solid and future piece. I can't fathom him doing it anyway.

I dunno about the Ryan of Anaheim but the Ryan of Ottawa is not the same guy anymore. I think your thinking in the past for this guy. If Saad came in laid an egg, i can only imagine what Ryan will do.

My point was the trade in this AGM isn't worth it IMO.
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Yeah you are right, thought they would have a lot less space then that. I guess it was more to say you'd have a lot of cap space tied up in 6 players who are all declining. (Age-wise I mean)

As for your offer yeah adding a top end draft pick changes the entire thing. i kind of dismissed that because as much as Melnyk wants to get rid of Ryan, he doesn't want to do it at the expense of a very solid and future piece. I can't fathom him doing it anyway.

I dunno about the Ryan of Anaheim but the Ryan of Ottawa is not the same guy anymore. I think your thinking in the past for this guy. If Saad came in laid an egg, i can only imagine what Ryan will do.

My point was the trade in this AGM isn't worth it IMO.


Saad is a beast, I'm not at all concerned with Saad - this entire team laid a nest of eggs this season....This is an incomplete team, they have the foundation to contend they just didn't have the supporting cast - especially on defense - next year will be different tho because Bowman will have the cap space to sign guys he wants not guys he can afford. I mean last summer Bowman was stuck picking out of the UFA bargain bin and this season showed that... How successful can you be when half of your team is comprised of rookies?

As far as Ryan - yea the only way Melnyk will dump Ryan at $7.275 would be with that top 5 pick, without that pick a team has absolutely no reason to take on Ryan's contact and the only team I can really see being interested is the Hawks because they have the cap space, they have the roster spot, they have the environment for Ryan to turn it around and they're a team Ryan would waive his NMC for (assuming)......

We will see what Melnyk values more - that top 5 pick or $7.25 million.

I can't see any team even considering taking Ryan at full price without that top pick and it's not even close... Ottawa just doesn't have the assets to make taking on the risk worth it in any way shape or form... Ryan is still owed 29 million over the next 4 years - that is a TON of money any way you look at it and the odds are even if Ryan does turn it around would he really be worth 29 million over 4 years? he would have to be "thee guy" that gets a team over the "hump" and into the promised land for that to be worth it. So yea, Ryan may not be that guy however the guy a team takes with that top 5 pick MAY be the guy - so the pick makes taking the risk of Ryan worth it because if they strikeout with Ryan they always have that young player that could prove to be worth it.

So yea, there is a certain criteria for a Bobby Ryan trade . Teams would have to have the cap space, be willing to spend the money, would need an open roster spot, would need to be in a position to take the risk hence be in a position to win now and Ryan would need to be willing to move his NMC...... How many teams fit that criteria? not many.. Maybe San Jose? Dallas? Calgary?
Mar. 18, 2018 at 10:52 p.m.
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Saad is a beast, I'm not at all concerned with Saad - this entire team laid a nest of eggs this season....This is an incomplete team, they have the foundation to contend they just didn't have the supporting cast - especially on defense - next year will be different tho because Bowman will have the cap space to sign guys he wants not guys he can afford. I mean last summer Bowman was stuck picking out of the UFA bargain bin and this season showed that... How successful can you be when half of your team is comprised of rookies?

As far as Ryan - yea the only way Melnyk will dump Ryan at $7.275 would be with that top 5 pick, without that pick a team has absolutely no reason to take on Ryan's contact and the only team I can really see being interested is the Hawks because they have the cap space, they have the roster spot, they have the environment for Ryan to turn it around and they're a team Ryan would waive his NMC for (assuming)......

We will see what Melnyk values more - that top 5 pick or $7.25 million.

I can't see any team even considering taking Ryan at full price without that top pick and it's not even close... Ottawa just doesn't have the assets to make taking on the risk worth it in any way shape or form... Ryan is still owed 29 million over the next 4 years - that is a TON of money any way you look at it and the odds are even if Ryan does turn it around would he really be worth 29 million over 4 years? he would have to be "thee guy" that gets a team over the "hump" and into the promised land for that to be worth it. So yea, Ryan may not be that guy however the guy a team takes with that top 5 pick MAY be the guy - so the pick makes taking the risk of Ryan worth it because if they strikeout with Ryan they always have that young player that could prove to be worth it.

So yea, there is a certain criteria for a Bobby Ryan trade . Teams would have to have the cap space, be willing to spend the money, would need an open roster spot, would need to be in a position to take the risk hence be in a position to win now and Ryan would need to be willing to move his NMC...... How many teams fit that criteria? not many.. Maybe San Jose? Dallas? Calgary?


