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Team: 2018-19 Boston Bruins
Initial Creation Date: May 29, 2018
Published: May 29, 2018
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2$925,000
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  1. 2019 6th round pick (ARI)
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    CAR
    1. Cehlárik, Peter
    2. Krug, Torey
    3. 2018 3rd round pick (FLA)
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    May 29, 2018 at 11:33 a.m.
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    That package isn’t compelling enough for Hanifin
    May 29, 2018 at 11:45 a.m.
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    Quoting: CanesQue
    That package isn’t compelling enough for Hanifin


    No, but it's close. I would swap out Cehlarik for Zboril, and increase the 3rd round to the 2nd round in 2019, and I think that would definitely get it done (assuming Carolina is willing to entertain dealing Hanifin).

    The extension however I disagree with. It would be in the Bruins best interests to re-sign him through the rest of his RFA years now, and have cost certainty, than risk him being too expensive for the Bruins to retain in 2 years after they do the Carlo and McAvoy extensions.

    Also, Tavares couldn't sign with the Bruins for 8 years per the CBA. He can only do that term with NYI.
    May 29, 2018 at 11:53 a.m.
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    Quoting: Bruinsdiehard
    No, but it's close. I would swap out Cehlarik for Zboril, and increase the 3rd round to the 2nd round in 2019, and I think that would definitely get it done (assuming Carolina is willing to entertain dealing Hanifin).

    The extension however I disagree with. It would be in the Bruins best interests to re-sign him through the rest of his RFA years now, and have cost certainty, than risk him being too expensive for the Bruins to retain in 2 years after they do the Carlo and McAvoy extensions.

    Also, Tavares couldn't sign with the Bruins for 8 years per the CBA. He can only do that term with NYI.


    What’s the benefit for CAR? We have a younger, bigger, stronger, faster defenseman with similar upside, we don’t need picks or prospects at this point. So again, while certainly a good deal for BOS, I don’t think it’s a compelling offer.
    May 29, 2018 at 12:17 p.m.
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    Quoting: CanesQue
    What’s the benefit for CAR? We have a younger, bigger, stronger, faster defenseman with similar upside, we don’t need picks or prospects at this point. So again, while certainly a good deal for BOS, I don’t think it’s a compelling offer.


    I tend to agree. I don't see why Carolina has an interest in Krug. They have Faulk and/or Could just keep Hanafin. I don't see it being worthwhile to Carolina without one of their A level prospects - At which time, I am not sure it's worth it to Boston.
    May 29, 2018 at 12:19 p.m.
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    Also - NO Way Hanafin signs for that little.

    Only way for Bruins to land Tavares and have $ to sign kids is to move Krejci and probably Miller.
    May 29, 2018 at 2:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: CanesQue
    What’s the benefit for CAR? We have a younger, bigger, stronger, faster defenseman with similar upside, we don’t need picks or prospects at this point. So again, while certainly a good deal for BOS, I don’t think it’s a compelling offer.


    Well your question could be taken in two different ways.

    a). What's the benefit to Carolina in this trade? In my trade scenario, the Canes are getting the Bruins most developed D prospect in Zboril as a safeguard to losing Krug in FA, plus Krug who is an upgrade for right now over Hanifin - because I'm sorry, you either don't watch the Bruins or can't read stats, but there is no way Hanifin is a better D-man than Krug if that's what you're trying to argue. The biggest thing that Hanifin has going for him over Krug is that he's bigger, and especially that he's younger (he's definitely not faster??). But size certainly does not equate to better defense. His possession metrics are far worse than Krug's at EV, he doesn't produce nearly the same amount of points or score goals as Krug does. But obviously he's projected to do those things as he continues to mature.

    b). The real question to ask is "What's the benefit to Carolina in trading Hanifin at all?" I personally think it would be a mistake to part ways with Hanifin, because you can never have enough good Dmen. But the media has reported this alleged "firesale" Dundon wants the team to have, so everyone on this site is running wild with that. I can't believe they would want to trade literally anyone except Aho, but who knows? So it's hard to say what would be a good return for Carolina if they did trade Hanifin when their entire roster could be up for grabs depending on the right deals being offered this offseason.
    May 29, 2018 at 2:22 p.m.
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    Quoting: Propeller09
    Also - NO Way Hanafin signs for that little.

