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Canadiens without Tavares (Please comment)

Created by: MTLFAN27
Initial Creation Date: Apr 13, 2018
Published: Apr 13, 2018 at 7:03
Team: 2018-19 Montreal Canadiens
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Danault, Phillip4$3,250,000
De La Rose, Jacob2$1,250,000
Domi, Max5$5,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Thornton, Joe2$6,000,000
Grabner, Michael3$3,500,000
Kane, Evander7$6,500,000
Bernier, Jonathan3$2,250,000
Trades
MTL
  1. 2019 3rd round pick (ARI)
Rights to RFA Max Domi
ARI
  1. Drouin, Jonathan
MTL
  1. Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
  2. Klefbom, Oscar
  3. Kassian, Zack
EDM
  1. Galchenyuk, Alex
  2. Pacioretty, Max
  3. Schlemko, David
MTL
  1. 2020 4th round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Benn, Jordie
Buyouts
  • Andrew Shaw: $808,333
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Max Pacioretty: $450,000 (10%)
  • Marco Scandella: $2,000,000 (50%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2019
MTL
MTL
MTL
ARI
MTL
MTL
MTL
2020
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
COL
MTL
MTL
MTL
2021
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$78,000,000$80,374,142$0$782,500-$2,374,142

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
Domi, Max
$5,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
$6,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
Gallagher, Brendan
$3,750,000
RW
UFA - 3
Byron, Paul
$1,166,667
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Thornton, Joe
$6,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
Grabner, Michael
$3,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 3
Kane, Evander
$6,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 7
Danault, Phillip
$3,250,000
C
UFA - 3
Scherbak, Nikita
$863,333
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Hudon, Charles
$650,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
De La Rose, Jacob
$1,250,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
Kassian, Zack
$1,950,000
RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Reilly, Mike
$725,000
LD
UFA - 1
Weber, Shea
$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 8
Price, Carey
$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 8
Klefbom, Oscar
$4,167,000
LD
UFA - 5
Petry, Jeff
$5,500,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 3
Bernier, Jonathan
$2,250,000
G
UFA - 3
Mete, Victor
$748,333
LD/RD
RFA - 2
Juulsen, Noah
$863,333
RD
RFA - 2
Alzner, Karl
$4,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 4

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Domi, M.
Nugent-Hopkins, R.
Gallagher, B.
Kane, E.
Weber, S.
Power Play 2
Byron, P.
Thornton, J.
Grabner, M.
Klefbom, O.
Petry, J.
Penalty Kill 1
Byron, P.
Kassian, Z.
Klefbom, O.
Weber, S.
Penalty Kill 2
Thornton, J.
Gallagher, B.
Mete, V.
Petry, J.

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Apr 13, 2018 at 7:53
#1
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why comment?Montreal Canadiens
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Apr 13, 2018 at 8:33
#2
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Another Habs fan trying to trade one of either Benn or Schlemko to the Avs for a pick! The Avs would have no need or use for either. Zadorov, Girard, Nemeth, Barberio, Lindholm, Siemens, Warsofsky - all left handed D who would be ahead of them for the Avs.
Apr 13, 2018 at 8:39
#3
Lavsim
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Edited Apr 13, 2018 at 9:05
stop with the RNH trades already, he is a smallish center who plays poor defence and is overpaid. it's like they last guy we would need to fix our center-line.
I liked the Domi trade tho, i can't stand Drouin and his attitude. I think the value is there on that one.
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Apr 13, 2018 at 8:47
#4
Lavsim
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Quoting: TJTwolf
Another Habs fan trying to trade one of either Benn or Schlemko to the Avs for a pick! The Avs would have no need or use for either. Zadorov, Girard, Nemeth, Barberio, Lindholm, Siemens, Warsofsky - all left handed D who would be ahead of them for the Avs.


lol well schlemko is worst than benn so at least he didn't gave you our worst trash aha but yea you guys don't really have need for left d unless it's a solid top 4 guy because Zadorov and Girard as your best left-handed shot is.......okay but it could be much better.
i'd see the avs getting one of Brodin, Scandella or hell even OEL!
Apr 13, 2018 at 8:59
#5
Billy739
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Quoting: TJTwolf
Another Habs fan trying to trade one of either Benn or Schlemko to the Avs for a pick! The Avs would have no need or use for either. Zadorov, Girard, Nemeth, Barberio, Lindholm, Siemens, Warsofsky - all left handed D who would be ahead of them for the Avs.


