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Team: 2018-19 Washington Capitals
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 6, 2018
Published: Apr. 6, 2018
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  2. 2019 2nd round pick (BUF)
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  1. Holtby, Braden
  2. Orpik, Brooks ($1,000,000 retained)
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  1. Benn, Jordie
  2. Gallagher, Brendan
  3. 2019 2nd round pick (MTL)
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Apr. 6, 2018 at 9:26 p.m.
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Why wouldn't Montreal just make a trade for ROR strait up ? I also don't see Gallagher being traded.
Apr. 6, 2018 at 9:28 p.m.
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Gallagher is not getting moved anymore. I doubt even for ROR. I personally would do something like this. But no one in Habs management are going to advocate for moving him. He's on a sweet contract, is getting lined up to be the next captain, his value is as high as it's ever been with him scoring 31 goals.

I think it's pretty clear that Bergefail will just focus on moving Pacioretty this offseason when it comes to MTL's top players, maybe Galchenyuk (god I hope not). So almost all Habs depth player and Patches are fair game. As for everyone else, they won't budge. Moulson and management still firmly believe this team can win, and that they need just a small adjustment/retool, and they've chosen Pacioretty as the sacrificial lamb...
Apr. 6, 2018 at 9:30 p.m.
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Why wouldn't Montreal just make a trade for ROR strait up ? I also don't see Gallagher being traded.


Bc buff needs a goalie and habs don’t have a goalie for a smart price. Think about it buff has Center need goalie caps have goalies need to restock prospect pool habs need a #1 center. Fills all needs right? No teams seems to be overpaying since it’s filling all needs
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Apr. 6, 2018 at 9:31 p.m.
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Gallagher is not getting moved anymore. I doubt even for ROR. I personally would do something like this. But no one in Habs management are going to advocate for moving him. He's on a sweet contract, is getting lined up to be the next captain, his value is as high as it's ever been with him scoring 31 goals.

I think it's pretty clear that Bergefail will just focus on moving Pacioretty this offseason when it comes to MTL's top players, maybe Galchenyuk (god I hope not). So almost all Habs depth player and Patches are fair game. As for everyone else, they won't budge. Moulson and management still firmly believe this team can win, and that they need just a small adjustment/retool, and they've chosen Pacioretty as the sacrificial lamb...



Doesn’t need to be gal just a player of similar caliber
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Apr. 6, 2018 at 9:36 p.m.
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Doesn’t need to be gal just a player of similar caliber


hmmmm, MTL doesn't really have anyone similar in their lineup....maybe Shaw? but then he's not as good, paid more, and is now injury prone.

If you're willing to replace Gally with Patches then sure!
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Apr. 6, 2018 at 9:38 p.m.
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Couple problems. The san jose 2nd is conditional, if kane re-signs, its a lottery protected 1st. Hes been really good and it looks like a great fit. Second, we have no interest in trading assets for holtby. Besides the goalie market being soft, its just not a position we need to move skaters and decent picks for. We need help on d in a pretty big way, or at least skaters that improve our team speed. This doesnt help us and it relieves us of our second and- lets call it san joses second. Im sure there is somebody willing to give you something decent for holtby but it wont be us.
Apr. 6, 2018 at 9:38 p.m.
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hmmmm, MTL doesn't really have anyone similar in their lineup....maybe Shaw? but then he's not as good, paid more, and is now injury prone.

If you're willing to replace Gally with Patches then sure!


Yeah that would be fair
Apr. 6, 2018 at 9:44 p.m.
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Couple problems. The san jose 2nd is conditional, if kane re-signs, its a lottery protected 1st. Hes been really good and it looks like a great fit. Second, we have no interest in trading assets for holtby. Besides the goalie market being soft, its just not a position we need to move skaters and decent picks for. We need help on d in a pretty big way, or at least skaters that improve our team speed. This doesnt help us and it relieves us of our second and- lets call it san joses second. Im sure there is somebody willing to give you something decent for holtby but it wont be us.


Imo that’s not a ton to give up for Holtby esp since he’s elite and all
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Apr. 6, 2018 at 9:48 p.m.
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Imo that’s not a ton to give up for Holtby esp since he’s elite and all


Not interested.
Apr. 6, 2018 at 9:51 p.m.
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Not interested.


Fair enough
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Apr. 6, 2018 at 11:03 p.m.
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A hidden benefit for Buffalo is that with Holtby off the market, the Isles trade for Lehner.