    Only way for Bruins to land Tavares and have $ to sign kids is to move Krejci and probably Miller.


    No, that isn't the only way. Most roster builds that have the Bruins taking on Tavares at 10-10.5M would have the Bruins with roughly 16-18M in cap space in the 2019 offseason, assuming the cap would rise to 82M that year. I did a roster like this where the Bruins signed Tavares and traded for Hanifin, but they sent Krug, Zboril and Heinen in the deal. The biggest contracts to worry about in 2019 in that event would be Carlo, McAvoy, Donato and I had Fitzgerald getting promoted from the minors (But you could use Bjork too). With McAvoy at 6-7M, Carlo at 3-4M, Donato at 2-3M and Fitzgerald/Bjork at 2M< contract, you would have plenty of space (this also assumed Khudobin re-signed at 1.5M for 2 years).
    May 29, 2018 at 2:36 p.m.
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    Quoting: Bruinsdiehard
    Well your question could be taken in two different ways.

    a). What's the benefit to Carolina in this trade? In my trade scenario, the Canes are getting the Bruins most developed D prospect in Zboril as a safeguard to losing Krug in FA, plus Krug who is an upgrade for right now over Hanifin - because I'm sorry, you either don't watch the Bruins or can't read stats, but there is no way Hanifin is a better D-man than Krug if that's what you're trying to argue. The biggest thing that Hanifin has going for him over Krug is that he's bigger, and especially that he's younger (he's definitely not faster??). But size certainly does not equate to better defense. His possession metrics are far worse than Krug's at EV, he doesn't produce nearly the same amount of points or score goals as Krug does. But obviously he's projected to do those things as he continues to mature.

    b). The real question to ask is "What's the benefit to Carolina in trading Hanifin at all?" I personally think it would be a mistake to part ways with Hanifin, because you can never have enough good Dmen. But the media has reported this alleged "firesale" Dundon wants the team to have, so everyone on this site is running wild with that. I can't believe they would want to trade literally anyone except Aho, but who knows? So it's hard to say what would be a good return for Carolina if they did trade Hanifin when their entire roster could be up for grabs depending on the right deals being offered this offseason.


    If Krug and Zboril are so desirable, why part ways with them? Where was Krug at 21 yrs old, not 3 yrs in the league and an all-star bid under his belt. As fans we have less and less patience (particularly with our young D). So let’s agree on this, you keep yours and we’ll keep ours. There is no fire sale, the new owner just sent a shot across the bow of his young team to get after it this summer. Now that everything has settled down, I think the moves will be focus on a few critical needs.
    May 29, 2018 at 2:39 p.m.
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    Quoting: Bruinsdiehard
    No, that isn't the only way. Most roster builds that have the Bruins taking on Tavares at 10-10.5M would have the Bruins with roughly 16-18M in cap space in the 2019 offseason, assuming the cap would rise to 82M that year. I did a roster like this where the Bruins signed Tavares and traded for Hanifin, but they sent Krug, Zboril and Heinen in the deal. The biggest contracts to worry about in 2019 in that event would be Carlo, McAvoy, Donato and I had Fitzgerald getting promoted from the minors (But you could use Bjork too). With McAvoy at 6-7M, Carlo at 3-4M, Donato at 2-3M and Fitzgerald/Bjork at 2M< contract, you would have plenty of space (this also assumed Khudobin re-signed at 1.5M for 2 years).


    Since we’re on the subject, would you agree that YOUR deal qualifies as more intriguing than this one?
    May 29, 2018 at 3:17 p.m.
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    If Krug and Zboril are so desirable, why part ways with them? Where was Krug at 21 yrs old, not 3 yrs in the league and an all-star bid under his belt. As fans we have less and less patience (particularly with our young D). So let’s agree on this, you keep yours and we’ll keep ours. There is no fire sale, the new owner just sent a shot across the bow of his young team to get after it this summer. Now that everything has settled down, I think the moves will be focus on a few critical needs.


