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Sens and Avs fans, would you do it?

Created by: SankFeravalli
Team: 2017-18 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: May 9, 2018
Published: May 9, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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The Avs get an elite defenseman to accelerate their build. They have plenty of cap space to pay Karlsson, and several other Swedes to make him feel right at home. Plus, who doesn't love living on Colorado?

Ottawa gets a really good offensive defenseman to help replace Karlsson production, plus their own 2019 1st round pick back, which is apparently something they really want. That'll really help their retool/rebuild/whatever they're doing.
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  1. Barrie, Tyson
  2. 2019 1st round pick (OTT)
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2018
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2019
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2020
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$75,000,000$64,721,428$0$2,240,000$10,278,572

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Left WingCentreRight Wing
$5,571,429$5,571,429
LW, C
UFA - 4
$6,300,000$6,300,000
C
UFA - 6
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, C
UFA - 2
$885,833$885,833 (Performance Bonus$662,500$662K)
C
UFA - 3
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LW, C, RW
UFA - 2
$1,400,000$1,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$4,750,000$4,750,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$2,400,000$2,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$3,937,500$3,937,500
C, LW
UFA - 2
$833,333$833,333
C
RFA - 2
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$75,000$75K)
C, RW
UFA - 2
$750,000$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$875,000$875,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$2,150,000$2,150,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
$6,500,000$6,500,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$5,900,000$5,900,000
G
UFA - 2
$728,333$728,333 (Performance Bonus$257,500$258K)
LD/RD
UFA - 3
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 6
$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
$945,000$945,000
LD
UFA - 1
$750,000$750,000
LD
UFA - 1
$717,500$717,500 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
LD
UFA - 2

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May 9, 2018 at 12:50 a.m.
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Not good for the sens. The sens need to get picks and prospects, not a roster player.
May 9, 2018 at 1:00 a.m.
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What makes sens for me is a three way trade with Toronto that looks something like this:

Colorado Avalanche
Erik Karlsson

Toronto Maple Leafs
Tyson Barrie

Ottawa Senators
Timothy Liljegren
Jeremy Bracco
2018 1st (TOR)
2018 2nd (COL)
2019 1st (OTT)

I think this gives OTT the RW and RHD prospect support they need, and I don't think Toronto or Colorado really over pay.
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May 9, 2018 at 4:21 a.m.
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
What makes sens for me is a three way trade with Toronto that looks something like this:

Colorado Avalanche
Erik Karlsson

Toronto Maple Leafs
Tyson Barrie

Ottawa Senators
Timothy Liljegren
Jeremy Bracco
2018 1st (TOR)
2018 2nd (COL)
2019 1st (OTT)

I think this gives OTT the RW and RHD prospect support they need, and I don't think Toronto or Colorado really over pay.


Seriously, this 3-way is one of the better trades I've ever seen on this site. Congratulations. I'd give you 8 stars if I could.
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May 9, 2018 at 7:43 a.m.
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
What makes sens for me is a three way trade with Toronto that looks something like this:

Colorado Avalanche
Erik Karlsson

Toronto Maple Leafs
Tyson Barrie

Ottawa Senators
Timothy Liljegren
Jeremy Bracco
2018 1st (TOR)
2018 2nd (COL)
2019 1st (OTT)

I think this gives OTT the RW and RHD prospect support they need, and I don't think Toronto or Colorado really over pay.


I hope you don’t mind if I make this into an armchair gm
May 9, 2018 at 9:42 a.m.
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
What makes sens for me is a three way trade with Toronto that looks something like this:

Colorado Avalanche
Erik Karlsson

Toronto Maple Leafs
Tyson Barrie

Ottawa Senators
Timothy Liljegren
Jeremy Bracco
2018 1st (TOR)
2018 2nd (COL)
2019 1st (OTT)

I think this gives OTT the RW and RHD prospect support they need, and I don't think Toronto or Colorado really over pay.