The opportunity cost for Washington is that, in getting back Pacioretty and four 2nds for HOltby, they don't get nearly as vauable a return as the Islanders or Canes are offering.
Apr. 6, 2018 at 11:15 p.m.
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BUF
Holtby
Connoly
Petry (a real D )
Mccarron
2019 1st(MTL )
2020 2nd pick (WSH)

WSH
Shaw(third line center who wins 55-57% faceoffs ,hits , draws penalties and has 2 cups on a team thats had no playoff success since he left as you need a solid third line to win a cup in todays NHL)
Beaulieu(PP is where he produce 60-70% of his points so in WSH he shoudl thive in a 2nd or 3rd pair LD role)
Schlemko
2020 2nd pick(MTL)
2021 2nd round pick (BUF)


MTL
O'reilly
Nylander(taking Moulson is part of the deal in getting this player)
Moulson
Pinho (center prospect , former late pick from NCAA not even on your roster )

BUF gives up
Oreilly
Nylander
Beaulieu
2nd pick in 2021
and gets to dump Moulson

WSH gives up
Holtby
Connoly
Pinho
a 2nd pick in 2020

MTL gives up
Petry
Mccarron
Shaw
Schlemko
1st round pick in 2019
2nd round pick in 2020
Apr. 6, 2018 at 11:49 p.m.
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Well well well..... Linus Ullmark will be the #1 Goaltender of the Buffalo Sabres in 2018/2019......

Forget about the Sabres trading for Holtby or any other goalie..... yes the Sabres will be trading Lehner.....
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Apr. 7, 2018 at 12:38 a.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
BUF
Holtby
Connoly
Petry (a real D )
Mccarron
2019 1st(MTL )
2020 2nd pick (WSH)

WSH
Shaw(third line center who wins 55-57% faceoffs ,hits , draws penalties and has 2 cups on a team thats had no playoff success since he left as you need a solid third line to win a cup in todays NHL)
Beaulieu(PP is where he produce 60-70% of his points so in WSH he shoudl thive in a 2nd or 3rd pair LD role)
Schlemko
2020 2nd pick(MTL)
2021 2nd round pick (BUF)


MTL
O'reilly
Nylander(taking Moulson is part of the deal in getting this player)
Moulson
Pinho (center prospect , former late pick from NCAA not even on your roster )

BUF gives up
Oreilly
Nylander
Beaulieu
2nd pick in 2021
and gets to dump Moulson

WSH gives up
Holtby
Connoly
Pinho
a 2nd pick in 2020

MTL gives up
Petry
Mccarron
Shaw
Schlemko
1st round pick in 2019
2nd round pick in 2020


Only issue is caps have eller who is a great #3 center swap Shaw out with maybe a solid center or d prospect and it could work
Apr. 7, 2018 at 12:39 a.m.
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Well well well..... Linus Ullmark will be the #1 Goaltender of the Buffalo Sabres in 2018/2019......

Forget about the Sabres trading for Holtby or any other goalie..... yes the Sabres will be trading Lehner.....



They want to win...... and if true holtby would be a great mentor for him to start 20-21
Apr. 7, 2018 at 1:58 a.m.
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They want to win...... and if true holtby would be a great mentor for him to start 20-21


The Sabres are 2-3 years away from competing. That has been the problem here in Buffalo everyone thinks that the team is ready to compete. Just because you say something does not make it true.

If what you say is accurate why would we trade away ROR in addition to the #32 pick in this years draft for a $6.1 million goalie and a veteran D. Where do you think that this trade has anything close to fair value to the Sabres.

Under your theory the Sabres would be better off resigning Lehner or Chad Johnson as they would not have to give up the kings ransom. The loss of ROR would make an already inept offense even more inept. Last time I checked goalies do not score any goals and the Sabres are dead last in offense.

Linus only needs a blanket.... he is ready and willing to be the #1 goalie in 2018/2019.
Apr. 7, 2018 at 2:37 a.m.
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The Sabres are 2-3 years away from competing. That has been the problem here in Buffalo everyone thinks that the team is ready to compete. Just because you say something does not make it true.

If what you say is accurate why would we trade away ROR in addition to the #32 pick in this years draft for a $6.1 million goalie and a veteran D. Where do you think that this trade has anything close to fair value to the Sabres.

Under your theory the Sabres would be better off resigning Lehner or Chad Johnson as they would not have to give up the kings ransom. The loss of ROR would make an already inept offense even more inept. Last time I checked goalies do not score any goals and the Sabres are dead last in offense.

Linus only needs a blanket.... he is ready and willing to be the #1 goalie in 2018/2019.