    Lol, why would anyone part ways with anyone by that standard? Supposedly, the Bruins brass feel like having two Dmen under 6 ft on the left side is a liability with Chara nearing retirement (I don't believe that personally). Idk how physical Hanifin is game to game, but because he's 6'3 and can replicate "some" of what Krug brings offensively, along with the continued development of Gryzelck, he's a potential "solution" to that size issue without having to sacrifice too much offense. How was Krug at 21? Well he wasn't a heralded prospect like Hanifin, so he was still at Michigan. His first full year in the league he set a career high (tied this year) in goals scored, and was a +18. Hanifin hasn't been a plus player yet in his career. Regardless of how you try to compare the two, Krug is a better D man than Hanifin, whether it's rookie year vs. rookie year, 1st 3 years vs 1st 3 years, this current year etc.

    So to answer your question about my deals for Hanifin being more intriguing, I think we are coming at it from different perspectives. The risk for Carolina in any deal involving Krug is that he leaves ASAP (and given the state of Carolina, why wouldn't he if the opportunity presents itself in FA). So across all the deals proposed for Hanifin, between the OP's, mine involving Zboril, or mine involving Zboril and Heinen, I think the lynchpin is whether or not Krug would stay with Carolina. Because if he did, then any single one of those other pieces (Zboril, Heinen) makes the deal a slam dunk for Carolina. I made the proposal of Krug, Zboril and Heinen for Hanifin in my Tavares scenario because I saw Heinen as expendable, and because I wanted to create a deal that no one would question from a Carolina perspective and spend time debating it (because the purpose of that roster build was fitting in Tavares).
    May 29, 2018 at 4:53 p.m.
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    Quoting: Bruinsdiehard
    Well your question could be taken in two different ways.

    a). What's the benefit to Carolina in this trade? In my trade scenario, the Canes are getting the Bruins most developed D prospect in Zboril as a safeguard to losing Krug in FA, plus Krug who is an upgrade for right now over Hanifin - because I'm sorry, you either don't watch the Bruins or can't read stats, but there is no way Hanifin is a better D-man than Krug if that's what you're trying to argue. The biggest thing that Hanifin has going for him over Krug is that he's bigger, and especially that he's younger (he's definitely not faster??). But size certainly does not equate to better defense. His possession metrics are far worse than Krug's at EV, he doesn't produce nearly the same amount of points or score goals as Krug does. But obviously he's projected to do those things as he continues to mature.

    b). The real question to ask is "What's the benefit to Carolina in trading Hanifin at all?" I personally think it would be a mistake to part ways with Hanifin, because you can never have enough good Dmen. But the media has reported this alleged "firesale" Dundon wants the team to have, so everyone on this site is running wild with that. I can't believe they would want to trade literally anyone except Aho, but who knows? So it's hard to say what would be a good return for Carolina if they did trade Hanifin when their entire roster could be up for grabs depending on the right deals being offered this offseason.


    FYI - Hanafin's Corsi & Fenwick were both higher than Krug's last year & somehow as protected as Hanafin has been with his Offensive and defensive Zone starts Krug has been MORE protected. Krug started in the offensive zone 65% compared to Hanafin's 63% last year.

    It's Pretty widely know that the Bruins plan was to offer the three first rd picks (Zboril, Debrusk & Senyshyn) to move up to get Canes pick and Draft Hanafin. Carolina wouldn't do it. There is Zero chance they could trade Krug for three 1st rd picks.