I like that a lot. To play devils advocate though, here's a couple potential snags that I see:
1. Is Ottawa willing to commit to a rebuild? The return they're getting is all futures. Bracco and Liljegren could be in the NHL soon, but they don't have any NHL experience. Will Dorion bite the bullet and scrap this version of the sens or is he going to be focused on saving his own job and keeping the team competitive.
2. As a young team that's still building and adding young assets, the Avs may be a little reluctant to move two top-50 picks in addition to Tyson Barrie. I think the value of it is fine, but immediately Sakic loses his surplus of draft picks over the next two years.
3. IMO, I don't think Barrie is the defenseman Toronto needs. I think they like him, and they would be happy to add him to their team, but if I were the GM there, I'm making a big push for John Carlson, or I'm going after a guy like Chris Tanev who can provide solid defensive play and stability, and may not cost me quite as much to trade for him.
May 9, 2018 at 10:27 a.m.
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Quoting: rtapp326
I like that a lot. To play devils advocate though, here's a couple potential snags that I see:
1. Is Ottawa willing to commit to a rebuild? The return they're getting is all futures. Bracco and Liljegren could be in the NHL soon, but they don't have any NHL experience. Will Dorion bite the bullet and scrap this version of the sens or is he going to be focused on saving his own job and keeping the team competitive.
2. As a young team that's still building and adding young assets, the Avs may be a little reluctant to move two top-50 picks in addition to Tyson Barrie. I think the value of it is fine, but immediately Sakic loses his surplus of draft picks over the next two years.
3. IMO, I don't think Barrie is the defenseman Toronto needs. I think they like him, and they would be happy to add him to their team, but if I were the GM there, I'm making a big push for John Carlson, or I'm going after a guy like Chris Tanev who can provide solid defensive play and stability, and may not cost me quite as much to trade for him.


I agree, Barrie is a great defenseman, but Toronto is making a push to sign Carlson. If they aren't able to get him, I can really see this trade happening. Toronto is a contender, and get a solid defenseman on the blue line. A pairing of Morgan Rielly and Tyson Barrie/John Carlson sounds deadly. Something that I, as a Tampa Bay fan would not like to see. I don't think Karlsson gets traded to Colorado based on their current situation, don't forget Karlsson has a NTC. I love this trade for Ottawa. Being in a rebuild state and getting an A level prospect, especially a RHD in Liljegren. I don't know much about Bracco, but 32 points in 50 games in the AHL sounds like a bang or bust, especially where he's 21. The 2 1st's could also be huge busts, or the next Wayne Gretzky. I'd love to see this happen. I like Tanev, but he's too injury prone. Plus I believe that Barrie will be more of an impact player than Tanev on the top pairing in Toronto.
May 9, 2018 at 12:20 p.m.
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Quoting: PierreLucDubois
I agree, Barrie is a great defenseman, but Toronto is making a push to sign Carlson. If they aren't able to get him, I can really see this trade happening. Toronto is a contender, and get a solid defenseman on the blue line. A pairing of Morgan Rielly and Tyson Barrie/John Carlson sounds deadly. Something that I, as a Tampa Bay fan would not like to see. I don't think Karlsson gets traded to Colorado based on their current situation, don't forget Karlsson has a NTC. I love this trade for Ottawa. Being in a rebuild state and getting an A level prospect, especially a RHD in Liljegren. I don't know much about Bracco, but 32 points in 50 games in the AHL sounds like a bang or bust, especially where he's 21. The 2 1st's could also be huge busts, or the next Wayne Gretzky. I'd love to see this happen. I like Tanev, but he's too injury prone. Plus I believe that Barrie will be more of an impact player than Tanev on the top pairing in Toronto.


If I was a Leafs fan I would worry about Reilly and Barrie getting pushed around. Barrie is really good when he's in the correct role, which is a second-pair defenseman who's job is to produce offense. He's not a liability defensively, but he's struggled to defend against high-end competition throughout his career, which is what he would be asked to do on Toronto's top pair with Reilly. Take this year's playoffs for example. With Erik Johnson out of the lineup, Barrie was moved onto Colorado's top pair with Nikita Zadorov. He was okay in that role, but the added defensive responsibility hindered his offensive production which, again, is what he doe best.
 
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