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Team: 2018-19 St. Louis Blues
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 6, 2018
Published: Apr. 6, 2018
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Blues finally get a reliable goal tender in Holtby, I feel the blues have been burned by Allen and his streakiness too long and need a new guy. Stevens is expendable for the blues because they have Kyrou and Schmaltz hasnt exactly turned into what they thought, but they have dunn and Walman coming up. Sobotka is traded because cap space and maybe he gets a bigger role in Van. Jaskin is not great but a nhl ready player for a canucks team that will have extra roster spots next year. Washington would want Allen because he is insurance if Grubuaer cant handle the starting job. Allen is competent enough to handle some of the workload. The caps could also just flip Allen again to one of Buffalo or the Isanders if they wanted. I know barb is a great player and doesnt deserve to be on the fourth but Brodziak has been great for the blues, they could switch them between 3rd/4th line center.

The blues are so close to being a force in the NHL, by trading allen away I feel like the mindset of the blues will do a complete 180, not to mention the phasing in of the younger guys will help tremendously. They will be amazing in the next 2-4 years.

Im not the most familiar with the Blues prospects, but I do know that Kyrou, Dunn, Barb, and Thomas are off limits so thats why I traded Stevens/Schmaltz.

Maybe I'm just wrong about all of this i dont know, enlighten me Blues fans!
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$3,000,000
4$4,200,000
1$1,250,000
1$1,000,000
2$900,000
2$900,000
3$900,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$2,500,000
Trades
1.
STL
  1. Holtby, Braden
Additional Details:
Washington's 2018 First round pick.
WSH
  1. Allen, Jake ($850,000 retained)
  2. Schmaltz, Jordan
  3. Stevens, Nolan
  4. 2019 2nd round pick (STL)
  5. 2020 4th round pick (WPG)
2.
STL
  1. 2019 4th round pick (VAN)
  2. 2020 6th round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. Jaskin, Dmitrij
  2. Sobotka, Vladimír
  3. 2019 3rd round pick (STL)
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2019
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$80,000,000$68,006,822$150,988$395,000$11,993,178
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$5,350,000$5,350,000
LW
UFA - 3
$5,125,000$5,125,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW
UFA - 5
$5,750,000$5,750,000
LW, RW, C
NTC
UFA - 3
$4,200,000$4,200,000
LW
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
C
UFA - 2
$3,850,000$3,850,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
$2,500,000$2,500,000
C
UFA - 2
$894,167$894,167
LW, RW
RFA - 4
$900,000$900,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
$741,667$741,667
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$900,000$900,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
$6,500,000$6,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
$6,100,000$6,100,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$722,500$722,500 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
LD/RD
UFA - 2
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
UFA - 4
$847,500$847,500
G
UFA - 1
$5,400,000$5,400,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
$1,150,000$1,150,000
RD
UFA - 1
$2,900,000$2,900,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Apr. 6, 2018 at 3:41 p.m.
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Take out the 1st of the Washington deal and don't retain on Allen.
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Apr. 6, 2018 at 3:48 p.m.
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Trades make sense and I think Allen and a prospect or two for Holtby makes sense. The Vancouver trade is kinda pointless adding Jaskin since he is a FA and I would rather give VAN Berglund than sobotka. Also like you said switch Barbashev and Brdziak and Fabbri will not get a deal like that this year with his injury concern he will get 1-2 years between 1-2 mil and Edmunson will probably get closer to 4.
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Apr. 6, 2018 at 3:55 p.m.
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Caps quickly hang up the phone. Allen who hasn't proven to be a starter at age 27, a 24yo D that hasn't stick in the NHL yet, and a good not great center prospect, plus a 2nd and 4th for a top 3 goalie and a 1st. No way. If Caps are giving up that they'll need 2 of Kyrou, Thomas, and/or Kostin.
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Apr. 6, 2018 at 4:09 p.m.
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Quoting: ClockReads2113
Caps quickly hang up the phone. Allen who hasn't proven to be a starter at age 27, a 24yo D that hasn't stick in the NHL yet, and a good not great center prospect, plus a 2nd and 4th for a top 3 goalie and a 1st. No way. If Caps are giving up that they'll need 2 of Kyrou, Thomas, and/or Kostin.



