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Dahlin

Created by: BigBeardBurns
Team: 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 13, 2018
Published: Apr. 13, 2018
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Description
Not possible, but hilarious.
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Dahlin, Rasmus
3$925,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Beaulieu, Nathan
  2. Bogosian, Zach
  3. Moulson, Matt
  4. Pominville, Jason
  5. 2018 1st round pick (BUF)
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#1
All bad contracts gone. Let me know if one of them isnt bad.
BUF
  1. Bozak, Tyler
  2. Gardiner, Jake
  3. Komarov, Leo
  4. Leivo, Josh
  5. Marincin, Martin
  6. Martin, Matt
  7. McElhinney, Curtis
  8. van Riemsdyk, James
  9. 2018 1st round pick (TOR)
  10. 2019 1st round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
Rights to everyone we dont want, need, or can’t afford in the next 2 years that actually has value (not D.Moore or Polak). Have fun, Buffalo!?
2.
TOR
MTL
  1. Plekanec, Tomas
Additional Details:
Pleky might just go back to MTL (were those his wishes? I remember reading somewhere that he wanted to return to MTL after this playoff run.
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2018
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2019
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2020
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$75,000,000$68,937,023$5,370,000$5,482,500$6,062,977
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
C
UFA - 2
$5,600,000$5,600,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
$6,250,000$6,250,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 3
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW
UFA - 1
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW
UFA - 2
$750,833$750,833 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
UFA - 5
$863,333$863,333
RW
UFA - 2
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, LW, RW
RFA - 1
$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Dahlin, Rasmus
$925,000$925,000
$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 7
$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 4
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 5
$5,142,857$5,142,857
RD
UFA - 3
$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$750,000$750,000
RD
UFA - 1
$1,000,000$1,000,000
G
UFA - 1
$2,400,000$2,400,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
$863,333$863,333
LD/RD
UFA - 3
$675,000$675,000
G
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
$5,250,000$5,250,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Apr. 13, 2018 at 9:00 p.m.
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The Sabres have 0 need to dump cap. So they end up trading Dahlin for Gardiner. Thats horrible
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Apr. 13, 2018 at 9:02 p.m.
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Quoting: Shibbal18
The Sabres have 0 need to dump cap. So they end up trading Dahlin for Gardiner. Thats horrible


Quoting: Shibbal18
The Sabres have 0 need to dump cap. So they end up trading Dahlin for Gardiner. Thats horrible


1. Said unrealistic in description.
2. Lol at the thats horrible at the end there. Liked it because it was funny.
3. Now the Sabres have a shot to sign any one of these FAs to a smaller contract before they hit open market. That and the 2 1sts dont count for anything?
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Apr. 13, 2018 at 9:14 p.m.
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Quoting: BigBeardBurns
1. Said unrealistic in description.
2. Lol at the thats horrible at the end there. Liked it because it was funny.
3. Now the Sabres have a shot to sign any one of these FAs to a smaller contract before they hit open market. That and the 2 1sts dont count for anything?


No lol Dahlin is the franchise dman theyre dying for and JVR aint taking a cheaper contract for Buffalo, who else would they even want
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Apr. 13, 2018 at 9:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Shibbal18
No lol Dahlin is the franchise dman theyre dying for and JVR aint taking a cheaper contract for Buffalo, who else would they even want


I’m sure Bozak, JvR, and a few others could all band together and sign cheaper deals in Buffalo to help that team and get a good chance to go up against their former team a lot being in the same division.
Apr. 13, 2018 at 9:33 p.m.
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aren't 3/4 of the players your offering looking for new contracts with the bigger names being UFA?

do you value the first overall pick to be worth so little ?
Apr. 13, 2018 at 9:50 p.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
aren't 3/4 of the players your offering looking for new contracts with the bigger names being UFA?

do you value the first overall pick to be worth so little ?