Benns a top shot blocker who plaid RD most of his career until he landed on CJ's Team.
his back hand in transition is pretty strong due to years or practice and he's cheap .


Schlemko's just trash like Hemsky and only deserves a buyout .
Apr 13, 2018 at 9:06
#6
BigBeardBurns
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 3,350
Likes: 535
The Canadiens were without Tavares 100 years ago.
They didnt have him when they won 27 (I think) cups.
He wasn’t there with all the HoF players they had.
He wasn’t there when this team was still a strong playoff contender.
He’s not there now.
The Canadiens Without Tavares is... right now.
Apr 13, 2018 at 9:28
#7
Who adds what?
Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 12,885
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Quoting: BigBeardBurns
The Canadiens were without Tavares 100 years ago.
They didnt have him when they won 27 (I think) cups.
He wasn’t there with all the HoF players they had.
He wasn’t there when this team was still a strong playoff contender.
He’s not there now.
The Canadiens Without Tavares is... right now.


It must have been so sad for them, winning all those Cups, but not having the best unrestricted free agent center of 2018.
Apr 14, 2018 at 3:53
#8
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Quoting: Billy739
Benns a top shot blocker who plaid RD most of his career until he landed on CJ's Team.
his back hand in transition is pretty strong due to years or practice and he's cheap .


Schlemko's just trash like Hemsky and only deserves a buyout .


If Benn is a RD he's still behind Johnson, Barrie, Timmins & Meloche, (not necessarily on current ability but Meloche & Timmins won't get better if they don't get the opportunity, and a rebuilding team is better to give those two guys a chance) and it would make also more sense to sign Makar and bring him on sooner than waste a mid-range pick, or even a low one, on Benn.
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Apr 14, 2018 at 3:55
#9
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Quoting: lavsim96
lol well schlemko is worst than benn so at least he didn't gave you our worst trash aha but yea you guys don't really have need for left d unless it's a solid top 4 guy because Zadorov and Girard as your best left-handed shot is.......okay but it could be much better.
i'd see the avs getting one of Brodin, Scandella or hell even OEL!


Yes, perhaps only 'okay' but still better than Benn or Schlemko, and agreed, if the Avs go for more D it's going to be someone better.
Apr 15, 2018 at 11:14
#10
Billy739
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Quoting: TJTwolf
If Benn is a RD he's still behind Johnson, Barrie, Timmins & Meloche, (not necessarily on current ability but Meloche & Timmins won't get better if they don't get the opportunity, and a rebuilding team is better to give those two guys a chance) and it would make also more sense to sign Makar and bring him on sooner than waste a mid-range pick, or even a low one, on Benn.


buys the kids 1 year to develop say what you will Playing Timmons NHL now is asking for Concussion issues for the young D who will be getting punished out there .
(we lost Mete for the year playing him to early .

but point taken
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Apr 15, 2018 at 11:16
#11
Billy739
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Quoting: TJTwolf
If Benn is a RD he's still behind Johnson, Barrie, Timmins & Meloche, (not necessarily on current ability but Meloche & Timmins won't get better if they don't get the opportunity, and a rebuilding team is better to give those two guys a chance) and it would make also more sense to sign Makar and bring him on sooner than waste a mid-range pick, or even a low one, on Benn.