The idea here is that Allen is the backup for Grubauer in Washington, he wouldnt replace Holtby. Itd be a 1A 1B kind of thing. Why washington would trade Holtby? Because Grubauer has been good and Samsonov is coming up. Washinton would be careful with making Grub starter because look at Darling and Carolina, Allen is insurance for the Caps, hes good enough. Like I said the caps could also just flip him and have Samsonov as the backup. Also, they'd use the money saved from trading Holtby to signing Carlsson. The 2019 second isnt enough I see that, replace that with 2019 first and I think thats fair enough.
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Apr. 6, 2018 at 4:26 p.m.
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The idea here is that Allen is the backup for Grubauer in Washington, he wouldnt replace Holtby. Itd be a 1A 1B kind of thing. Why washington would trade Holtby? Because Grubauer has been good and Samsonov is coming up. Washinton would be careful with making Grub starter because look at Darling and Carolina, Allen is insurance for the Caps, hes good enough. Like I said the caps could also just flip him and have Samsonov as the backup. Also, they'd use the money saved from trading Holtby to signing Carlsson. The 2019 second isnt enough I see that, replace that with 2019 first and I think thats fair enough.



Just take away the picks on both sides.
Allen Stevens and Schmaltz for Holtby
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Apr. 6, 2018 at 4:31 p.m.
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Just take away the picks on both sides.
Allen Stevens and Schmaltz for Holtby


Caps could get a top 10 pick for him so I don't think they would make that trade. It's a back up goalie and 2 good not great prospects. No way that happens. If you're trying to get rid of Allen with the trade it would be your 2018 1st+one of Kyrou, Thomas, or Kostin.
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Apr. 6, 2018 at 4:49 p.m.
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Quoting: LGBstl
Just take away the picks on both sides.
Allen Stevens and Schmaltz for Holtby


Id have to agree with clock, I think the picks are needed Allen plus those prospects isnt enough.

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Caps could get a top 10 pick for him so I don't think they would make that trade. It's a back up goalie and 2 good not great prospects. No way that happens. If you're trying to get rid of Allen with the trade it would be your 2018 1st+one of Kyrou, Thomas, or Kostin.


Blues would never trade Kyrou/Thomas/Kostin so its not realistic imo. So new trade scenario: Holtby + 2018 second + future 6th for Allen, Stevens, Schmaltz, 2019 first round pick, future 4th?
Apr. 6, 2018 at 5:34 p.m.
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Id have to agree with clock, I think the picks are needed Allen plus those prospects isnt enough.



Blues would never trade Kyrou/Thomas/Kostin so its not realistic imo. So new trade scenario: Holtby + 2018 second + future 6th for Allen, Stevens, Schmaltz, 2019 first round pick, future 4th?


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Apr. 6, 2018 at 5:35 p.m.
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More importantly, y'all have been outbid consistently by NYI and CAR fans. Bye.
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Apr. 6, 2018 at 6:23 p.m.
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More importantly, y'all have been outbid consistently by NYI and CAR fans. Bye.


Im assuming you mean Bellows + first and or Hanifin + for Holtby? Those are huge boosts to offense and defense for sure, but you really think Grubauer after 1 good season and Samsonov that hasnt been on North American ice and is still very young can hold the fort for years to come? I can guarantee you guys will be lit up if Grub/Samsonov is your duo. Allen isnt complete trash as you think, he can be a solid back up for Grub allowing Sam to get some time with Hershey. Allen is a better backup than the ufa goaltenders this off season and with retention he'll cost you about the same. I understand you wanting Bellows/Hanifin over Allen this was just testing the waters. Thanks for the feedback.
Apr. 6, 2018 at 6:29 p.m.
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Im assuming you mean Bellows + first and or Hanifin + for Holtby? Those are huge boosts to offense and defense for sure, but you really think Grubauer after 1 good season and Samsonov that hasnt been on North American ice and is still very young can hold the fort for years to come? I can guarantee you guys will be lit up if Grub/Samsonov is your duo. Allen isnt complete trash as you think, he can be a solid back up for Grub allowing Sam to get some time with Hershey. Allen is a better backup than the ufa goaltenders this off season and with retention he'll cost you about the same. I understand you wanting Bellows/Hanifin over Allen this was just testing the waters. Thanks for the feedback.