Holtby is a vez winning goalie who hold the nhl record for most wins in a season. He easily helps win more games than ror. He doesn’t score but he ror doesn’t save 30-40 shots a night and buffalo goalie situation is terrible. If you honestly think ulmark is the future you’re also the same idiot who thought rl was the answer haha.

Holtby value > ror value esp at his current cap hit

My theory is buffalo is awful and ror isn’t a difference maker like holtby. But again whatever you think.
Apr. 7, 2018 at 2:37 a.m.
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The Sabres are 2-3 years away from competing. That has been the problem here in Buffalo everyone thinks that the team is ready to compete. Just because you say something does not make it true.

If what you say is accurate why would we trade away ROR in addition to the #32 pick in this years draft for a $6.1 million goalie and a veteran D. Where do you think that this trade has anything close to fair value to the Sabres.

Under your theory the Sabres would be better off resigning Lehner or Chad Johnson as they would not have to give up the kings ransom. The loss of ROR would make an already inept offense even more inept. Last time I checked goalies do not score any goals and the Sabres are dead last in offense.

Linus only needs a blanket.... he is ready and willing to be the #1 goalie in 2018/2019.


Holtby is a vez winning goalie who hold the nhl record for most wins in a season. He easily helps win more games than ror. He doesn’t score but he ror doesn’t save 30-40 shots a night and buffalo goalie situation is terrible. If you honestly think ulmark is the future you’re also the same idiot who thought rl was the answer haha.

Holtby value > ror value esp at his current cap hit

My theory is buffalo is awful and ror isn’t a difference maker like holtby. But again whatever you think.
Apr. 7, 2018 at 2:54 a.m.
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Holtby is a vez winning goalie who hold the nhl record for most wins in a season. He easily helps win more games than ror. He doesn’t score but he ror doesn’t save 30-40 shots a night and buffalo goalie situation is terrible. If you honestly think ulmark is the future you’re also the same idiot who thought rl was the answer haha.

Holtby value > ror value esp at his current cap hit

My theory is buffalo is awful and ror isn’t a difference maker like holtby. But again whatever you think.


If ROR is so terrible why do you want to trade for him...... you base theory for the trade makes absolutely no sense...... a goalie does not make the Sabres better it has not been the goalie that has caused the team to under perform. It is the forwards inability to play defense.

Just explain to me if Holtby is such a top tier goalie why do you want to trade him..... doesn't Grubes need a winning tutor. Is it that Holtby does not know how to win in the playoffs....... hmmmm

We will be happy to keep ROR the two draft picks and let our crappy goalie Ullmark play goal..... hey what do I know I am just an idiot according to you.
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If ROR is so terrible why do you want to trade for him...... you base theory for the trade makes absolutely no sense...... a goalie does not make the Sabres better it has not been the goalie that has caused the team to under perform. It is the forwards inability to play defense.

Just explain to me if Holtby is such a top tier goalie why do you want to trade him..... doesn't Grubes need a winning tutor. Is it that Holtby does not know how to win in the playoffs....... hmmmm

We will be happy to keep ROR the two draft picks and let our crappy goalie Ullmark play goal..... hey what do I know I am just an idiot according to you.


Holtby has won more playoff series than buffalo in the last 5 years huh?

I traded for him then immediately traded him haha he at best would be a 3rd line center on the caps even at that he might not beat out eller.

A great goalie can help you win. Caps Started 2 rookies on d and orpik and finished to of the division. Bowey and djoo player under 15 nhl combined before this year. Caps finished top the division. So yeah holtby does help buffalo win bc they have garbage goalies. You traded a 1st rl and your bitching about ror for holtby. A vez winning goalie.

You had 25 wins this season. I mean holtby wins you 25 games with an ahl team infrint of him. Haha agree to disagree I’m done
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If ROR is so terrible why do you want to trade for him...... you base theory for the trade makes absolutely no sense...... a goalie does not make the Sabres better it has not been the goalie that has caused the team to under perform. It is the forwards inability to play defense.

Just explain to me if Holtby is such a top tier goalie why do you want to trade him..... doesn't Grubes need a winning tutor. Is it that Holtby does not know how to win in the playoffs....... hmmmm

We will be happy to keep ROR the two draft picks and let our crappy goalie Ullmark play goal..... hey what do I know I am just an idiot according to you.


To answer your question caps have 3 goalie that are top tier

Holtby is the one that can fetch the largest return

Grub is playing lights out and samsonov is the future

Grub played 3 years behind holtby he looks great .......so yeah
Apr. 7, 2018 at 7:24 a.m.
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Why wouldn't Montreal just make a trade for ROR strait up ? I also don't see Gallagher being traded.


