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Team: 2018-19 Boston Bruins
Initial Creation Date: May 14, 2018
Published: May 14, 2018
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Nashville uses all that new Cap Space on Mr Tavares. I am fully aware this is insane.
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    May 14, 2018 at 9:29 p.m.
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    bruins seem to be a very tight team. don 't know if subban would be a good fit as bruin. of course chara just might straighten him out, five minutes into the first practice.
    May 15, 2018 at 11:41 a.m.
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    Krug and subban are essentially the same player, if you want subban just keep Krug and save the 4 mill.
    May 15, 2018 at 12:13 p.m.
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    Quoting: Bcarlo25
    Krug and subban are essentially the same player, if you want subban just keep Krug and save the 4 mill.


    What? No. Subban can play Defense.
    May 15, 2018 at 12:55 p.m.
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    Quoting: Propeller09
    What? No. Subban can play Defense.


    Lolol. No he can't. He can turn the puck over just as well as krug can though. All he did in the winnipeg series was turn the puck over in his own end, and then get power play points. Sound familiar?
    May 15, 2018 at 1:41 p.m.
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    Quoting: Bcarlo25
    Lolol. No he can't. He can turn the puck over just as well as krug can though. All he did in the winnipeg series was turn the puck over in his own end, and then get power play points. Sound familiar?


    Who would get more in a trade return value?

    Subban might win his 2nd Norris. You are insane if you think Krug is in the same conversation as Subban
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    May 15, 2018 at 2:00 p.m.
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    Quoting: Bcarlo25
    Lolol. No he can't. He can turn the puck over just as well as krug can though. All he did in the winnipeg series was turn the puck over in his own end, and then get power play points. Sound familiar?


    It seems actual coaches in the league think you are nuts too

    Career
    Kurg: Offensive Zone Starts 61% - 39% Defensive
    Subban 48.2% - 51.8%

    Those numbers have actually been moved to more defensive since getting to Nashville. Which is saying something with Josi, Ekholm and Ellis also being there. Many more options.

    Torey Krug is a 3rd paring PP specialist.

    PK Subban got 2:39 Short handed Time on ice per game.
    Krug? :22 - Basically coming on for the last 5.5 seconds 4 times seconds because the guys who play D are tired
    May 15, 2018 at 6:04 p.m.
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    Quoting: Propeller09
    Who would get more in a trade return value?

    Subban might win his 2nd Norris. You are insane if you think Krug is in the same conversation as Subban


    Well let's cool it on the insane talk, but I suppose while we're on the topic of insanity, wanna know who's insane? Norris voters. They see points and vote accordingly, which is just wrong when it comes to defensemen. Truthfully Doughty should have won the award the last five years. Last year Krug was 15th in Norris voting, and Subban was....not on the published list of the top 25....huh? Insane, right? Neither should have come close to being in the Norris discussion at any point in their careers. They're just not good enough in their own end.

    Their offensive d men, and yes, PK played decent SHTOI this year, out of necessity. Nashville didn't trust either of their bottom pairing d men on the PK, so Subban was 4th on the team in SHTOI. Krug is in a different spot, with Chara, who basically kills the entirety of every penalty, then Carlo, McQuaid, and Miller to contend with. They're all very stout defensive defensemen. Therefore the SHTOI argument doesn't really hold much water when comparing the two.

    They're the same guy. They put up a ton of points on the powerplay and even strength, during the regular season and playoffs (although, it is worth noting that Krug outpaced Subban in goals/60TOI, and points/60TOI by a pretty wide margin), and it gets to the point where you start saying, hmmm, you know they're not that bad defensively. But then what happens? Subban plays Winnipeg. Krug plays Tampa. They both play offensive wagons, and they get absolutely exposed for the whole series.

    One's flashier than the other, but you get the exact same results.
    May 16, 2018 at 9:43 a.m.
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    Edited May 16, 2018 at 10:50 a.m.
    Quoting: Bcarlo25
    Well let's cool it on the insane talk, but I suppose while we're on the topic of insanity, wanna know who's insane? Norris voters. They see points and vote accordingly, which is just wrong when it comes to defensemen. Truthfully Doughty should have won the award the last five years. Last year Krug was 15th in Norris voting, and Subban was....not on the published list of the top 25....huh? Insane, right? Neither should have come close to being in the Norris discussion at any point in their careers. They're just not good enough in their own end.

    Their offensive d men, and yes, PK played decent SHTOI this year, out of necessity. Nashville didn't trust either of their bottom pairing d men on the PK, so Subban was 4th on the team in SHTOI. Krug is in a different spot, with Chara, who basically kills the entirety of every penalty, then Carlo, McQuaid, and Miller to contend with. They're all very stout defensive defensemen. Therefore the SHTOI argument doesn't really hold much water when comparing the two.

