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Ristolainen Moved

Created by: mikeyscav
Team: 2018-19 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 16, 2018
Published: Apr. 18, 2018
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This is depressing for me to even think about as Ristolainen is my favorite player on this roster. A “shake up” in the core could be coming and I think it’ll be Oreilly or Ristolainen as there are rumors he could be resisting “the system” and isn’t really a leader in the locker room

Vegas had been rumored to be in the market for Karlsson and if they miss out on that, could a 23 year old top pairing defender be a solid backup? This may seem like a overpay, but I think it has to be for a bonafide top RHD that is so young and cost controlled. Buffalo acquires a defender back who’s arrow is pointing up in Theodore who should eventually become a top pairing defender as well. Buffalo also acquires a high end center prospect in Suzuki, a power winger in Tuch, and a draft pick. It hurts to lose Risto, but this is quite a haul.

The other deal I feel I need to explain is Chicago. They obviously had a horrible year and could be looking for changes. They get cap relief and move Murphy to Buffalo who needs a top-4 RHD to hold down the fort until younger prospects are ready (drafting Bouchard 4OA.) Hes a big, stabilizing presence that is similar to Theodore’s partner in Vegas now in Engelland. Chicago acquires a young LHD who has top-4 ability in Mccabe, a project defender from overseas which Chicago has done a lot in the last years, and a draft pick.

The forward group is relatively the same with more talent on the LW. Should look to start building chemistry now that last season has started to shape it out a bit. Defense obviously gets a brand new look with two new top-pairing defenders. I don’t think (for the beginning) there will really be a “top dog” like Ristolainen was but this should be a much more balanced committee of players that can all handle ~20 minutes a night if needed.

Captain: Jack Eichel
Assistant: Ryan Oreilly
Assistant: Marco Scandella

Contracts: 49/50
Free Agent Signings
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3$4,000,000
6$4,850,000
1$725,000
2$850,000
1$900,000
1$975,000
1$900,000
2$925,000
1$700,000
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Bouchard, Evan
3$925,000
Asplund, Rasmus
3$925,000
Olofsson, Victor
2$925,000
Schuldt, Jimmy
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3$3,500,000
1$2,500,000
1$950,000
2$900,000
1$900,000
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BUF
  1. Suzuki, Nick
  2. Tuch, Alex
  3. 2019 3rd round pick (WPG)
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VGK
  1. Ristolainen, Rasmus
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Rights to Nick Baptiste
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BUF
  1. 2019 5th round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Beaulieu, Nathan
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BUF
  1. Elliott, Brian
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2018 5th Round Pick (PHI)
PHI
    Rights to Robin Lehner
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    1. Murphy, Connor
    CHI
    1. McCabe, Jake
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    $3,500,000$3,500,000
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    UFA - 1
    Eichel, Jack
    $10,000,000$10,000,000
    C
    UFA - 8
    Okposo, Kyle
    $6,000,000$6,000,000
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    M-NTC
    UFA - 5
    Tuch, Alex
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
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    UFA - 1
    O'Reilly, Ryan
    $1,875,000$1,875,000
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    UFA - 5
    Reinhart, Sam
    $4,850,000$4,850,000
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    UFA - 2
    Rodrigues, Evan
    $650,000$650,000
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    UFA - 1
    Mittelstadt, Casey
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
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    RFA - 2
    Pominville, Jason
    $5,600,000$5,600,000
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    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 1
    Wilson, Scott
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    UFA - 2
    Girgensons, Zemgus
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    UFA - 1
    Schaller, Tim
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    UFA - 2
    Bailey, Justin
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    UFA - 1
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    Murphy, Connor
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    UFA - 4
    Ullmark, Linus
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    UFA - 1
    Scandella, Marco
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    Apr. 18, 2018 at 11:39 a.m.
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    I don't think Vegas makes that trade. I would actually be surprised if they were willing to trade the Theodore for Risto straight up.
    Apr. 18, 2018 at 11:49 a.m.
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    vegas does not do that trade, and as a sabres fan, i would take theodore over risto. i don't even think they'd trade tuch straight up for risto. if we got suzuki and brannstrom/hague, plus maybe mcnabb i'd be happy with that.
    Apr. 18, 2018 at 11:57 a.m.
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    why would they do that for risto when they could add like a first and probably get Karlsson?
    Apr. 18, 2018 at 12:23 p.m.
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    Quoting: Greysuits
    I don't think Vegas makes that trade. I would actually be surprised if they were willing to trade the Theodore for Risto straight up.


    Quoting: ashleyschaeffer
    vegas does not do that trade, and as a sabres fan, i would take theodore over risto. i don't even think they'd trade tuch straight up for risto. if we got suzuki and brannstrom/hague, plus maybe mcnabb i'd be happy with that.


    Quoting: Claesson4Norris
    why would they do that for risto when they could add like a first and probably get Karlsson?



    Give Vegas a little credit, people. Ristolainen is five years younger, cheaper, signed longer term, and just as able to excuse his -25 rating this year with the fact that he played 26 1/2 minutes this year.