I agree 100%. IMO Ullmark is ready. Gallagher would be a great addition to the top line, with 2 more picks and Benn as a 3rd pairing would be a huge haul for O'Reilly.
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Apr. 7, 2018 at 8:35 a.m.
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BUF
Holtby
Connoly
Petry (a real D )
Mccarron
2019 1st(MTL )
2020 2nd pick (WSH)

WSH
Shaw(third line center who wins 55-57% faceoffs ,hits , draws penalties and has 2 cups on a team thats had no playoff success since he left as you need a solid third line to win a cup in todays NHL)
Beaulieu(PP is where he produce 60-70% of his points so in WSH he shoudl thive in a 2nd or 3rd pair LD role)
Schlemko
2020 2nd pick(MTL)
2021 2nd round pick (BUF)


MTL
O'reilly
Nylander(taking Moulson is part of the deal in getting this player)
Moulson
Pinho (center prospect , former late pick from NCAA not even on your roster )

BUF gives up
Oreilly
Nylander
Beaulieu
2nd pick in 2021
and gets to dump Moulson

WSH gives up
Holtby
Connoly
Pinho
a 2nd pick in 2020

MTL gives up
Petry
Mccarron
Shaw
Schlemko
1st round pick in 2019
2nd round pick in 2020




Quoting: Capitalfail67
Only issue is caps have eller who is a great #3 center swap Shaw out with maybe a solid center or d prospect and it could work


Only other issue is that unless the Caps are trading Ovechkin, they have no power play time available at the left point, even for Orlov or Djoos. Beaulieu could do great in ECHL South Carolina. Definitely do not want him in Hershey taking power play time away from Lucas Johansen. At evens he's -20 this year, with one more goal, one less assist, and two hundred less hits than Orpik. But he's younger, so he must be better? Nah. That's a cap dump. And on most Habs builds, Schlemko's a cap dump. On many, Shaw is a cap dump.

So you're saying the Caps should trade Holtby for O'Reilly (which Buffalo does not want) and then trade O'Reilly for cap dumps and two second round picks.

I think the Caps can get a better offer.

Buffalo's fanbase on here appears evenly divided between the haters who post radical roster demolitions and think O'Reilly is a cap dump, too, and the patient fans who read the comments of other fanbases' trades for O'Reilly and point out that he should not be traded because he's got twenty goals, a ton of assists, and decent possession numbers on a team with awful defense this year.

The net effect is like watching someone argue with themself.

Players Washington could use from Buf, whom I totally agree Buffalo should not trade: O'Reilly, Ristolainen, Nylander,

Guys Buffalo fans in comments sections have said they want from any other team:

Does that clear things up?
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Only other issue is that unless the Caps are trading Ovechkin, they have no power play time available at the left point, even for Orlov or Djoos. Beaulieu could do great in ECHL South Carolina. Definitely do not want him in Hershey taking power play time away from Lucas Johansen. At evens he's -20 this year, with one more goal, one less assist, and two hundred less hits than Orpik. But he's younger, so he must be better? Nah. That's a cap dump. And on most Habs builds, Schlemko's a cap dump. On many, Shaw is a cap dump.

So you're saying the Caps should trade Holtby for O'Reilly (which Buffalo does not want) and then trade O'Reilly for cap dumps and two second round picks.

I think the Caps can get a better offer.

Buffalo's fanbase on here appears evenly divided between the haters who post radical roster demolitions and think O'Reilly is a cap dump, too, and the patient fans who read the comments of other fanbases' trades for O'Reilly and point out that he should not be traded because he's got twenty goals, a ton of assists, and decent possession numbers on a team with awful defense this year.

The net effect is like watching someone argue with themself.

Players Washington could use from Buf, whom I totally agree Buffalo should not trade: O'Reilly, Ristolainen, Nylander,

Guys Buffalo fans in comments sections have said they want from any other team:

Does that clear things up?



Explain why buff fans think Ullmark is the answer to all goalie issues
Apr. 7, 2018 at 10:50 a.m.
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Explain why buff fans think Ullmark is the answer to all goalie issues


I'm guessing they just don't care and would rather develop a decent prospect and keep their picks, while they look to trade Lehner and try to recoup, if not the 1st pick they put in, at least a 2nd when some other team's starter gets injured.

Finding a trade for Holtby means finding a team looking to improve, rather than one that has already written off next year as a growth experience.

This mindset is also why some Buffalo fans want to give away O'Reilly for free. But again, those fans just build teams. They don't comment on other people's builds. So you have to go into the Bufalo threads to find them.
 
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