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Getting younger, new core.

Created by: lavsim96
Team: 2017-18 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 12, 2018
Published: Apr. 12, 2018
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Description
We pick #4 Boqvist.
We pick # 13 either Veleno, Hayton or Kupari (centers)
We sign Pleky
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Johns, Stephen
  2. 2018 1st round pick (DAL)
  3. 2019 3rd round pick (DAL)
Additional Details:
pick is 13th overall
2.
MTL
  1. Orpik, Brooks
  2. 2019 2nd round pick (WSH)
Additional Details:
Cap dump for the caps, saving 3,4m of cap space.
3.
4.
PHI
  1. Lehkonen, Artturi
  2. Weber, Shea ($2,000,000 retained)
  3. 2018 2nd round pick (MTL)
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DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2018
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2019
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2020
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$78,000,000$52,846,166$0$3,257,500$25,153,834
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$4,900,000$4,900,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 3
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,650,000$3M)
C, RW
UFA - 3
$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
$650,000$650,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
$912,500$912,500
C
UFA - 1
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$725,000$725,000
LW
UFA - 1
$650,000$650,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
$1,166,667$1,166,667
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$725,000$725,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
$650,000$650,000
C
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$4,167,000$4,167,000
LD
UFA - 6
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
$6,500,000$6,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 1
$748,333$748,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
LD/RD
UFA - 3
$725,000$725,000
RD
UFA - 1
$700,000$700,000
G
UFA - 1
$725,000$725,000
LD
UFA - 2
$863,333$863,333
RD
UFA - 3
$4,625,000$4,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 5
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
$5,500,000$5,500,000
LD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
$3,900,000$3,900,000
C, RW
UFA - 5

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Apr. 12, 2018 at 1:13 p.m.
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Philly trade is a huge no.
Apr. 12, 2018 at 1:18 p.m.
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Quoting: NateElder12
Philly trade is a huge no.


Explain? They need a top pairing right d-man since they already got plenty of lefty, they were the ones who signed him this contract back in 2012 as an offer sheet.
Patrick is stuck behind Couturier, Giroux and Konecny which is why they traded Schenn last summer. The value might not be quite there yet but i don't believe its a huge no.
Apr. 12, 2018 at 1:22 p.m.
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Quoting: lavsim96
Explain? They need a top pairing right d-man since they already got plenty of lefty, they were the ones who signed him this contract back in 2012 as an offer sheet.
Patrick is stuck behind Couturier, Giroux and Konecny which is why they traded Schenn last summer. The value might not be quite there yet but i don't believe its a huge no.


lol what are you talking about? They traded Schenn because they didnt know how to use him and because they knew Patrick and Lindblom would be ready this year. Patrick isn't buried behind anyone. Giroux and Konecny are wingers anyway. He's the 2nd center. It's a huge no easily. If you can't see why a team wouldn't trade a 19 year old rookie #2 center for Weber than idk what to tell you man. It doesn't make any sense and there isn't really a nice way to explain it so ill leave it at that. It's just terrible lol. Would they be interested in Weber? Yes. But there is a 0% chance Patrick would be what they trade for him. You'd be better off making it 4 1sts rounders before Patrick honestly.
Apr. 12, 2018 at 1:37 p.m.
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lol what are you talking about? They traded Schenn because they didnt know how to use him and because they knew Patrick and Lindblom would be ready this year. Patrick isn't buried behind anyone. Giroux and Konecny are wingers anyway. He's the 2nd center. It's a huge no easily. If you can't see why a team wouldn't trade a 19 year old rookie #2 center for Weber than idk what to tell you man. It doesn't make any sense and there isn't really a nice way to explain it so ill leave it at that. It's just terrible lol. Would they be interested in Weber? Yes. But there is a 0% chance Patrick would be what they trade for him. You'd be better off making it 4 1sts rounders before Patrick honestly.


man are you even a flyers fan? Giroux is definetly a center even if he does play wing at times, just like Stamkos or Malkin plays wing sometimes....
The flyers are in win now mode, their core is mature for a cup run and adding Weber would make them legitimate contenders.
You didn't even consider the value of the habs retaining 2m of his salary or throwing lehkonen and i'll add a second round pick.
At 5.8m Weber is an absolute offer and is still at 33 a top pairing guy and will be for the next 2 years before he starts slowing down but remaining top-4 material just like Chara.
For me Patrick is not untouchable and the flyers got really lucky to get the #2 pick overall and i am sure it wasn't in the long term plan to end up with him.
chill out dude this is only a hockey forum.
Apr. 12, 2018 at 1:47 p.m.
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man are you even a flyers fan? Giroux is definetly a center even if he does play wing at times, just like Stamkos or Malkin plays wing sometimes....
The flyers are in win now mode, their core is mature for a cup run and adding Weber would make them legitimate contenders.
You didn't even consider the value of the habs retaining 2m of his salary or throwing lehkonen and i'll add a second round pick.
At 5.8m Weber is an absolute offer and is still at 33 a top pairing guy and will be for the next 2 years before he starts slowing down but remaining top-4 material just like Chara.
For me Patrick is not untouchable and the flyers got really lucky to get the #2 pick overall and i am sure it wasn't in the long term plan to end up with him.
chill out dude this is only a hockey forum.


