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Trying a Kessel Trade

Created by: Michael
Team: 2018-19 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: May 26, 2018
Published: May 26, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
The goal of the trade is to give Pittsburgh some NHL level talent, replenish their prospect pool, and give them some extra cap space (approx 7M)
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,900,000
1$900,000
1$800,000
1$1,200,000
1$900,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$4,500,000
1$1,675,000
1$800,000
Trades
1.
PIT
  1. Bennett, Sam
  2. Brodie, TJ
  3. Gawdin, Glenn
  4. 2019 4th round pick (NYI)
Additional Details:
Adam Fox
2.
CGY
  1. 2018 4th round pick (OTT)
OTT
  1. Stone, Michael ($1,500,000 retained)
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2018
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2019
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2020
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$78,000,000$70,536,309$0$1,357,500$7,463,691
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$6,750,000$6,750,000
LW
UFA - 4
$6,375,000$6,375,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 5
$6,800,000$6,800,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW
UFA - 1
$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
NTC
UFA - 6
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$1,875,000$1,875,000
LW
UFA - 1
$1,900,000$1,900,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
$4,300,000$4,300,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$1,750,000$1,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$900,000$900,000
C
UFA
$1,675,000$1,675,000
RW
UFA - 2
$950,000$950,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
$800,000$800,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$3,375,000$3,375,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 4
$5,750,000$5,750,000
RD
UFA - 3
$4,250,000$4,250,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$1,200,000$1,200,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
$3,857,143$3,857,143
RD
UFA - 2
$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
LD
RFA - 3
$755,833$755,833 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
RD
UFA - 2
$900,000$900,000
G
UFA - 1
$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1

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May 26, 2018 at 5:00 p.m.
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Try Andersson instead
May 26, 2018 at 5:01 p.m.
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I like that Kessel trade, It should help each team, Hagelin can play the 4th line and PK, Kessel gives the Flames and awesome top line.
Brodie gives Pit a good defenseman and Bennett may blossom playing with Crosby.
May 26, 2018 at 5:14 p.m.
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anderson instead of bennett dont sign vanek put bennett there and then you leave enough money to sign chucky next year
May 26, 2018 at 5:16 p.m.
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I think that package is too much for Kessel. It's payable, for sure, but too steep from CGY's perspective.
May 26, 2018 at 5:31 p.m.
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Quoting: MajesticWalrus
Try Andersson instead


Considering they're already giving up Fox, I think Andersson would be too much.
May 26, 2018 at 5:33 p.m.
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anderson instead of bennett dont sign vanek put bennett there and then you leave enough money to sign chucky next year


I think that since the Flames are already trading Fox, that adding Andersson would be an overpayment and not wise. There should be more than enough money anyways with Smith, Hagelin, and Vanek all coming off the books after next year in this scenario.
May 26, 2018 at 5:34 p.m.
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I think that package is too much for Kessel. It's payable, for sure, but too steep from CGY's perspective.


I think that if Kessel is actually on the trade block, it's going to take a lot to outbid other teams. But he would fit in perfectly on the top line.
May 26, 2018 at 6:21 p.m.
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Quoting: Michael
I think that since the Flames are already trading Fox, that adding Andersson would be an overpayment and not wise. There should be more than enough money anyways with Smith, Hagelin, and Vanek all coming off the books after next year in this scenario.


didnt even see fox in the trade . i would argue you can have one of bennett fox or anderson not 2 or 3 of them
May 26, 2018 at 6:26 p.m.
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Quoting: Michael
I think that if Kessel is actually on the trade block, it's going to take a lot to outbid other teams. But he would fit in perfectly on the top line.


The last Kessel trade (to PIT from TOR):

Kessel ($1.2M retained)

for

Kapanen (22nd overall) + 2016 1st (30th overall) + 2016 3rd (72nd overall)

The rest of the deal was pretty irrelevant. And that was when Kessel was 27 years old. He's turning 31 in October 2018, 4 years remaining on a decent contract.

