No way is Ottawa getting Draisaitl without Erik Karlsson going the other way, And FWIW Oliver Wahlstrom is committed to Harvard he wont be playing in the NHL this year.

Karlsson lost his baby, give him break!

It’s more of a view of what could be. As for Karlsson, if you look at the Oilers team, I signed Carlson who is more cost effective.

I double down on that. EDM is particularly fond of Drai. It'll take Karlsson as a starting point.

IMO, I think that is just too radical of a trade to pull off for Edmonton.. At the same time tho it's not like what Edmonton is doing is working, lol so why not? I mean it's not like Edmonton could get any worse...

If you're Edmonton you say no but it would be hard to justify saying no.

How about RNH & Edmonton's 2nd for Ryan at full price & Ottawa's 2018 top 5 pick?

That would be interesting - Edmonton with 2 top 5 picks in this draft... That would be evil, but I would put money on it that Edmonton STILL wouldn't be a playoff team with Tkachuk AND Dahlin, lol..

Yeah that was My heart goes out to him and his wife Melinda.

Karlsson as a starting point?

Karlsson straight up for Draisaitl would me more than fair....

None of this matters considering Melnyk is trying to unload salary NOT take it on so the OP's trade proposal is kinda not realistic..

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Gotcha signing Carlson does make far more sense and he's way more cost effective i agree with you there.

I don't mean to nitpick, but for this trade to occur, Ottawa would have to send it's 2018 1st to Colorado as part of the Duchene deal. That means Wahlstrom isn't an option.

Ottawa’s 2018 is Top 10 Protected

If they choose to keep the 2018 1st, then they must give Colorado their 2019 1st. The trade above doesn't work then.

Oh I got ya. You are correct. Will tweak it.

There is no way I would do that trade from a Sens perspective. Duchene is worth Draisaitl alone.

That’s a joke right? If you are serious then I can’t take any comment you have ever made seriously.

Duchene + Hoffman + Ryan at 3.625 (which makes his contract very good all of sudden) + 1st + 2nd + 3rd sounds like a very very good package, easily worth more than Karlsson himself.



No thanks. Sure there's some value for Ottawa to get out of the contract obligation to Ryan (30 M$ owed) but RNH is owed 18 M$ for 3 years himself. Let's say he makes 6 M$ again the 4th year, then the Sens only save 6.0 over the course of 4 years... RNH might be younger than Ryan but he is overpaid too, on his RFA years nonetheless.

Let's compare some stats

Since Ryan has been in Ottawa (5 seasons, since 2013-14) :

344 Games, 84 Goals, 127 Assists, 211 Pts (0.61 PPG)

RNH since 2013-14 :

349 Games, 94 Goals, 137 Assists, 231 Pts (0.66 PPG)

Let's only look at the last 2 years where Ryan's production has cooled off?

115 Games, 21 Goals, 32 Assists, 53 Pts (0.46 PPG)

RNH since 2016-17 :

138 Games, 39 Goals, 46 Assists, 85 Pts (0.62 PPG)

Sure RNH is younger and would probably produce more but what if he had to deal with the rash of injuries Ryan has dealt with? Probably would end up the same problem.

Plus, the Sens have Brown, Batherson, Chlapik and White who are centers. One of them will probably end up as productive as RNH, maybe even more.

I'd rather have Pageau play the spot that RNH would play and keep my top-5 pick. Find other ways to deal with Ryan's contract (retain, take a lower salary, even buy him out, etc)

All of that makes me easily pass on giving up a top-5 pick (future franchise player) for a 2nd round pick. Sens are already loaded with quality prospects that you could land with a 2nd. A top-5 has immense value



I don't agree that Duchene is worth Draisaitl alone but I'm not making that trade either... easy pass even though I really like Drai

How much better is Draisatl than Duchene? Yes he is 4 years younger but he is already more expensive so age doesn't matter much here.

So the difference in value is worth giving?

1) Mike Hoffman (I'd rather have him than RNH by far)

2) Bobby Ryan at 3.625 x 4 years (who will give you 40-60 pts per 82 games depending on health OR monster playoffs like 10 months ago). Retaining 50% makes his contract not a problem at all anymore, on the contrary

3) a late 1st

4) a 2nd

5) a 3rd

No way.

No team is going to take on Bobby Ryan's 7.275 cap hit without that top 5 pick.

The issue is that taking on Bobby Ryan is a big deal, and any team willing to take Ryan and his contract on will have to meet the following prerequisites:

1. Will have to want Ryan.
2. Will have to have the cap space now and in the future without messing up their own plans.
3. Will have to be willing to pay the 29 million owed to Ryan over the next 4 years.
4. Will have to have an open top 6 roster spot.
5. Will need to believe Ryan is a long term solution (at least over the next 4 years).
6. Will need to believe Bobby Ryan is the guy that gets them closer to the Cup.
7. Also, Bobby Ryan would need to waive his NMC.

Even if a team meets those prerequisites, taking on 4 more years of Bobby Ryan is a risk, and no team will be willing to take on that risk without a sure thing coming back - a sure asset coming back and the only asset Ottawa has that warrants taking such a risk is Ottawa's top 5 pick. Ottawa gave up most of their good assets in the Duchene trade - and Ottawa just cant toss in Hoffman because what team has 7.25 for Ryan and 5-6 for Hoffman just laying around? lol

So yea, the Only way I can foresee Ottawa dumping Ryan is with that 2018 first round pick.