No. I gave them 2 1sts. A few of the guys have a year left (like Gardiner). And I was figuring the UFAs would band together and improve Buffalo. Just look at the other Gm I made looking at it on Buffalo’s side.
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Apr. 13, 2018 at 9:58 p.m.
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No. I gave them 2 1sts. A few of the guys have a year left (like Gardiner). And I was figuring the UFAs would band together and improve Buffalo. Just look at the other Gm I made looking at it on Buffalo’s side.


two frst for a #1 pick still sounds like a **** deal to me
you literally just gave them all TML trash and 2 picks which are going to be late picks .
that sounds like a horrible deal
Apr. 13, 2018 at 10:11 p.m.
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Generational defenceman we haven’t seen since Karlson gets traded for Jake Gardiner and two late first round picks, ow and some garbage.
Apr. 13, 2018 at 10:12 p.m.
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Not possible, but hilarious.
100% on both.
Thanks I needed a good laugh today.
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Apr. 13, 2018 at 10:52 p.m.
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Quoting: Shibbal18
The Sabres have 0 need to dump cap. So they end up trading Dahlin for Gardiner. Thats horrible


Zero need, unless they're jump starting their rebuild like they are in BBB's Sabres build of the same trade. I actually don't think it's that bad.

Quoting: Subbanator7667
Generational defenceman we haven’t seen since Karlson gets traded for Jake Gardiner and two late first round picks, ow and some garbage.


This is where I'd make the trade: defensemen are just so darn difficult to scout. Erik Karlsson was picked in the first round, but 15th overall. You know who went 3rd and 5th? https://www.hockey-reference.com/draft/NHL_2008_entry.html

Other defensemen taken in the top five of their respective recent drafts? Jack and Erik Johnson. Kevin Shattenkirk. Thomas Hickey and Karl Alzner in 2007. Hey, off the subject of defensemen, Pouliot went one spot ahead of Price in '05. But that '05 first round featured defensemen like Brian Lee, Ryan Parent, Sasha Pokulok, Jakub Kindl, Joe Finley, and.... after all of them and a couple others were gone, Dallas pulled a kid out of a rural Minnesota high school named Matt Niskanen at 28th. Those '05 draft picks are all about 31 years old, now. How many of those names do your recognize? Just Niskanen? Right.

If Buffalo is hoping to add a solid defenseman through the draft, two late firsts are just as likely to get a good one as one first overall. Picking up Lievo, Komarov and Martin for cap dumps, and getting a #1 defenseman who already plays in the NHL? I'd make that trade. The questionable value of the UFA rights to guys Buffalo didn't know it had cap space for, and who have no idea what they'd be signing up for in joining the Sabres is indeed worthy of a laugh. But without them, if Buffalo can get a top four defenseman and two 1sts for one high 1st in a draft whose top prospects are defensmen, I'd probably do it.

For further reference, look up the trade that sent Rod Langway to the Washington Capitals and took them from being one of the worst teams in the history of sports to making the playoffs for twelve straight years. They gave up a 1st overall pick defenseman and another top prospect defenseman to get a proven solid top pairing D, a questionable young top line forward, and a checking forward, and the three guys (off the Cup winning Habs, not just off their neighbors, but.... same idea) led their band of underperforming top draft picks to respectability, and kept them there.
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Apr. 13, 2018 at 11:21 p.m.
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Quoting: Eli
Zero need, unless they're jump starting their rebuild like they are in BBB's Sabres build of the same trade. I actually don't think it's that bad.


Jump starting the rebuild = trading #1 overall in the deepest draft in years, with the best player being the player you need, for a at best second pair d men and a bunch of UFA's that aren't taking a discount after they watched you trade said pick for them, nor have any want to be in Buffalo, nor save JVR are any good.
Defensemen are difficult to scout. Who was the last D man scouted as number 1 pick: https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/e/ekblaaa01.html
seems like they got that one right.
Also who was the first Dman off the board in that draft too: Drew Doughty
got that one right too.
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Apr. 13, 2018 at 11:53 p.m.
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Jump starting the rebuild = trading #1 overall in the deepest draft in years, with the best player being the player you need, for a at best second pair d men and a bunch of UFA's that aren't taking a discount after they watched you trade said pick for them, nor have any want to be in Buffalo, nor save JVR are any good.
Defensemen are difficult to scout. Who was the last D man scouted as number 1 pick: https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/e/ekblaaa01.html
seems like they got that one right.
Also who was the first Dman off the board in that draft too: Drew Doughty
got that one right too.