No. I mean Elias Lindholm, Haydn Fleury, a 1st and a 2nd for Holtby, Connolly, and Obrien.

I mean the 10th overall pick plus Kieffer Bellows, plus two old 1st round pick guys who never seem to make the Islanders, but might one day get it together. Yeah, I like the Car offer better, too. That 10th pick, though...
Apr. 6, 2018 at 6:39 p.m.
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No. I mean Elias Lindholm, Haydn Fleury, a 1st and a 2nd for Holtby, Connolly, and Obrien.

I mean the 10th overall pick plus Kieffer Bellows, plus two old 1st round pick guys who never seem to make the Islanders, but might one day get it together. Yeah, I like the Car offer better, too. That 10th pick, though...



Okay yeah that Carolina trade looks really good lol and even with their lower first its a deep draft who knows what you could get.
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Apr. 6, 2018 at 6:50 p.m.
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Caps could get a top 10 pick for him so I don't think they would make that trade. It's a back up goalie and 2 good not great prospects. No way that happens. If you're trying to get rid of Allen with the trade it would be your 2018 1st+one of Kyrou, Thomas, or Kostin.


Can't get a top 10 pick for a guy who hasn't even been the starter for the last month or so. The Allen deal is more than fair. Goalies don't have that much value in trades unless they are a one of a kind goalie on a decent contract. Which Holtby is not a one of a kind goalie
Apr. 6, 2018 at 7:01 p.m.
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Can't get a top 10 pick for a guy who hasn't even been the starter for the last month or so. The Allen deal is more than fair. Goalies don't have that much value in trades unless they are a one of a kind goalie on a decent contract. Which Holtby is not a one of a kind goalie


Um yes he is. He is a top 3 goalie in the league. Yeah he's had a tough year because he played too much the last 3 years. Just needs a rest. He'll probably tear it up in the playoffs if he's called upon. Caps laugh at that Allen deal.
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Apr. 6, 2018 at 7:40 p.m.
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Another possibility is that the Caps have had two rookies and one very tough almost 40 year old on defense this year after losing Alzner, Schmidt, and Shattenkirk in one summer. Behind a decent defense like St. Louis has, Holtby should still be awesome.

In his off year he's got 34 wins. He's got the record with 48 in a season. He's got three back to back years of 40 or more. He's got the second best all time save percentage in recorded playoff history. Highest active. Only guys close are Luongo and Crawford. Age and injury make them questionable.

Holtby is 28 and won 34 games this year behind two rookies, a 40 year old, and three regulars defensemen. At the deadline the Caps rented another third pairing rookie for a 5th round pick and a 2nd year 3rd pairing guy for a 3rd pick. And this seems to constitute a bit of an improvement. At the beginning of the season Aaron Ness and Taylor Chorney also filled in for the Caps on defense. Both cleared waivers and are in the AHL.

No. Holtby hasn't personally lost anything about his game. If anything, he's playing better.
Apr. 6, 2018 at 8:54 p.m.
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Um yes he is. He is a top 3 goalie in the league. Yeah he's had a tough year because he played too much the last 3 years. Just needs a rest. He'll probably tear it up in the playoffs if he's called upon. Caps laugh at that Allen deal.


Maybe top 5. Bobrovsky, Gibson, Price, Rinne, Dubnyk,Holtby. Don't get me wrong, he's much better than Allen. I would only change the picks around. It's not a bad trade though. Goalies just don't have much value in terms of trading. Goalie market isnt exactly thriving either which drives the price way down.
Apr. 7, 2018 at 12:42 p.m.
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Maybe top 5. Bobrovsky, Gibson, Price, Rinne, Dubnyk,Holtby. Don't get me wrong, he's much better than Allen. I would only change the picks around. It's not a bad trade though. Goalies just don't have much value in terms of trading. Goalie market isnt exactly thriving either which drives the price way down.


Holtby is better than Gibson, Rinne, and Dubynk. And even if the goalie market isn't thriving right now, it will always thrive for elite goalies. Lehner got the 21st pick a couple years back, you bet your butt Holtby is getting top dollar.
 
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