    Hanafin is at least as good as Krug at this point. He is better defensively and not as good offensively (although he will be) and he is a FAR Better skater than Krug.
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    May 29, 2018 at 5:27 p.m.
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    Lol, why would anyone part ways with anyone by that standard? Supposedly, the Bruins brass feel like having two Dmen under 6 ft on the left side is a liability with Chara nearing retirement (I don't believe that personally). Idk how physical Hanifin is game to game, but because he's 6'3 and can replicate "some" of what Krug brings offensively, along with the continued development of Gryzelck, he's a potential "solution" to that size issue without having to sacrifice too much offense. How was Krug at 21? Well he wasn't a heralded prospect like Hanifin, so he was still at Michigan. His first full year in the league he set a career high (tied this year) in goals scored, and was a +18. Hanifin hasn't been a plus player yet in his career. Regardless of how you try to compare the two, Krug is a better D man than Hanifin, whether it's rookie year vs. rookie year, 1st 3 years vs 1st 3 years, this current year etc.

    So to answer your question about my deals for Hanifin being more intriguing, I think we are coming at it from different perspectives. The risk for Carolina in any deal involving Krug is that he leaves ASAP (and given the state of Carolina, why wouldn't he if the opportunity presents itself in FA). So across all the deals proposed for Hanifin, between the OP's, mine involving Zboril, or mine involving Zboril and Heinen, I think the lynchpin is whether or not Krug would stay with Carolina. Because if he did, then any single one of those other pieces (Zboril, Heinen) makes the deal a slam dunk for Carolina. I made the proposal of Krug, Zboril and Heinen for Hanifin in my Tavares scenario because I saw Heinen as expendable, and because I wanted to create a deal that no one would question from a Carolina perspective and spend time debating it (because the purpose of that roster build was fitting in Tavares).


    Quoting: Bruinsdiehard
    Lol, why would anyone part ways with anyone by that standard? Supposedly, the Bruins brass feel like having two Dmen under 6 ft on the left side is a liability with Chara nearing retirement (I don't believe that personally). Idk how physical Hanifin is game to game, but because he's 6'3 and can replicate "some" of what Krug brings offensively, along with the continued development of Gryzelck, he's a potential "solution" to that size issue without having to sacrifice too much offense. How was Krug at 21? Well he wasn't a heralded prospect like Hanifin, so he was still at Michigan. His first full year in the league he set a career high (tied this year) in goals scored, and was a +18. Hanifin hasn't been a plus player yet in his career. Regardless of how you try to compare the two, Krug is a better D man than Hanifin, whether it's rookie year vs. rookie year, 1st 3 years vs 1st 3 years, this current year etc.

    So to answer your question about my deals for Hanifin being more intriguing, I think we are coming at it from different perspectives. The risk for Carolina in any deal involving Krug is that he leaves ASAP (and given the state of Carolina, why wouldn't he if the opportunity presents itself in FA). So across all the deals proposed for Hanifin, between the OP's, mine involving Zboril, or mine involving Zboril and Heinen, I think the lynchpin is whether or not Krug would stay with Carolina. Because if he did, then any single one of those other pieces (Zboril, Heinen) makes the deal a slam dunk for Carolina. I made the proposal of Krug, Zboril and Heinen for Hanifin in my Tavares scenario because I saw Heinen as expendable, and because I wanted to create a deal that no one would question from a Carolina perspective and spend time debating it (because the purpose of that roster build was fitting in Tavares).


    Quoting: Bruinsdiehard
    Lol, why would anyone part ways with anyone by that standard? Supposedly, the Bruins brass feel like having two Dmen under 6 ft on the left side is a liability with Chara nearing retirement (I don't believe that personally). Idk how physical Hanifin is game to game, but because he's 6'3 and can replicate "some" of what Krug brings offensively, along with the continued development of Gryzelck, he's a potential "solution" to that size issue without having to sacrifice too much offense. How was Krug at 21? Well he wasn't a heralded prospect like Hanifin, so he was still at Michigan. His first full year in the league he set a career high (tied this year) in goals scored, and was a +18. Hanifin hasn't been a plus player yet in his career. Regardless of how you try to compare the two, Krug is a better D man than Hanifin, whether it's rookie year vs. rookie year, 1st 3 years vs 1st 3 years, this current year etc.