    They're the same guy. They put up a ton of points on the powerplay and even strength, during the regular season and playoffs (although, it is worth noting that Krug outpaced Subban in goals/60TOI, and points/60TOI by a pretty wide margin), and it gets to the point where you start saying, hmmm, you know they're not that bad defensively. But then what happens? Subban plays Winnipeg. Krug plays Tampa. They both play offensive wagons, and they get absolutely exposed for the whole series.

    One's flashier than the other, but you get the exact same results.


    No. You are wrong. They are not even close. Subban is about 10X better than Krug - for you not to admit that is homerism at it's finest.

    Subban was fourth on his team in SHTOI by 4 seconds, 14 seconds & 24 seconds. He was also 38th in the league amongst Dmen. He played more SHTOI than Hedman. Again - Krug 22 seconds per game. LOL

    Subban was a +18 what was Krug? oh, he was flat? Bruins and Preds had the exact same goal differential +56. Krug was the only Dman not be at least a +10 that played 40+ games for the Bruins.

    Tell me why Subban is pretty much 50/50 in offensive/defensive zone starts vs Krug and his 60/40 (which is a HUGE gap for a dman) ?

    By the way Emelin and Irwin (yes, former Bruin) who "they didn't trust" (thanks Peter Laviolette's insider!) both had more SHOTI than Krug. DOH.

    Subban Blocked more shots and had more hits than Krug. They both surprisingly had the same (.5) and better giveaway/takeaway ration than Doughty (.2)

    Subban has a Norris and will be in the Top 3, three times. It's neat to mention Krug being in the published list of 25, but he had one vote. One 2nd place vote. That is a joke. how many 2nd place votes did your pick, doughty have? Zero. Zero 1st, and Zero 2nd place votes.

    The only problem with your - "they both got exposed in the playoffs" is that A) Subban played 6+ more minutes a night. B) Subban led the Preds in ice time & was going up against top lines, not Winnipegs 3rd and 4th lines.
    C) Krug was a -5 in much less ice time vs Subban -2.

    Last two years - Subban +10 - 99pts - .67ppg -- Krug -10 (110pts) .70ppg - so despite Krug having 20 more points, he was still -20 compared to Subban. which is even scarier considering PP doesn't count towards +/-

    2016-17 - Subban SHTOI - 2:03
    2016-17 - Krug SHTOI - :23

    2015-16 - Subban (MTL) 2:21
    2015 -16 - Krug :38

    Give up the ghost. Krug isn't even close to the player Subban is.
    May 16, 2018 at 11:35 a.m.
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    Quoting: Propeller09
    No. You are wrong. They are not even close. Subban is about 10X better than Krug - for you not to admit that is homerism at it's finest.

    Subban was fourth on his team in SHTOI by 4 seconds, 14 seconds & 24 seconds. He was also 38th in the league amongst Dmen. He played more SHTOI than Hedman. Again - Krug 22 seconds per game. LOL

    Subban was a +18 what was Krug? oh, he was flat? Bruins and Preds had the exact same goal differential +56. Krug was the only Dman not be at least a +10 that played 40+ games for the Bruins.

    Tell me why Subban is pretty much 50/50 in offensive/defensive zone starts vs Krug and his 60/40 (which is a HUGE gap for a dman) ?

    By the way Emelin and Irwin (yes, former Bruin) who "they didn't trust" (thanks Peter Laviolette's insider!) both had more SHOTI than Krug. DOH.

    Subban Blocked more shots and had more hits than Krug. They both surprisingly had the same (.5) and better giveaway/takeaway ration than Doughty (.2)

    Subban has a Norris and will be in the Top 3, three times. It's neat to mention Krug being in the published list of 25, but he had one vote. One 2nd place vote. That is a joke. how many 2nd place votes did your pick, doughty have? Zero. Zero 1st, and Zero 2nd place votes.

    The only problem with your - "they both got exposed in the playoffs" is that A) Subban played 6+ more minutes a night. B) Subban led the Preds in ice time & was going up against top lines, not Winnipegs 3rd and 4th lines.
    C) Krug was a -5 in much less ice time vs Subban -2.

    Last two years - Subban +10 - 99pts - .67ppg -- Krug -10 (110pts) .70ppg - so despite Krug having 20 more points, he was still -20 compared to Subban. which is even scarier considering PP doesn't count towards +/-

    2016-17 - Subban SHTOI - 2:03
    2016-17 - Krug SHTOI - :23

    2015-16 - Subban (MTL) 2:21
    2015 -16 - Krug :38

    Give up the ghost. Krug isn't even close to the player Subban is.