Brodie is easily worth a middle 1st round pick straight up, or a late 1st + a middle-late 2nd rounder. Fox is worth a late 1st or early 2nd. So just Brodie + Fox should be a serious conversation with PIT, especially if PIT/Kessel are the ones initiating the process. Whether that package wins out in the bidding or not is another question entirely. CGY probably shouldn't do: Brodie + Bennett + Fox.....but might if they feel Kessel is the perfect fit.
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May 26, 2018 at 6:48 p.m.
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May 26, 2018 at 6:58 p.m.
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I think the Vanek sign is a mistake, too much money and he's not a great fit, especially at his age. Maybe at 3.5M.
Calgary gives up a lot in the Pittsburgh trade; Hagelin is a good pickup, but he's gone in year. I would say we keep Bennett, and let Pittsburgh get Ferly in this deal.
Finally, we absolutely, positively have to get Pittsburgh to retain $100000 OF Kessel's contract, if only to keep the salary ceiling in place for Gio and Johnny.
May 28, 2018 at 7:36 a.m.
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Quoting: Vanderm
The last Kessel trade (to PIT from TOR):

Kessel ($1.2M retained)

for

Kapanen (22nd overall) + 2016 1st (30th overall) + 2016 3rd (72nd overall)

The rest of the deal was pretty irrelevant. And that was when Kessel was 27 years old. He's turning 31 in October 2018, 4 years remaining on a decent contract.

Brodie is easily worth a middle 1st round pick straight up, or a late 1st + a middle-late 2nd rounder. Fox is worth a late 1st or early 2nd. So just Brodie + Fox should be a serious conversation with PIT, especially if PIT/Kessel are the ones initiating the process. Whether that package wins out in the bidding or not is another question entirely. CGY probably shouldn't do: Brodie + Bennett + Fox.....but might if they feel Kessel is the perfect fit.


I have to respectfully disagree with you on that one. Toronto had no leverage in the Kessel trade, he has a trade block list to all but 6 teams, and even then Toronto needed to shed his salary to rebuild, where as Pittsburgh is in no such position. Hence why the acquisition price wasn't as high. The aim for the Penguins is to win now, and trading Kessel for futures isn't going to help them.
May 28, 2018 at 10:27 a.m.
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I have to respectfully disagree with you on that one. Toronto had no leverage in the Kessel trade, he has a trade block list to all but 6 teams, and even then Toronto needed to shed his salary to rebuild, where as Pittsburgh is in no such position. Hence why the acquisition price wasn't as high. The aim for the Penguins is to win now, and trading Kessel for futures isn't going to help them.


You can disagree, and I'm all for a healthy conversation. But it's not like 30 other teams came out this week and said that Kessel and Sullivan are unhappy with each other. Plus, PIT is most definitely in the "strapped for cap space" world. I'm sure Rutherford could get a package for Kessel that brings in useful pieces today plus some great futures. Brodie is a Top 3-4 dman on most teams and a great skater. PIT has openly said (after getting eliminated this year) that they need to add to the defense to give Letang a chance to be even better. Bennett is also a middle 6 roster guy and has lots of upside. Throwing in Gawdin (he's 1-3 years away from the NHL) and Fox (1-3 years out) are major sweeteners.

Kessel probably just had the best season of his entire career. The regressions don't suggest players in their 30s are getting better each year. So this very well might be the peak point for PIT to part with Phil the Thrill. He definitely makes PIT a much better team (just watch their PP), but after losing out to WSH this year, Rutherford may make a change to re-orient things. People on this site are only reacting to the news release that came out of PIT. Otherwise, no one would've been pitching Kessel deals.
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May 29, 2018 at 12:38 a.m.
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Understandable, and I'm not saying the package you put together is bad, it's actually more than reasonable, but like you said trading Kessel would not make the Penguins as better team right now. Rutherford has made it clear that defense will be addressed, however, it won't be of the magnitude that most people think. Letang, Dumoulin, Schultz and Maatta are the top 4 and are locked in for a few years, beyond that the bottom pair is an issue and I can see them targeting a guy like TVR from Carolina or Jack Johnson in free agency if they can shed Hunwick's cap hit. Provided the salary cap moves up to 80m for next season, Pittsburgh can really manage the cap quite easily, they don't lose anyone of note as a UFA, and will be able to sign all their pending RFA's and still be under the cap. If a trade needs to be facilitated, the likely candidates are Sheary or Hagelin.

I agree that Kessel is probably at peak value coming off a career year, but trading him away makes no sense, his cap hit is reasonable for what he produces and that leaves a gaping hole in the top 6 again and you're right back to three years ago looking for an elite winger to play with Crosby and Malkin. On top of that the trade speculations came about from a joke of a reporter who sparks this same rumour every year so I wouldn't pay it much mind.
May 29, 2018 at 3:34 p.m.
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Quoting: Rehan


I agree that Kessel is probably at peak value coming off a career year, but trading him away makes no sense, his cap hit is reasonable for what he produces and that leaves a gaping hole in the top 6 again and you're right back to three years ago looking for an elite winger to play with Crosby and Malkin. On top of that the trade speculations came about from a joke of a reporter who sparks this same rumour every year so I wouldn't pay it much mind.