also arent you guys shopping Berry for like 2 years now openly ?
who's to say TML doesnt finally nut up and follow threw if Nylander or Marner **** the bed this playoff run and their finally willing to budge on a young star
Apr 16, 2018 at 8:29
#12
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Quoting: Billy739
also arent you guys shopping Berry for like 2 years now openly ?
who's to say TML doesnt finally nut up and follow threw if Nylander or Marner **** the bed this playoff run and their finally willing to budge on a young star


Good chance Barrie gets traded at some point but as for shopping him, I'm not sure the Avs have been, more the fans. That still leaves EJ, Timmins, Meloche & Makar plus two or three guys who are lefties who can play right D. I like the idea of the Avs taking another shot at getting Carlo out of Boston for one of their young forwards that has been mooted on here a few times if they're looking at trading Barrie and reinforcing the right side.
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Apr 16, 2018 at 8:31
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Quoting: Billy739
buys the kids 1 year to develop say what you will Playing Timmons NHL now is asking for Concussion issues for the young D who will be getting punished out there .
(we lost Mete for the year playing him to early .

but point taken


Timmins play in the pre-season last year showed he was probably ready to hold his own. Admittedly he could probably do with a little seasoning first in the AHL if we're talking ideal scenario but if that's the case you keep Barrie & EJ on the right and use any of the others the Avs have who can also play right side who are as good as Benn. It's just a nonsensical trade for the Avs.
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Apr 18, 2018 at 4:33
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Billy739
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Quoting: TJTwolf
Timmins play in the pre-season last year showed he was probably ready to hold his own. Admittedly he could probably do with a little seasoning first in the AHL if we're talking ideal scenario but if that's the case you keep Barrie & EJ on the right and use any of the others the Avs have who can also play right side who are as good as Benn. It's just a nonsensical trade for the Avs.


True but the majority of Avs fans would have said the Same about Barberio before you claimed him our AHL Allstar D and third pair call up who thrived in COL.
its not out of the realm of reason to think Benn who has been better in MTL then Barberio was would thrive in COL to but i guess the defining factor would be the cost .
MTL has some good prospects we just have the worst defense coach in the entire NHL who's had 3 LD rebuilds under him alone 2/3 rebuilding around Markov and honestly if
year 1 of this rebuild is any indicator Daigneault has fallen short again .

the one thing i like about COL is its the best for the job , you got no one with a job by proxy for being french like we got .
Molson's been a Cancer and we've busted more prospects under him then under anyone else in the modern era with many like Nygren ,Nattinen ,Diets and others leaving MTL's system Grudgingly to succeed elsewhere .
(Nygren publicly blasted our AHL system Development )
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Apr 20, 2018 at 4:08
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Quoting: Billy739
True but the majority of Avs fans would have said the Same about Barberio before you claimed him our AHL Allstar D and third pair call up who thrived in COL.
its not out of the realm of reason to think Benn who has been better in MTL then Barberio was would thrive in COL to but i guess the defining factor would be the cost .
MTL has some good prospects we just have the worst defense coach in the entire NHL who's had 3 LD rebuilds under him alone 2/3 rebuilding around Markov and honestly if
year 1 of this rebuild is any indicator Daigneault has fallen short again .

the one thing i like about COL is its the best for the job , you got no one with a job by proxy for being french like we got .
Molson's been a Cancer and we've busted more prospects under him then under anyone else in the modern era with many like Nygren ,Nattinen ,Diets and others leaving MTL's system Grudgingly to succeed elsewhere .
(Nygren publicly blasted our AHL system Development )


Agreed on Barberio but there's a difference between a waiver claim or a player finding a home in free agency (the most likely future for Benn I expect will be signing a cheap free agency contract to play with his brother).

On MTL's issues I think it's about time MTL gave up on the whole 'French first' thing, it's way out of date. I'm sure they won't do so however, and I'm sure there is probably still enough die hard support for it in Quebec. Colorado's system has left a lot to be desired up until recently though so we can both hope MTL can make a change as well. I don't personally enjoy seeing any franchise failing abysmally.
 
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