    Karlsson got 20 more points, but Vegas is trying to build long term. Ristolainen at 23 with 42 points and five years left is a much more valuable trade asset than Karlsson at 27 with only one year before he signs a new contract that he already announced will not include any sort of a home town discount.

    I can't speak to what pieces Vegas is or isn't comfortable trading.

    I can tell you that this trade ensures Buffalo another top five pick in 2019 to build around, if that's what you're after.
    Apr. 18, 2018 at 12:29 p.m.
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    Also Ristolainen had five even strength goals this year. Karlsson had six. Assists are a different story, for all of the highlight reel goals Karlsson used to get, injuries and time have him just about equal to Ristolainen, except on the power play, where Vegas has Miller.
    Apr. 18, 2018 at 12:48 p.m.
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    Quoting: Eli
    Give Vegas a little credit, people. Ristolainen is five years younger, cheaper, signed longer term, and just as able to excuse his -25 rating this year with the fact that he played 26 1/2 minutes this year.

    Karlsson got 20 more points, but Vegas is trying to build long term. Ristolainen at 23 with 42 points and five years left is a much more valuable trade asset than Karlsson at 27 with only one year before he signs a new contract that he already announced will not include any sort of a home town discount.

    I can't speak to what pieces Vegas is or isn't comfortable trading.

    I can tell you that this trade ensures Buffalo another top five pick in 2019 to build around, if that's what you're after.


    My comment had nothing to do with Karlsson...

    Theodore is younger and cheaper than Risto and has about the same ceiling so I don't know why Vegas makes that trade.
    Apr. 18, 2018 at 12:52 p.m.
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    Quoting: Greysuits
    My comment had nothing to do with Karlsson...

    Theodore is younger and cheaper than Risto and has about the same ceiling so I don't know why Vegas makes that trade.


    Well, there are four of us in the conversation, Gray.
    Apr. 18, 2018 at 1:00 p.m.
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    Quoting: Eli
    Also Ristolainen had five even strength goals this year. Karlsson had six. Assists are a different story, for all of the highlight reel goals Karlsson used to get, injuries and time have him just about equal to Ristolainen, except on the power play, where Vegas has Miller.


    OK good point about Ristolainen, but IMO the other 3 trades are very unfavorable to the Sabres.
    Beaulieu is worth more than a 5th, he is young and only one year removed from a 28 pt season.
    I am not a Lehner fan but how is Elliot an improvement, I have said many times that several NYI CF GM's offer Nelson for Lehner, that is the trade I would make.
    Finally I would keep McCabe over Murphy, much less adding Antipin and a pick. Last year Murphy played 16 min/gm and scored 14 pts in 76 games while McCabe played 19 min/gm and scored 12 pts in 53 games,
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    Apr. 18, 2018 at 1:01 p.m.
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    Quoting: Greysuits
    My comment had nothing to do with Karlsson...

    Theodore is younger and cheaper than Risto and has about the same ceiling so I don't know why Vegas makes that trade.


    Risto is a year younger then Theodore, has put up 4 consecutive 40 point seasons in a row and did both those things on worst teams and before Theodore even played a full season in the NHL. How does Theodore have more upside?

    Quoting: Greysuits
    I don't think Vegas makes that trade. I would actually be surprised if they were willing to trade the Theodore for Risto straight up.


    Not my facts above as to why your wrong about Theodore for Risto straight up
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    Apr. 18, 2018 at 1:52 p.m.
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    Quoting: Subbanator7667
    Risto is a year younger then Theodore, has put up 4 consecutive 40 point seasons in a row and did both those things on worst teams and before Theodore even played a full season in the NHL. How does Theodore have more upside?



    Not my facts above as to why your wrong about Theodore for Risto straight up


    Check your facts before posting. Risto is a year older than Theodore and he has not put up 4 consecutive 40 point seasons. Also he didn't say that Theodore does have more upside...
    Apr. 18, 2018 at 2:00 p.m.
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    Quoting: Arwin
    Check your facts before posting. Risto is a year older than Theodore and he has not put up 4 consecutive 40 point seasons. Also he didn't say that Theodore does have more upside...


    Ok he is a year older and only put up 40 points in three consecutive years (thought this year made his fourth) I’ll admit my errors. But still don’t think they hold equal value, the person who posted that he wouldn’t do a 1 for 1 trade was who I was addressing when discussing possible up side.
    Apr. 18, 2018 at 5:08 p.m.
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    Ristolainen is 180 days older than Theodore. Let's all review our rounding.

    Theodore has 46 point in his career. Ristolainen had 41, 45, and 41 the last three years.

    More importantly, Vegas only has two right shot defensemen, and probably wants to even out handedness, so I'm pretty sure they would trade one of their LHD for Ristolainen.

    On the other hand, Theodore does have some good playoff numbers, with 10 points in 24 games. That's the only reason they might hang on to him.

    I saw the potential problems with that package as just that it contains three recent first round picks who are all developing really well. I don't think Suzuki, Tuch, or Theodore is worth quite as much as Ristolainen, but to suggest that Erik Karlsson is worth more than Ristolainen to Vegas just shows you haven't been paying attention to how committed Vegas are to building through youth and the draft.
     
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