Fun Fact: Trading Kessel doesn't leave a gaping hole in the Top 6 for PIT when Sullivan plays him on the 3rd line. This is the key reason why Kessel is cheesed about things in PIT right now.
May 29, 2018 at 10:53 p.m.
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Quoting: Vanderm
Fun Fact: Trading Kessel doesn't leave a gaping hole in the Top 6 for PIT when Sullivan plays him on the 3rd line. This is the key reason why Kessel is cheesed about things in PIT right now.


This is simply untrue, I have to wonder if you saw a single minute of Penguins hockey this past season. Kessel played the majority of his even strength time on Malkin's wing, and was only rarely relegated to the third line when Sullivan wanted to mix things up. In the playoffs he was playing injured, so it made no sense to have him in a top six spot when Hornqvist was producing a lot more. Besides, look at Pittsburgh's wingers; on the Crosby line it was Guentzel, followed by a huge mix match on the right between Rust, Sheary and Hornqvist at a time, then they had Hagelin, Hornqvist and Kessel rotating on the second line. If you lose Kessel, that's a serious blow to wing depth which has been so difficult to find in the Crosby/Malkin era. Kessel is not concerned about playing third line minutes either with his inflated power play time. Just look back at the 2016 when he played exclusively on the third line for evidence.
May 29, 2018 at 11:15 p.m.
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This is simply untrue, I have to wonder if you saw a single minute of Penguins hockey this past season. Kessel played the majority of his even strength time on Malkin's wing, and was only rarely relegated to the third line when Sullivan wanted to mix things up. In the playoffs he was playing injured, so it made no sense to have him in a top six spot when Hornqvist was producing a lot more. Besides, look at Pittsburgh's wingers; on the Crosby line it was Guentzel, followed by a huge mix match on the right between Rust, Sheary and Hornqvist at a time, then they had Hagelin, Hornqvist and Kessel rotating on the second line. If you lose Kessel, that's a serious blow to wing depth which has been so difficult to find in the Crosby/Malkin era. Kessel is not concerned about playing third line minutes either with his inflated power play time. Just look back at the 2016 when he played exclusively on the third line for evidence.


I did not watch a single minute of Penguins hockey.

https://www.tsn.ca/off-season-watch-plekanec-hopes-to-finish-career-with-habs-1.1094853

"Madden reports, however, that there is an "underlying dissatisfaction" between Kessel and Penguins head coach Mike Sullivan. Madden said Kessel’s displeasure stems from the fact he hasn’t consistently played on a line with Evgeni Malkin, and instead has bounced up and down the Penguins lineup."

Listen, I'm not going to get into a legal battle here. I'm pretty sure I didn't say that "Kessel never, ever played a single minute on a line with Malkin". And I'm also quite confident that your hot take that "Kessel is not concerned about playing third line minutes with his inflated power play time" is a straight up contradiction of all the news out there that created the "Trade Kessel!" storm.
May 29, 2018 at 11:28 p.m.
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I did not watch a single minute of Penguins hockey.

https://www.tsn.ca/off-season-watch-plekanec-hopes-to-finish-career-with-habs-1.1094853

"Madden reports, however, that there is an "underlying dissatisfaction" between Kessel and Penguins head coach Mike Sullivan. Madden said Kessel’s displeasure stems from the fact he hasn’t consistently played on a line with Evgeni Malkin, and instead has bounced up and down the Penguins lineup."

Listen, I'm not going to get into a legal battle here. I'm pretty sure I didn't say that "Kessel never, ever played a single minute on a line with Malkin". And I'm also quite confident that your hot take that "Kessel is not concerned about playing third line minutes with his inflated power play time" is a straight up contradiction of all the news out there that created the "Trade Kessel!" storm.


I can respect that, and I apologize if I came off as condescending. Having said that, to claim what I said was a "hot take" yet assume credibility in a comment made from Mark Madden is disingenuous at best. Pittsburgh media is just mad that Kessel didn't talk to any of them on locker clean out day and are reading into things that aren't there. I rest my case however and appreciate the rational argument.
 
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