Not entirely. If you sort this by points: https://www.hockey-reference.com/draft/NHL_2008_entry.html

you see what this guy means:

Quoting: Subbanator7667
Generational defenceman... Karlson


Doughty hit sixteen goals in a season once. Karlsson has five seasons at or above that level. He's also got a hundred more points, playing on a usually bad team.

Doughty got lucky when the Kings traded five great young prospects (all of whom surprisingly panned out just fine) for two proven goal scoring forwards who helped them win some Cups right away. https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/revisiting-the-mike-richards-trade-that-helped-rebuild-the-flyers/

Doughty got a little bit lucky when Steve Yzerman picked him over then much higher scoring (and better plus/minus at the time) Mike Green to be an Olympian. Would Green have made more mistakes and taken more risks? Sure, but he'd have scored a bunch of goals, and still won Gold.
Apr. 14, 2018 at 12:11 a.m.
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Quoting: Eli
Not entirely. If you sort this by points: https://www.hockey-reference.com/draft/NHL_2008_entry.html

you see what this guy means:



Doughty hit sixteen goals in a season once. Karlsson has five seasons at or above that level. He's also got a hundred more points, playing on a usually bad team.

Doughty got lucky when the Kings traded five great young prospects (all of whom surprisingly panned out just fine) for two proven goal scoring forwards who helped them win some Cups right away. https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/revisiting-the-mike-richards-trade-that-helped-rebuild-the-flyers/

Doughty got a little bit lucky when Steve Yzerman picked him over then much higher scoring (and better plus/minus at the time) Mike Green to be an Olympian. Would Green have made more mistakes and taken more risks? Sure, but he'd have scored a bunch of goals, and still won Gold.


Goals and points aren't everything, they are Dmen. Doughty is much better in his own zone (especially compared to Green, that wasn't even luck that was a give in). Doughty still puts up a ton of points as a physical dman which makes him scary, same with Burns
Apr. 14, 2018 at 12:35 a.m.
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Goals and points aren't everything, they are Dmen. Doughty is much better in his own zone (especially compared to Green, that wasn't even luck that was a give in). Doughty still puts up a ton of points as a physical dman which makes him scary, same with Burns


Next you're going to be claiming hits and corsi are valuable stats.

In 2010 Doughty was in his second season in the NHL. He had 27 points and 90 hits, and gone -17 as a rookie when Yzerman decided that Mike Green--who had 31 GOALS, 73 points and 86 hits, gone plus 24, and come in second in Norris Trophy voting as the league's top defenseman the year before--just wasn't his kind of defenseman, and instead picked the kid who had just come in fifth in voting for rookie of the year.

It was pompous and ridiculous. He's since apologized for leaving Marty St. Louis off that team, and apparently tried to trade for Green at the deadline this Spring (evidently didn't try too hard). Whatever. Some years Canada can't help win at hockey. Yzerman had a team concept, and it involved guys he considered physical and tough, but Doughty had four more hits the season before than Green, and played fewer minutes per game. There were fifty other guys who could have played just as well at the time. Doughty got lucky in getting picked in 2010. After that, he had won a Gold, so of course you had to pick him.

I'm sure you guys can't relate to this, but sometimes it felt like members of the hockey establishment just didn't take anyone playing in Washington as seriously as they would take the same guy in a more traditional market. I don't know whether that had to do with Yzerman's personal experience, before the salary cap, of sweeping the Caps in the finals in 1998. But it was ridiculous. When Dainius Zubrus got traded to Buffalo and said he was, "happy to be going to a city with a real hockey atmosphere," nobody thought he was talking about the weather.
 
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