lol im chill you're just not making any sense and as a Flyers fan I was telling you that Patrick would be untouchable. Giroux is a full time winger and Konecny has never even played center in the NHL in his two seasons. Idk how much of the Flyers you watch but they are far from win now mode. They had the second youngest team in the NHL until they added Oduya and have been going through a retool since Hexy was hired. Just do a bit more research on other teams before you you claim to know everything about them man. Patrick might not be untouchable for you but he is to the Flyers. If you want a guy to play center for Weber you'd be better off trying to get Giroux straight up and moving him back to the middle for MTL. Just because they got the number two pick and that wasn't in the plan doesn't mean you just trade him away because you didn't plan to win the lottery lol - it's just awful asset management and doesn't even make sense.
Apr. 12, 2018 at 1:49 p.m.
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Weber has so little value, he will not be traded. Whether its at 5m/ season or the full price, the term is way too long and he has been regressing for the past 2 seasons. Patrick has #1c potential so they won't give him up for that package. You say flyers are in win now mode, but they have an amazing young core with Konecny, Ghost, Provorov and Patrick. They will have a second wind of competitiveness in 4 years, and I think if they get knocked out in the first round thats what they will build towards.
Apr. 12, 2018 at 1:58 p.m.
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Quoting: NateElder12
lol im chill you're just not making any sense and as a Flyers fan I was telling you that Patrick would be untouchable. Giroux is a full time winger and Konecny has never even played center in the NHL in his two seasons. Idk how much of the Flyers you watch but they are far from win now mode. They had the second youngest team in the NHL until they added Oduya and have been going through a retool since Hexy was hired. Just do a bit more research on other teams before you you claim to know everything about them man. Patrick might not be untouchable for you but he is to the Flyers. If you want a guy to play center for Weber you'd be better off trying to get Giroux straight up and moving him back to the middle for MTL. Just because they got the number two pick and that wasn't in the plan doesn't mean you just trade him away because you didn't plan to win the lottery lol - it's just awful asset management and doesn't even make sense.


Well all i'll say is this: i thought Subban and Sergachev were untouchable and i would have never believed they would get tarded, especially for what we got for them but then sh*t happens and we lose em both.
But Hextall has been a good GM for the Flyers and i agree about the flyers retooling but still with Voracek, Giroux, Simmonds all in their prime and Ghost, Provorov and Konecny playin so good despite their young age i'd say the flyers could put an end to the retool-mode and start making a real push for the cup.
That being said, being a flyers fan i wouldn't like the idea of trading away Patrick and i get the reaction from philly fans.
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Apr. 12, 2018 at 1:59 p.m.
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Weber has so little value, he will not be traded. Whether its at 5m/ season or the full price, the term is way too long and he has been regressing for the past 2 seasons. Patrick has #1c potential so they won't give him up for that package. You say flyers are in win now mode, but they have an amazing young core with Konecny, Ghost, Provorov and Patrick. They will have a second wind of competitiveness in 4 years, and I think if they get knocked out in the first round thats what they will build towards.


Fair enough, if Weber's contract was ending like in two years he would have so much more value. But his contract drains all his value.
Apr. 12, 2018 at 2:11 p.m.
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Well all i'll say is this: i thought Subban and Sergachev were untouchable and i would have never believed they would get tarded, especially for what we got for them but then sh*t happens and we lose em both.
But Hextall has been a good GM for the Flyers and i agree about the flyers retooling but still with Voracek, Giroux, Simmonds all in their prime and Ghost, Provorov and Konecny playin so good despite their young age i'd say the flyers could put an end to the retool-mode and start making a real push for the cup.
That being said, being a flyers fan i wouldn't like the idea of trading away Patrick and i get the reaction from philly fans.


