Edited May 16, 2018 at 10:50 a.m.
Quoting: Bcarlo25
Well let's cool it on the insane talk, but I suppose while we're on the topic of insanity, wanna know who's insane? Norris voters. They see points and vote accordingly, which is just wrong when it comes to defensemen. Truthfully Doughty should have won the award the last five years. Last year Krug was 15th in Norris voting, and Subban was....not on the published list of the top 25....huh? Insane, right? Neither should have come close to being in the Norris discussion at any point in their careers. They're just not good enough in their own end.
Their offensive d men, and yes, PK played decent SHTOI this year, out of necessity. Nashville didn't trust either of their bottom pairing d men on the PK, so Subban was 4th on the team in SHTOI. Krug is in a different spot, with Chara, who basically kills the entirety of every penalty, then Carlo, McQuaid, and Miller to contend with. They're all very stout defensive defensemen. Therefore the SHTOI argument doesn't really hold much water when comparing the two.
They're the same guy. They put up a ton of points on the powerplay and even strength, during the regular season and playoffs (although, it is worth noting that Krug outpaced Subban in goals/60TOI, and points/60TOI by a pretty wide margin), and it gets to the point where you start saying, hmmm, you know they're not that bad defensively. But then what happens? Subban plays Winnipeg. Krug plays Tampa. They both play offensive wagons, and they get absolutely exposed for the whole series.
One's flashier than the other, but you get the exact same results.
No. You are wrong. They are not even close. Subban is about 10X better than Krug - for you not to admit that is homerism at it's finest.
Subban was fourth on his team in SHTOI by 4 seconds, 14 seconds & 24 seconds. He was also 38th in the league amongst Dmen. He played more SHTOI than Hedman. Again - Krug 22 seconds per game. LOL
Subban was a +18 what was Krug? oh, he was flat? Bruins and Preds had the exact same goal differential +56. Krug was the only Dman not be at least a +10 that played 40+ games for the Bruins.
Tell me why Subban is pretty much 50/50 in offensive/defensive zone starts vs Krug and his 60/40 (which is a HUGE gap for a dman) ?
By the way Emelin and Irwin (yes, former Bruin) who "they didn't trust" (thanks Peter Laviolette's insider!) both had more SHOTI than Krug. DOH.
Subban Blocked more shots and had more hits than Krug. They both surprisingly had the same (.5) and better giveaway/takeaway ration than Doughty (.2)
Subban has a Norris and will be in the Top 3, three times. It's neat to mention Krug being in the published list of 25, but he had one vote. One 2nd place vote. That is a joke. how many 2nd place votes did your pick, doughty have? Zero. Zero 1st, and Zero 2nd place votes.
The only problem with your - "they both got exposed in the playoffs" is that A) Subban played 6+ more minutes a night. B) Subban led the Preds in ice time & was going up against top lines, not Winnipegs 3rd and 4th lines.
C) Krug was a -5 in much less ice time vs Subban -2.
Last two years - Subban +10 - 99pts - .67ppg -- Krug -10 (110pts) .70ppg - so despite Krug having 20 more points, he was still -20 compared to Subban. which is even scarier considering PP doesn't count towards +/-
2016-17 - Subban SHTOI - 2:03
2016-17 - Krug SHTOI - :23
2015-16 - Subban (MTL) 2:21
2015 -16 - Krug :38
Give up the ghost. Krug isn't even close to the player Subban is.