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Habs@Draft2018

Created by: Kraken
Team: 2017-18 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: May 5, 2018
Published: May 9, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. 2019 5th round pick (EDM)
2.
MTL
  1. 2018 1st round pick (NYR)
  2. 2018 1st round pick (BOS)
  3. 2018 2nd round pick (NJD)
NYR
  1. 2018 1st round pick (MTL)
3.
MTL
  1. Vorobyov, Mikhail
  2. 2018 1st round pick (PHI)
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Condition: 2019 2nd round pick to MTL if Pacioretty signs an extension with PHI.
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DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2018
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2019
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2020
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$75,000,000$58,119,919$0$1,215,000$16,880,081

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 6
$650,000$650,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
$650,000$650,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
$4,900,000$4,900,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 3
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$1,166,667$1,166,667
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$912,500$912,500
C
UFA - 1
$3,900,000$3,900,000
C, RW
UFA - 5
$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$725,000$725,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
$839,166$839,166
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$350,000$350K)
LW
UFA - 1
$725,000$725,000
LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$748,333$748,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
LD/RD
UFA - 3
$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 9
$6,500,000$6,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 1
$725,000$725,000
LD
UFA - 2
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
$700,000$700,000
G
UFA - 1
$4,625,000$4,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 5
$863,333$863,333
RD
UFA - 3
$653,333$653,333 (Performance Bonus$257,500$258K)
RD
UFA - 2

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May 9, 2018 at 3:55 p.m.
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NateElder12
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Not a bad idea (PHI trade) but I personally wouldn't do that if I was the GM. It'd have to be a lower level prospect if you're trying to match the Kane/Stastny deals. Also, i would not do that trade with the Rags.
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May 9, 2018 at 4:09 p.m.
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No to the Rangers deal, Philly is pretty interesting, albeit Vorobyov is looking like a 4th at best.
May 9, 2018 at 4:24 p.m.
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Quoting: KeepingItChill
No to the Rangers deal, Philly is pretty interesting, albeit Vorobyov is looking like a 4th at best.


i don't think that's fair to say about Vorobyev. I think if you watched him a bit more you'd see the upside there. I think he'd project as a low level 2C but a perfectly fine 3C in the future.
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May 9, 2018 at 4:28 p.m.
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Quoting: KeepingItChill
No to the Rangers deal, Philly is pretty interesting, albeit Vorobyov is looking like a 4th at best.


"No" from the Rangers or Habs?

Most Philly fans think he'll be a 3C there eventually. Way too soon to write him off. He's only 21 and just came over to NA.
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May 9, 2018 at 4:34 p.m.
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Quoting: NateElder12
i don't think that's fair to say about Vorobyev. I think if you watched him a bit more you'd see the upside there. I think he'd project as a low level 2C but a perfectly fine 3C in the future.


Fair enough, but frankly if that's the case comparing to the Nash deal

Rick Nash at the deadline:

Ryan Spooner · $2,825,000
Ryan Lindgren · $0 (AHL/JR)
Matt Beleskey (50% retained) · $875,000 (AHL/JR)
2018 1st round pick
2019 7th round pick

How is MTL happy with Vorobyev and a 1st (19th) especially under this pretense, Philly would have Pacioretty for the whole year as opposed to just the TDL and playoffs?

If I'm Mtl, patience would be a virtue. Teams will pay but choosing the right time is the hard part. Buffalo got screwed with Kane last years deal. He should of got more back.
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May 9, 2018 at 4:39 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Fair enough, but frankly if that's the case comparing to the Nash deal

Rick Nash at the deadline:

Ryan Spooner · $2,825,000
Ryan Lindgren · $0 (AHL/JR)
Matt Beleskey (50% retained) · $875,000 (AHL/JR)
2018 1st round pick
2019 7th round pick

How is MTL happy with Vorobyev and a 1st (19th) especially under this pretense, Philly would have Pacioretty for the whole year as opposed to just the TDL and playoffs?

If I'm Mtl, patience would be a virtue. Teams will pay but choosing the right time is the hard part. Buffalo got screwed with Kane last years deal. He should of got more back.


because you're talking about a pick in the mid 20's compared to a top-20 pick. And everyone laughed at the Nash deal. I used the other deals because the general consensus is that it was more so fair value. Like I said if it was a prospect like Aube-Kubel/1st/2nd instead of Vorobyev then i could buy that. I'd say its a 3 star for the PHI trade but trading out of #3 makes it overall a bit worse imo.
May 9, 2018 at 4:47 p.m.
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Quoting: NateElder12
because you're talking about a pick in the mid 20's compared to a top-20 pick. And everyone laughed at the Nash deal. I used the other deals because the general consensus is that it was more so fair value. Like I said if it was a prospect like Aube-Kubel/1st/2nd instead of Vorobyev then i could buy that. I'd say its a 3 star for the PHI trade but trading out of #3 makes it overall a bit worse imo.


Yeah moving up from 28th or whatever to 19th isn't worth that difference. Plus you can't use "everyone laughed" as the reference. Gm's set the market and value for what is plausible and not plausible. That's what we use to make our educated guesses on. WE can laugh all we want.
May 9, 2018 at 4:47 p.m.
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Quoting: Tickarski
"No" from the Rangers or Habs?

Most Philly fans think he'll be a 3C there eventually. Way too soon to write him off. He's only 21 and just came over to NA.