It's not just 7M. Ryan has four years left. It's 29M, minus whatever he takes back. If it means keeping the franchise in Ottawa and getting it solvent, I think it has to be a bit of an option. On the other hand, Melnyk said he was losing 3M/month in Ottawa. I guess most of the other big contracts left are for good players, so if the Sens have to shed another 10M/season in payroll, they can trade for some other high draft picks and good prospects, and still rebuild a bit?
Mar. 19, 2018 at 3:24 a.m.
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It's not just 7M. Ryan has four years left. It's 29M, minus whatever he takes back. If it means keeping the franchise in Ottawa and getting it solvent, I think it has to be a bit of an option. On the other hand, Melnyk said he was losing 3M/month in Ottawa. I guess most of the other big contracts left are for good players, so if the Sens have to shed another 10M/season in payroll, they can trade for some other high draft picks and good prospects, and still rebuild a bit?


If I'm Melnyk trading Ryan would be a priority. Obviously I would want to keep my top 5 pick - that would be a priority as well so I would try every option possible to avoid trading that pick, but at the same time I would expect GM's to demand that pick.... It's really the only really good asset Melnyk has.... Now there is one other solution and that's to package Karlsson up with Ryan but the problem with that is how many teams have the cap space to take both players while sending very little salary back to Ottawa? not only that but at the same time have confidence that such a trade would improve their team enough to the point that it would be worth it?? not many.... Most bubble teams and legitimate contenders are already up against the cap - or at the very least couldn't afford to take on 15 million...

So yea, Melnyk's options are very limited and finding a taker for Ryan at full price will be very difficult and I don't see a team just taking Ryan for anything less than that top 5 pick at the very least. So if cutting salary is Melnyk's priority then trading Karlsson is really one of his only options and make no mistake Karlsson on his own is worth a fantastic return... Melnyk may want to trade Karlsson first - bring back some assets then package a couple of those assets up with Ryan to create incentive for a team to take him... That may just be Melnyk's best bet...

Imagine a 3-way deal like this.... This would certainly be Melnyk's best bet:

To Ottawa: Puljujärvi, Yamamoto, Forsling, 2018 first round pick (NAS)
To Edmonton: Karlsson, Duclair
To Chicago: Ryan, 2018 first round pick (EDT) #7 overall

IMO, that's not a bad trade at all - I actually love it...

My point is a 3-way deal for Melnyk may be his best bet to shed salary..
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If I'm Melnyk trading Ryan would be a priority. Obviously I would want to keep my top 5 pick - that would be a priority as well so I would try every option possible to avoid trading that pick, but at the same time I would expect GM's to demand that pick.... It's really the only really good asset Melnyk has.... Now there is one other solution and that's to package Karlsson up with Ryan but the problem with that is how many teams have the cap space to take both players while sending very little salary back to Ottawa? not only that but at the same time have confidence that such a trade would improve their team enough to the point that it would be worth it?? not many.... Most bubble teams and legitimate contenders are already up against the cap - or at the very least couldn't afford to take on 15 million...

So yea, Melnyk's options are very limited and finding a taker for Ryan at full price will be very difficult and I don't see a team just taking Ryan for anything less than that top 5 pick at the very least. So if cutting salary is Melnyk's priority then trading Karlsson is really one of his only options and make no mistake Karlsson on his own is worth a fantastic return... Melnyk may want to trade Karlsson first - bring back some assets then package a couple of those assets up with Ryan to create incentive for a team to take him... That may just be Melnyk's best bet...

Imagine a 3-way deal like this.... This would certainly be Melnyk's best bet:

To Ottawa: Puljujärvi, Yamamoto, Forsling, 2018 first round pick (NAS)
To Edmonton: Karlsson, Duclair
To Chicago: Ryan, 2018 first round pick (EDT) #7 overall

IMO, that's not a bad trade at all - I actually love it...

My point is a 3-way deal for Melnyk may be his best bet to shed salary..


Brilliant. Empathetic. Thinking of three teams' needs and wants. Yeah, you're right that Melnyk would rather trade a defenseman pushing for Mr. Futility and likely to walk in a year than a top ten draft pick. If the Sens are rebuilding, and cutting salary, they want to add high draft picks, rather than give them up. Melnyk gripes publicly about writing checks to subsidize a bad hockey team, but he keeps writing them, and actions speak louder than words.

Ottawa has a lot of good, young, tradeable wingers, too. While plenty of teams might trade enough for Karlsson to get Ryan off the books, throwing in Hoffman, Stone, Pageau, or whoever... would all be worth more to teams trying to win right away, and would, surprisingly, even though their contracts are reasonable, also help the Sens shed salary heading into another year or three when they maybe don't expect to make the playoffs. I think they want to get back picks and prospects and give up big contracts. Trading Karlsson and Ryan together remains their best first step.
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They might also throw in talented young guys like Dzingel and Paajarvi to unload wasteful, big contracts like Ceci, Gaborik, Burrows, and Zack Smith, for picks, prospects, thoughts, and prayers. https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/senators
 
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