    So to answer your question about my deals for Hanifin being more intriguing, I think we are coming at it from different perspectives. The risk for Carolina in any deal involving Krug is that he leaves ASAP (and given the state of Carolina, why wouldn't he if the opportunity presents itself in FA). So across all the deals proposed for Hanifin, between the OP's, mine involving Zboril, or mine involving Zboril and Heinen, I think the lynchpin is whether or not Krug would stay with Carolina. Because if he did, then any single one of those other pieces (Zboril, Heinen) makes the deal a slam dunk for Carolina. I made the proposal of Krug, Zboril and Heinen for Hanifin in my Tavares scenario because I saw Heinen as expendable, and because I wanted to create a deal that no one would question from a Carolina perspective and spend time debating it (because the purpose of that roster build was fitting in Tavares).


    I’m not sure comparing a Krug, who had 3 yrs in NCAA and 1 in the AHL, before his rookie NHL year to Hanifin, who is just 21 now. He’s got one more year before they’d even be the same age of the stats you’ve referenced. That seems a little skewed, don’t you think?
    May 30, 2018 at 9:29 a.m.
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    FYI - Hanafin's Corsi & Fenwick were both higher than Krug's last year & somehow as protected as Hanafin has been with his Offensive and defensive Zone starts Krug has been MORE protected. Krug started in the offensive zone 65% compared to Hanafin's 63% last year.

    It's Pretty widely know that the Bruins plan was to offer the three first rd picks (Zboril, Debrusk & Senyshyn) to move up to get Canes pick and Draft Hanafin. Carolina wouldn't do it. There is Zero chance they could trade Krug for three 1st rd picks.

    Hanafin is at least as good as Krug at this point. He is better defensively and not as good offensively (although he will be) and he is a FAR Better skater than Krug.


    Lol lots to chuckle at in your post. Let's start with going back 3 years to the 2015 draft and pretending like that matters now. I don't think anyone will be offering a 3 1st rounders for either Krug or Hanifin at this point, so why is that even relevant? But since you brought it up - Carolina was mighty foolish to decline that offer as well. If they had a clue about scouting unlike Boston, they might have been at least aware of Barzal and Connor and could have gotten both of them along with either DeBrusk or Zboril. Would you honestly rather have just Hanifin vs those 3 players? So that offer speaks more to Boston's desperation to acquire a defenseman who was a MA native, and to how dumb and stubborn Carolina was not to take the offer, especially if they are actually considering trading Hanifin now because they will never find as good a deal for Hanifin in present day as they would have in that draft.

    Second, trying to pretend like because Hanifin barely edged out Krug in Corsi & FF this season makes him at least as good as Krug? So just so everyone knows, the splits at EV were 56.5-54.6 (CF%) and 55.2-53.8 (FF%). Lol, I'm simply blown away by Hanifin's defensive prowess over Krug. Meanwhile, here are some other stats - EV oiGA favors Krug (59-68), total GA also favors Krug (65-73) and obviously raw +/- favors Krug by a huge margin (even vs -20). Most of that wouldn't matter because shot metrics trump GA stats...until you look at the shot metrics raw numbers. Krug actually allowed raw fewer shot attempts (1111 to Hanafin's 1131) for Corsi and FF (838 to Hanafin's 883) while skating more than 1.5min/game more than Hanifin this season. How is that possible considering how bad Krug is defensively??? The only reason the percentages are in favor of Hanifin is because Carolina attempted more shots with Hanafin on the ice than Boston did with Krug. Naturally, you would think that that would translate to more offense for Hanifin, but nope. Krug drives Boston's offense way the hell more than Hanifin does Carolina, and Boston had one of the best offenses in the league (and PPs thanks to Krug), and Carolina certainly didn't. Krug took more shots per game (2.59-2.09), scored more per game (0.78-0.41 pts/game), created more goals per game (0.26-0.14), had better raw scoring numbers (14-10 goals, 45-22 assists), had a better shooting percentage (7.1-6.1%) and absolutely obliterated Hanifin in the point share column (8.8-4.5). Neither one of these players are defensive stalwarts; that's just not their game. They are both offensive defensemen. But I don't see how Hanifin holds an edge in either category (and in fact trails Krug by a significant margin)?