As a Montreal fan, I say no. But I'm hevaliy biased, since I've grown attached to Zadina. The trade itself is actually great value wise for MTL.

However, you need to ask 3 questions though. Does NY have a need for Zadina? Or would they prefer the bulk of picks. NY have Krieder, Namestnikov and Hayes and their wingers. A big chunk of value from Zadina is the fact that he will probably be playing in the NHL next year. I don't see him being anything other then a 3rd winger, for now. Are the Rangers going for a rebuild? They are, in fact. They aren't going for a cup run, not this season at least. And 3, the Vancouver trade doesn't make much sense. The trade esentially seems like montreal drops from 3 to 7, and gets a 26 in compensation. The difference between 3ova and 7th ova is massive. But in this draft, the difference between 7 and 9 is negligible. All the players around that area are of the same calibre, at least on first inspection. I'd keep the 9 and 26, plus the 48.
May 9, 2018 at 4:48 p.m.
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As a rangers fan PLEASE
May 9, 2018 at 4:59 p.m.
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Its almost sad just how much Pacioretty's trade value on here is so low. We get the lesser 1st rd pick from PHI out of their 2, and an average prospect (I don't have much info on the guy to be honest, but there's almost nothing that pops out to indicate that he's a 4th rd pick steal yet).

Honestly if this is the best deal MTL can get for Patches on the Market. just keep him. I still don't understand how Rick Nash at the deadline gets a 1st rd pick + a young #3 C with potential (Spooner) + a blue chip Dman prospect (Lindgren) + 7th rd pick, while taking on a cap dump who is still a good 3rd liner (Beleskey)... yet if MTL fans asks for something similar, we are overvaluing our players, when Patches would be acquired for a full season and has consistently been the better player then Nash.
May 9, 2018 at 5:00 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Fair enough, but frankly if that's the case comparing to the Nash deal

Rick Nash at the deadline:

Ryan Spooner · $2,825,000
Ryan Lindgren · $0 (AHL/JR)
Matt Beleskey (50% retained) · $875,000 (AHL/JR)
2018 1st round pick
2019 7th round pick

How is MTL happy with Vorobyev and a 1st (19th) especially under this pretense, Philly would have Pacioretty for the whole year as opposed to just the TDL and playoffs?

If I'm Mtl, patience would be a virtue. Teams will pay but choosing the right time is the hard part. Buffalo got screwed with Kane last years deal. He should of got more back.


lol I wrote my previous comment without even seeing this one!!!

You sir make a good point! cheers
May 9, 2018 at 5:23 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Yeah moving up from 28th or whatever to 19th isn't worth that difference. Plus you can't use "everyone laughed" as the reference. Gm's set the market and value for what is plausible and not plausible. That's what we use to make our educated guesses on. WE can laugh all we want.


you'd be surprised what the difference is for picks in that range. And by everyone laughed im talking about people in the media on TSN/writers/etc. not us people on Cf haha. It also has a lot to do with how people value players. IMO, the Rangers got an unknown 1st/7th and Spooner for Nash. Lindgren is meh to me but to others he could be a future top-2 dman. We'll see how it all plays out. If he proposed a 2018 2nd and a 2019 1st and Aube-Kubel I said that'd be fair. Like i said the deal here just depends on how you value Vorobyev.
May 9, 2018 at 5:37 p.m.
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@F50marco

If this helps you explain my train of thought I'll write it out. Vorobyev's production in the AHL was on par and better then players like Kapanen, Lindblom, Thompson, Stephens, + the list goes on. If a 1st (30th)/Kapanen basically got a retained Kessel for 7 years then why would we give up more value for less term on a slightly less valuable asset in Patches. Does patches come in and make this team a favorite to win the division let alone even a cup contender? Way too much risk on the Flyers end and MTL has nothing to lose in this deal. Plus Vorobyev was the last cut from camp this past year and almost made the team out of the gate. If it wasn't for the deadweight on the roster and it being his first year in NA he would have made it. I'm not saying patches doesn't have a lot of value, he does, but you get mad at me for "underrating" patches but you are undervaluing how much Hexy/Flyers value Vorobyev I think. I'd be hesitant to do this move mainly because there are equal or better players with term on their contracts that these pieces could be used to get and that would be smarter for the Flyers to look into.
May 9, 2018 at 6:41 p.m.
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Habs would basically be trading 3rd overall for 7th overall and 26th overall, and they can draft Kotkaniemi with the 7th.
May 9, 2018 at 10:02 p.m.
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you'd be surprised what the difference is for picks in that range. And by everyone laughed im talking about people in the media on TSN/writers/etc. not us people on Cf haha. It also has a lot to do with how people value players. IMO, the Rangers got an unknown 1st/7th and Spooner for Nash. Lindgren is meh to me but to others he could be a future top-2 dman. We'll see how it all plays out. If he proposed a 2018 2nd and a 2019 1st and Aube-Kubel I said that'd be fair. Like i said the deal here just depends on how you value Vorobyev.


No i didn't mean moving from 28th to 19th is not much. I meant the difference of having a player of Pacioretty's calibre for the whole year compared to Nash at the TDL isn't the difference between 28th and 19th plus all the rest of what NYR got from that deal. If a 33 year old Nash was worth what he was worth at the TDL. What is a full year of Pacioretty worth?

That's all. If Im MTL I hold out for another teams offer.
 
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