Yeah I get what you're saying too but I'm just basing off Hexy's comments he's made public about Patrick, Frost, Hart, and Ratcliffe being untouchable. The Flyers probably aren't going to flip that switch to win now mode until they see what Carter Hart is as a pro since a lot of the retool is just waiting to find a goalie. Also, it's not even a for sure thing that Simmonds is back with the team. Patrick has replaced him on the first PP now and he plays on the third line 5v5 with Filppula. Plus they are still waiting for guys in the farm to be close to NHL ready specifically Allison, Laczynski, Frost, Hart, Myers, and Ratcliffe. When players like Read, Manning, Lehtera, Weise, and Filppula are exchanged for the others is when I could see Hexy making a huge move like trying to pry Karlsson/Doughty in two years or trading for a Weber type player. They aren't going to do that before the window is even close to opening up because like you said they'd be wasting the last few years of Weber being good and then when they are ready to be good they are stuck with a Seabrook type dman tying up all the cap that could be used to resign Konecny, Provorov, Patrick, Lindblom, and Sanheim.
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Apr. 12, 2018 at 2:24 p.m.
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Yeah I get what you're saying too but I'm just basing off Hexy's comments he's made public about Patrick, Frost, Hart, and Ratcliffe being untouchable. The Flyers probably aren't going to flip that switch to win now mode until they see what Carter Hart is as a pro since a lot of the retool is just waiting to find a goalie. Also, it's not even a for sure thing that Simmonds is back with the team. Patrick has replaced him on the first PP now and he plays on the third line 5v5 with Filppula. Plus they are still waiting for guys in the farm to be close to NHL ready specifically Allison, Laczynski, Frost, Hart, Myers, and Ratcliffe. When players like Read, Manning, Lehtera, Weise, and Filppula are exchanged for the others is when I could see Hexy making a huge move like trying to pry Karlsson/Doughty in two years or trading for a Weber type player. They aren't going to do that before the window is even close to opening up because like you said they'd be wasting the last few years of Weber being good and then when they are ready to be good they are stuck with a Seabrook type dman tying up all the cap that could be used to resign Konecny, Provorov, Patrick, Lindblom, and Sanheim.


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Apr. 12, 2018 at 2:38 p.m.
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Edited Apr. 12, 2018 at 2:43 p.m.
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Yeah I get what you're saying too but I'm just basing off Hexy's comments he's made public about Patrick, Frost, Hart, and Ratcliffe being untouchable. The Flyers probably aren't going to flip that switch to win now mode until they see what Carter Hart is as a pro since a lot of the retool is just waiting to find a goalie. Also, it's not even a for sure thing that Simmonds is back with the team. Patrick has replaced him on the first PP now and he plays on the third line 5v5 with Filppula. Plus they are still waiting for guys in the farm to be close to NHL ready specifically Allison, Laczynski, Frost, Hart, Myers, and Ratcliffe. When players like Read, Manning, Lehtera, Weise, and Filppula are exchanged for the others is when I could see Hexy making a huge move like trying to pry Karlsson/Doughty in two years or trading for a Weber type player. They aren't going to do that before the window is even close to opening up because like you said they'd be wasting the last few years of Weber being good and then when they are ready to be good they are stuck with a Seabrook type dman tying up all the cap that could be used to resign Konecny, Provorov, Patrick, Lindblom, and Sanheim.


I hope for the flyers that's what happenes, EK65 in philly would actually look really nice with provorov and ghost!
And since you talk about flyers propect, what's the value of Morin? Bergevin wanted to draft him, i remember watching a flyers draft video where they showed Holmgren and Bergevin talking about trading the flyers first so the habs could draft Morin but flyers wanted to draft him so bad they said no. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW-9RUMbIGQ
So is he still part of the plans in philly? What's his value? Would you swap him for our first round bust Mccaron?
Apr. 12, 2018 at 2:50 p.m.
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I hope for the flyers that's what happenes, EK65 in philly would actually look really nice with provorov and ghost!
And since you talk about flyers propect, what's the value of Morin? Bergevin wanted to draft him, i remember watching a flyers draft video where they showed Holmgren and Bergevin talking about trading the flyers first so the habs could draft Morin but flyers wanted to draft him so bad they said no. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW-9RUMbIGQ
So is he still part of the plans in philly? What's his value? Would you swap him for our first round bust Mccaron?


Me personally I wouldn't and not because he is amazing or anything but because we have a lot more issues on defense right now than on offense. I like Morin a bit more than Hagg but they are probably both third pairing guys when all is said and done. Morin was a bit unlucky this year due to injuries. Both times he could have been called up he was hurt - same with Myers actually. He would be available but that's because he isn't waiver exempt next season so he has to make the big team or MTL might be able to have him for free haha. I could see him being dealt like the Marody deal to a team looking to take a cheap flier on a former 1st rounder or added to a Simmonds type deal as some extra value for a good player. Mccaron doesn't really move the needle much when you look at the Flyers depth. Is he any better than Leier, Martel, Vecchione, or Aube-Kubel? Those are the guys they use as extras and would be call ups form the AHL next year for injuries.
Apr. 12, 2018 at 11:50 p.m.
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It think Habs doesn't want Patrick anyway... not the type of C they're looking for. They'd prefer to wait for Poehling, draft one or trade Pacioretty than Weber, Lekhonen and a 2nd.
Weber is more valuable than everyone above might thinks. His contract is better than ever, and he's a leader, a big scary RD and will retire as #3 d-men at worse. He's got more goals than most D thanks to his PP slapshot. All this just because Subban looks good on a perfectly structured Nashville core... Weber is a BEAST! (not saying that as a habs fan ahah)
Its the Drouin's trade who surprised me actually. Klefbom is good and has some of what the habs need, but has far less value than Drouin who had an poor season for his potential.
 
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