    So no, Hanifin isn't at least as good Krug is right now, but I admit that he is expected to become better with the passage of time. Maybe there is a way for us to set up a computer model of what it would be like if Krug and Hanifin raced each other. I'd love to see a 6'3 guy try to beat a 5'9 guy in a sprint. I guess you must think Chara is a faster skater than Hanifin then lol?
    May 30, 2018 at 9:41 a.m.
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    I’m not sure comparing a Krug, who had 3 yrs in NCAA and 1 in the AHL, before his rookie NHL year to Hanifin, who is just 21 now. He’s got one more year before they’d even be the same age of the stats you’ve referenced. That seems a little skewed, don’t you think?


    So because Hanifin was a higher rated prospect, and performed better at other levels of hockey, made it to the NHL faster in his career, but then didn't perform as well as Krug...that should somehow be held against Krug lol???

    What about all the experience Hanifin got playing in the US NDTP while Krug was playing for the Indiana Ice? What about Hanifin's experience playing for the US at the U-17s and the U-18s and the U-20s, when Krug got none of that? Can I hold that against Hanifin?

    Obviously it's difficult to compare players who are 5 years apart in age. But the argument was made that Hanifin is at least as good as, if not a better player than Krug is. I'm just trying to use what's available to counter that argument.
    May 30, 2018 at 9:42 a.m.
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    Lol, why would anyone part ways with anyone by that standard? Supposedly, the Bruins brass feel like having two Dmen under 6 ft on the left side is a liability with Chara nearing retirement (I don't believe that personally). Idk how physical Hanifin is game to game, but because he's 6'3 and can replicate "some" of what Krug brings offensively, along with the continued development of Gryzelck, he's a potential "solution" to that size issue without having to sacrifice too much offense. How was Krug at 21? Well he wasn't a heralded prospect like Hanifin, so he was still at Michigan. His first full year in the league he set a career high (tied this year) in goals scored, and was a +18. Hanifin hasn't been a plus player yet in his career. Regardless of how you try to compare the two, Krug is a better D man than Hanifin, whether it's rookie year vs. rookie year, 1st 3 years vs 1st 3 years, this current year etc.

    So to answer your question about my deals for Hanifin being more intriguing, I think we are coming at it from different perspectives. The risk for Carolina in any deal involving Krug is that he leaves ASAP (and given the state of Carolina, why wouldn't he if the opportunity presents itself in FA). So across all the deals proposed for Hanifin, between the OP's, mine involving Zboril, or mine involving Zboril and Heinen, I think the lynchpin is whether or not Krug would stay with Carolina. Because if he did, then any single one of those other pieces (Zboril, Heinen) makes the deal a slam dunk for Carolina. I made the proposal of Krug, Zboril and Heinen for Hanifin in my Tavares scenario because I saw Heinen as expendable, and because I wanted to create a deal that no one would question from a Carolina perspective and spend time debating it (because the purpose of that roster build was fitting in Tavares).



    I have to reiterate that Krug is not a better defenseman than Hanafin or you wouldn't need to add a 50pt rookie in heinen and another 1st round pick.
    The reason Carolina would entertain moving him is cost - which will be substantially higher than 2.5m per year. That coupled with the fact that they are absolutely loaded on the back end, but lack a true #1 center.
    There is zero chance they trade him for Krug. They don't need Krug at all. He doesn't make them better at all.

    His +/- doesn't really mean anything at all either. There was an 84 total goal differential between the two teams last year, a 43 in 2017 & 38 in 2016 -
    You fail to point out the Krug was a team LOW in +/- for dmen (even) this year despite scoring 59pts and the next LOWEST bruins Dman was a +10 (over 40GP)
    2017? Krug was the only Bruins Dman who was a negative player @ -10. Colin Miller was the next lowest as an even player.

    Carolina's Centers have topped out at a high of 48pts since Hanafin has been on the team & 45pts last year (Krejci had 44 in 64 gp& 64 pts the year before). Ryan Spooner had 49pts in Hanafin's rookie year.

