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Making Tavares stay revisited

Created by: lavsim96
Team: 2018-19 New York Islanders
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 11, 2018
Published: Apr. 11, 2018
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Apr. 11, 2018 at 1:28 p.m.
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That's a good offer for OEL but i don't think Arizona takes it.

Also, that doesn't get you Allen.
Apr. 11, 2018 at 1:59 p.m.
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I understand the logic: Tavares has seen the Isles miss the playoffs even with him there, so they need to upgrade the defense and goaltending.

Putting Leddy and Ekman-Larsson together on the left side of the same team might reduce each of their workload enough that OEL isn't -28 and Leddy isn't -40. But what if it doesn't? They each got about a third of their 40ish points this year on the power play, and the Islanders will only have so many power plays to go around. You're overpaying for a one year rental on a left defenseman who's got the same strengths and weaknesses as the one you already have, who isn't getting the job done.

Jake Allen won thirty games once, but not this year, and he's 27, the age most athletes hit their peak. https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/a/allenja01.html What if it's all down hill from here.

So, while I agree that upgrading the defense and goaltending could help convince Tavares that he shouldn't just join one of the teams that's already in the playoffs without him.... I'm not entirely convinced you have done so. Probably. Slightly. Maybe?

If I were Tavares, I'd still pick Toronto, Vegas, or maybe Colorado. In this scenario he has a chance to make a plan to stay in the playoffs for the next seven years, or to hit them once or twice before OEL walks and Allen declines. Those other teams have just as much young talent, and are in the dance, or closer to it, without Tavares, than the Islanders are WITH Tavares. So unless Tavares has no actual value, adding him to them lands them in the playoffs, and they stay there a while.
Apr. 11, 2018 at 2:14 p.m.
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I am not sure there is a deal the Islanders could make at this point (barring a crazy Erik Karlsson trade) that would give the Isles anything close to a guarantee at re-signing Tavares. None of your moves, above, make the Islanders a legitimate playoff contender and that's the problem. If anything, the Isles are sacrificing a bunch of their future for a question mark in net and a rental of OEL for a single season with no guarantee there either that OEL would resign long-term with them. My honest opinion is that Tavares will hold off until he speaks to the rest of the league during that UFA interview period and will make a decision to sign with either the Stars, Devils, Nashville or Colorado. If Isles fans are disappointed, they really only have their team's management group, and specifically Garth Snow, to blame here. But I 100% believe Tavares will NOT be an Isle at the start of next season.
Apr. 11, 2018 at 2:22 p.m.
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I am not sure there is a deal the Islanders could make at this point (barring a crazy Erik Karlsson trade) that would give the Isles anything close to a guarantee at re-signing Tavares. None of your moves, above, make the Islanders a legitimate playoff contender and that's the problem. If anything, the Isles are sacrificing a bunch of their future for a question mark in net and a rental of OEL for a single season with no guarantee there either that OEL would resign long-term with them. My honest opinion is that Tavares will hold off until he speaks to the rest of the league during that UFA interview period and will make a decision to sign with either the Stars, Devils, Nashville or Colorado. If Isles fans are disappointed, they really only have their team's management group, and specifically Garth Snow, to blame here. But I 100% believe Tavares will NOT be an Isle at the start of next season.


And i bet you said the same thing for Stammer :S i believe there are still 50% chances he stays. JT seems like a guy who has very high loyalty towards the organisation and fans just like stammer so he only need to see the team has a plan to be a contender and he'll stay. With Barzal, Pulock, Beauvillier, Ho-sang the future looks birght there.
Apr. 11, 2018 at 2:27 p.m.
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Pick #40 overall, a 5th the following year, and a backup G for Allen? Blues could probably take that offer if they were comfortable with Carter Hutton signing in STL as the 1A. Hutton/Greiss might not be a bad option. I'd rather trade Jake for straight picks and let Husso back up Hutton until mgmt feels he's ready to be a starter. Could sign someone like Bernier/Cam Ward/Chad Johnson for 1 yr as an insurance option behind Hutton/Husso...if they get lost to waivers no loss in assets. I'm just not that comfortable with Jake Allen at the wheel for 3 more years, and the Isles probably shouldn't be either.
Apr. 11, 2018 at 2:48 p.m.
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Pick #40 overall, a 5th the following year, and a backup G for Allen? Blues could probably take that offer if they were comfortable with Carter Hutton signing in STL as the 1A. Hutton/Greiss might not be a bad option. I'd rather trade Jake for straight picks and let Husso back up Hutton until mgmt feels he's ready to be a starter. Could sign someone like Bernier/Cam Ward/Chad Johnson for 1 yr as an insurance option behind Hutton/Husso...if they get lost to waivers no loss in assets. I'm just not that comfortable with Jake Allen at the wheel for 3 more years, and the Isles probably shouldn't be either.


I think Allen looked really good in the past at times with the Blues especially last year after he was sent home and came back and played really well but than other times he is really bad and hasn't been putting up solid perfomances in saint-louis this year, very inconsistent but maybe in a different team with less pressure he can find a bit more consistency in his game, and still the blues only missed the playoffs by one point with him and hutton in net.
By the looks of it Holtby and Grubauer are battling to be the no.1 in Washington so maybe the blues can make an offer for Holtby since im pretty sure the Caps wont trade a starter to a divisonal rival like the isles.
Apr. 11, 2018 at 6:58 p.m.
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And i bet you said the same thing for Stammer :S i believe there are still 50% chances he stays. JT seems like a guy who has very high loyalty towards the organisation and fans just like stammer so he only need to see the team has a plan to be a contender and he'll stay. With Barzal, Pulock, Beauvillier, Ho-sang the future looks birght there.


I would never mix situations, as they are completely different.
Apr. 11, 2018 at 7:10 p.m.
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I would never mix situations, as they are completely different.


how are they so different mate? Two superstars drafted first overall by their respective franchise, pending ufa at the same age and playing in U.S markets.
Apr. 12, 2018 at 1:29 a.m.
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how are they so different mate? Two superstars drafted first overall by their respective franchise, pending ufa at the same age and playing in U.S markets.


Just off the top of my head, I would point to the Lightning playoff success since drafting Stamkos, while the Isles have had basically none since drafting Tavares. Stamkos's GM is Steve Yzerman, Tavares' is Garth Snow, enough said there. In Florida, players do not pay income tax, while they do in New York (that's potentially millions of dollars a player would get to keep). Even though attendance numbers haven't always been there while the team had been rebuilding when they drafted Stamkos, he has played for a solid and stable hockey ops department, management group and ownership, the same cannot be said for John Tavares. Again, this is just off the top. Imagine the distinctions I could make if I actually did some research.
 
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