    You're asking questions that I've already answered. Tough to call it homerism when I think Krug sucks too. They're both wildly overrated, and both showed it when they got eaten alive in the playoffs
    May 16, 2018 at 12:45 p.m.
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    Quoting: Bcarlo25
    You're asking questions that I've already answered. Tough to call it homerism when I think Krug sucks too. They're both wildly overrated, and both showed it when they got eaten alive in the playoffs


    The only problem is Subban is widely thought of as a top 10 Dman in the league and Krug is not. Subban was traded for Shea Weber and everyone thinks Montreal lost that deal. NOBODY would think that if the Bruins traded Krug for Weber - Even with that contract.

    Homer
    May 16, 2018 at 4:12 p.m.
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    Quoting: Propeller09
    The only problem is Subban is widely thought of as a top 10 Dman in the league and Krug is not. Subban was traded for Shea Weber and everyone thinks Montreal lost that deal. NOBODY would think that if the Bruins traded Krug for Weber - Even with that contract.

    Homer


    That's cool. I tend to trust my own eyes over what hockey media guys say. Hockey media guys in the us are brutal. If he was a top ten defensemen he probably would have helped his team 5 on 5. He didn't.

    Krug sucks. Ya I'm a homer though. Good logic. You must have crushed the sat verbal
    May 16, 2018 at 4:29 p.m.
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    Quoting: Bcarlo25
    That's cool. I tend to trust my own eyes over what hockey media guys say. Hockey media guys in the us are brutal. If he was a top ten defensemen he probably would have helped his team 5 on 5. He didn't.

    Krug sucks. Ya I'm a homer though. Good logic. You must have crushed the sat verbal


    might want to see an Ophthalmologist.

    It's so strange that TSN (Canada) has ranked him 19th-35th in the league (all positions) for the last 5 years. Josi must be terrible too.

    Who are the Top 5 Dmen in the NHL?
    May 17, 2018 at 1:30 p.m.
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    Quoting: Propeller09
    might want to see an Ophthalmologist.

    It's so strange that TSN (Canada) has ranked him 19th-35th in the league (all positions) for the last 5 years. Josi must be terrible too.

    Who are the Top 5 Dmen in the NHL?


    I form my own opinions, I don't regurgitate media. Continue to be another brick in the wall.
    May 17, 2018 at 2:28 p.m.
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    Quoting: Bcarlo25
    I form my own opinions, I don't regurgitate media. Continue to be another brick in the wall.


    Lol. Good Effort. Facts completely disprove you, so you try to insult me.

    I gave you about two dozen reasons why. NHL coaches who know more than you believe this. He led the Preds in ice time in the playoffs.

    I am guessing you didn't tell me who you thought your top 5 dmen were because they are all also on that list or are in Norris conversation, but for some reason it's the "media" who are selling us Subban?

    C'mon now.

    I can have the opinion that McDavid or Sid are overrated and aren't that good and it's the media, but that would be dumb.
    May 17, 2018 at 4:12 p.m.
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    Quoting: Propeller09
    Lol. Good Effort. Facts completely disprove you, so you try to insult me.

    I gave you about two dozen reasons why. NHL coaches who know more than you believe this. He led the Preds in ice time in the playoffs.

    I am guessing you didn't tell me who you thought your top 5 dmen were because they are all also on that list or are in Norris conversation, but for some reason it's the "media" who are selling us Subban?

    C'mon now.

    I can have the opinion that McDavid or Sid are overrated and aren't that good and it's the media, but that would be dumb.


    Facts? What facts? It's subjective.
    May 17, 2018 at 4:18 p.m.
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    If the Bruins would some how get Subban, I might literally puke a little. laugh
    May 17, 2018 at 4:58 p.m.
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    If the Bruins would some how get Subban, I might literally puke a little. laugh


    In your opinion - who is better Krug or Subban?

    Quoting: Bcarlo25
    Facts? What facts? It's subjective.


    Really - Can I can't continue to explain this to you.

    - He led the Preds in playoff ice time.
    - He had over 2m more in SHTOI than Krug.
    - He has won a Norris and has finished in top 3 Three times
    - He was a +18 for the season, Krug was 0 and they had the same amount of points.
    - His zone starts are 50/50 Career and 40/60 D zone this past year on a very stacked defensive team - Krug is 60/40
    - He gets 4M + more a game

    Your literal argument was subjective, not my. - "That's cool. I tend to trust my own eyes over what hockey media guys say."
     
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