    What do you think Krug's +/- would look like with Spooner as the Bruins most productive center.

    Carolina has some really nice pieces in place and a few are on great contracts. If they can land a legit #1 center or Lindholm can become that guy the Canes could turn it around real quick.
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    If Krug and Zboril are so desirable, why part ways with them? Where was Krug at 21 yrs old, not 3 yrs in the league and an all-star bid under his belt. As fans we have less and less patience (particularly with our young D). So let’s agree on this, you keep yours and we’ll keep ours. There is no fire sale, the new owner just sent a shot across the bow of his young team to get after it this summer. Now that everything has settled down, I think the moves will be focus on a few critical needs.


    Not to mention you just question what had Krug done by age 21 when Hanifin has already made an ASG, yet that's somehow something to hold against Krug lol? Talk about talking out of both sides of your mouth there bud
    May 30, 2018 at 10:33 a.m.
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    Not to mention you just question what had Krug done by age 21 when Hanifin has already made an ASG, yet that's somehow something to hold against Krug lol? Talk about talking out of both sides of your mouth there bud


    You can sell that snake oil elsewhere, sir. CAR will pass.
    May 30, 2018 at 10:55 a.m.
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    I have to reiterate that Krug is not a better defenseman than Hanafin or you wouldn't need to add a 50pt rookie in heinen and another 1st round pick.
    The reason Carolina would entertain moving him is cost - which will be substantially higher than 2.5m per year. That coupled with the fact that they are absolutely loaded on the back end, but lack a true #1 center.
    There is zero chance they trade him for Krug. They don't need Krug at all. He doesn't make them better at all.
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    I already explained in this thread my rationale for why I included the pieces for a Hanifin deal, but let me reiterate them for you - Krug is older than Hanifin. Krug will be a UFA when his contract expires. Krug only has 2 years left on his deal. When it expires, anyone with a pulse could predict he will leave Carolina if he is traded there (because it's not a competitive team, it's franchise is steeped in mismanagement, and it has an owner who sounds like a firebrand and a moron to boot). Given all that, a swap of the two wouldn't be fair to Carolina, given the Bruins would control Hanifin for several more years. So the other pieces in the trade make up for when Krug leaves. I never ever said anything about including a 1st rounder, nor would I if I was already trading Krug and Heinen. Maybe I would do Krug and a 1st rounder for Hanafin. MAYBE.

    But if Carolina were to trade Hanifin because of cost (which I agree is a compelling reason), then getting Krug in return would make all the difference in softening that blow. Krug would definitely make them better for the 2 years he would be there.

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    His +/- doesn't really mean anything at all either. There was an 84 total goal differential between the two teams last year, a 43 in 2017 & 38 in 2016 -
    You fail to point out the Krug was a team LOW in +/- for dmen (even) this year despite scoring 59pts and the next LOWEST bruins Dman was a +10 (over 40GP)
    2017? Krug was the only Bruins Dman who was a negative player @ -10. Colin Miller was the next lowest as an even player.



    I literally said in my last post that I don't usually put much stock in those stats (especially +/-), unless the possession metrics are as close as they are between Hanifin and Krug. But I also provided a whole other bunch of stats you completely ignored, and seized on the least meaningful stat to expound on, so that's cool. I did indeed fail to mention 2016 or 2017. Would you like to look closer at those numbers? Because Krug obliterates Hanifin in your precious CF% and FF% stats. Especially in 2017, when he actually had a less sheltered ZS% than Hanifin.

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    Carolina's Centers have topped out at a high of 48pts since Hanafin has been on the team & 45pts last year (Krejci had 44 in 64 gp& 64 pts the year before). Ryan Spooner had 49pts in Hanafin's rookie year.

    What do you think Krug's +/- would look like with Spooner as the Bruins most productive center.

    Carolina has some really nice pieces in place and a few are on great contracts. If they can land a legit #1 center or Lindholm can become that guy the Canes could turn it around real quick.



    Now see that is actually a compelling reason to argue why in reality Hanifin might be better than Krug. Obviously hockey players don't play in a vacuum, and Krug plays on a much better team than Hanafin does. I don't know if WOWY stats would be able to reveal something insightful about that argument, but usually most people accept that it's almost impossible to accurately measure how a player might do on a different team with different players and compare the two players as they are. Maybe you could use some type of adjusted stats? I obviously don't know how Krug would do with Spooner as his top center, but Carolina's top center is Jordan Staal, who is a much better player than Spooner is, so that's not really an equal comparison when taking into account the whole player.

    While Carolina has a great D-corps (but I still wouldn't trade Boston's for theirs, if you include their prospects of Zboril, Lauzon, Vaakanainen and Sherman), I don't see them breaking through the division they are in even if they added a #1. Maybe they sniff the last wildcard spot. And since no legitimate #1 centers are available to them at this point, it's a moot discussion.
    May 30, 2018 at 11:32 a.m.
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    I already explained in this thread my rationale for why I included the pieces for a Hanifin deal, but let me reiterate them for you - Krug is older than Hanifin. Krug will be a UFA when his contract expires. Krug only has 2 years left on his deal. When it expires, anyone with a pulse could predict he will leave Carolina if he is traded there (because it's not a competitive team, it's franchise is steeped in mismanagement, and it has an owner who sounds like a firebrand and a moron to boot). Given all that, a swap of the two wouldn't be fair to Carolina, given the Bruins would control Hanifin for several more years. So the other pieces in the trade make up for when Krug leaves. I never ever said anything about including a 1st rounder, nor would I if I was already trading Krug and Heinen. Maybe I would do Krug and a 1st rounder for Hanafin. MAYBE.

    But if Carolina were to trade Hanifin because of cost (which I agree is a compelling reason), then getting Krug in return would make all the difference in softening that blow. Krug would definitely make them better for the 2 years he would be there.



    I literally said in my last post that I don't usually put much stock in those stats (especially +/-), unless the possession metrics are as close as they are between Hanifin and Krug. But I also provided a whole other bunch of stats you completely ignored, and seized on the least meaningful stat to expound on, so that's cool. I did indeed fail to mention 2016 or 2017. Would you like to look closer at those numbers? Because Krug obliterates Hanifin in your precious CF% and FF% stats. Especially in 2017, when he actually had a less sheltered ZS% than Hanifin.




    Now see that is actually a compelling reason to argue why in reality Hanifin might be better than Krug. Obviously hockey players don't play in a vacuum, and Krug plays on a much better team than Hanafin does. I don't know if WOWY stats would be able to reveal something insightful about that argument, but usually most people accept that it's almost impossible to accurately measure how a player might do on a different team with different players and compare the two players as they are. Maybe you could use some type of adjusted stats? I obviously don't know how Krug would do with Spooner as his top center, but Carolina's top center is Jordan Staal, who is a much better player than Spooner is, so that's not really an equal comparison when taking into account the whole player.

    While Carolina has a great D-corps (but I still wouldn't trade Boston's for theirs, if you include their prospects of Zboril, Lauzon, Vaakanainen and Sherman), I don't see them breaking through the division they are in even if they added a #1. Maybe they sniff the last wildcard spot. And since no legitimate #1 centers are available to them at this point, it's a moot discussion.


    Krug is an excellent offensive Powerplay Dman - He has Value, but none to Carolina. Faulk is virtually the same player, but bigger and more physical (which helps). Hanafin has a much higher ceiling. His numbers are very similar to McAvoy's.

    Krug has value - and a ton of it, but just not to Carolina. Edmonton and Klefbom seem like a much better fit. I just don't see Carolina having an interest in him. The Bruins have enough to get Hanafin out of Carolina and you could probably get a decent pick for Krug, but I just don't see Carolina wanting/needing him.

    Toronto and Nylander makes much more sense for Carolina or EDM in a Draisaitl (Hanafin & Rask) - Even out the deals with picks prospects/bad contracts.
     
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