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Nylander for Hamilton Trade

Created by: Tkelly93
Team: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 31, 2018
Published: May 31, 2018
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    May 31, 2018 at 1:33 p.m.
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    is there really bad blood between flames and dougie? seems like both teams would keep their young studs rather than swap
    May 31, 2018 at 1:35 p.m.
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    Quoting: VoynovsParoleOfficerGuy
    is there really bad blood between flames and dougie? seems like both teams would keep their young studs rather than swap


    your username just made me laugh my ass off
    May 31, 2018 at 1:46 p.m.
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    Norris trophy caliber defenseman for a 20 goal scoring winger, that's like trading Doughty for Tkachuk
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    May 31, 2018 at 1:47 p.m.
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    Quoting: VoynovsParoleOfficerGuy
    is there really bad blood between flames and dougie? seems like both teams would keep their young studs rather than swap


    Don't believe so, but what do fans know? Flames do have an excess of viable D and need some RHS RW. Toronto would probably have to add to Nylander to get Hamilton, who was the top goal-scoring D in the NHL while only playing top PP for ~25 games.... If you want a straight across deal, make it Marner.
    May 31, 2018 at 2:05 p.m.
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    I don't even see Marner as enough return for Hamilton, let alone Nylander. Hamilton is a top 5 Dman but also still young. Maybe a Nylander plus Bracco/Leivo and Zaitsev would be fair
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    May 31, 2018 at 2:19 p.m.
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    Quoting: er58
    I don't even see Marner as enough return for Hamilton, let alone Nylander. Hamilton is a top 5 Dman but also still young. Maybe a Nylander plus Bracco/Leivo and Zaitsev would be fair


    ooooh idk i think Marner and Nylander hold pretty similiar values... and i think Hamilton is right in that some pocket. Hamilton value as a D maybe puts him at top of that tier but Nylander and Matthews chemistry makes the trade not ideal for TOR either way. All great young players who should not be moved cough cough boston
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    May 31, 2018 at 2:21 p.m.
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    I don't even see Marner as enough return for Hamilton, let alone Nylander. Hamilton is a top 5 Dman but also still young. Maybe a Nylander plus Bracco/Leivo and Zaitsev would be fair


    Quoting: jassan28
    Norris trophy caliber defenseman for a 20 goal scoring winger, that's like trading Doughty for Tkachuk


    Based off what exactly? Because he's going to be 25 starting next year and while his offensive stats are nice, his coaches have not had the confidence to play him like a Doughty. Not even close. So can we please stop making Hamilton out to be a Norris calibre dman. He hasn't ever been nominated for one, let alone winning one, and we can review top 50 Fantasy D drafts and Hamilton won't even crack top 10 in any of them...

    In case my point was misunderstood, I am not saying Hamilton is not good. He is very good! But the exaggeration on him is palpable. He is no more a Norris calibre dman than Nylander is a #1 center/winger.
    May 31, 2018 at 2:42 p.m.
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    Nylander is nothing compared to hamilton
    May 31, 2018 at 3:03 p.m.
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    Based off what exactly? Because he's going to be 25 starting next year and while his offensive stats are nice, his coaches have not had the confidence to play him like a Doughty. Not even close. So can we please stop making Hamilton out to be a Norris calibre dman. He hasn't ever been nominated for one, let alone winning one, and we can review top 50 Fantasy D drafts and Hamilton won't even crack top 10 in any of them...

    In case my point was misunderstood, I am not saying Hamilton is not good. He is very good! But the exaggeration on him is palpable. He is no more a Norris calibre dman than Nylander is a #1 center/winger.


    You are joking, the Hamilton Giordano pairing has been then best dman couple in the league the last few seasons, it's not even a contest, the next closest couple are miles away from being as effective as them, they are heads and shoulders above the rest and while Gio has a lot to do with that, Hamilton is super talented as well
    May 31, 2018 at 3:46 p.m.
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    Quoting: er58
    You are joking, the Hamilton Giordano pairing has been then best dman couple in the league the last few seasons, it's not even a contest, the next closest couple are miles away from being as effective as them, they are heads and shoulders above the rest and while Gio has a lot to do with that, Hamilton is super talented as well[/qt

    disagree can name 5 better pairs w ease... if you are the best top pairing D in the league and stay healthy as they did you make playoffs every time.
    May 31, 2018 at 4:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: er58
    You are joking, the Hamilton Giordano pairing has been then best dman couple in the league the last few seasons, it's not even a contest, the next closest couple are miles away from being as effective as them, they are heads and shoulders above the rest and while Gio has a lot to do with that, Hamilton is super talented as well


    Rather than pull answers from your behind, do you mind putting facts to your analysis? What are you basing this insidious claim off of exactly? Your expertise?

    Once again, Im not saying these guys suck. On the contrary, they're both good but anyone who says that Giordano and Hamilton are the best d pairing in the league is not someone's opinion I take seriously.
    May 31, 2018 at 4:50 p.m.
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    Quoting: F50marco
    Rather than pull answers from your behind, do you mind putting facts to your analysis? What are you basing this insidious claim off of exactly? Your expertise?

    Once again, Im not saying these guys suck. On the contrary, they're both good but anyone who says that Giordano and Hamilton are the best d pairing in the league is not someone's opinion I take seriously.


    i would legitimately consider taking Subban and Ekholm over Gio and Ham and that is nashville's 3 and 4 pair ... there is no analysis that shows gio and ham are the best in the league
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    May 31, 2018 at 4:58 p.m.
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    i would legitimately consider taking Subban and Ekholm over Gio and Ham and that is nashville's 3 and 4 pair ... there is no analysis that shows gio and ham are the best in the league


    Right? Hamilton and Giordano are good don't get me wrong but I don't know what team @er58 is watching. No one would say they are the best tandem in the league at any time ever.... This was the first year Hamilton played over 20 minutes a game!!!
    May 31, 2018 at 6:00 p.m.
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    Quoting: F50marco
    Based off what exactly? Because he's going to be 25 starting next year and while his offensive stats are nice, his coaches have not had the confidence to play him like a Doughty. Not even close. So can we please stop making Hamilton out to be a Norris calibre dman. He hasn't ever been nominated for one, let alone winning one, and we can review top 50 Fantasy D drafts and Hamilton won't even crack top 10 in any of them...

    In case my point was misunderstood, I am not saying Hamilton is not good. He is very good! But the exaggeration on him is palpable. He is no more a Norris calibre dman than Nylander is a #1 center/winger.

    Hamilton has always been voted in Norris ballots and came around 4-7th every time, its only a matter of time he is always nominated.
    May 31, 2018 at 6:02 p.m.
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    Quoting: F50marco
    Rather than pull answers from your behind, do you mind putting facts to your analysis? What are you basing this insidious claim off of exactly? Your expertise?

    Once again, Im not saying these guys suck. On the contrary, they're both good but anyone who says that Giordano and Hamilton are the best d pairing in the league is not someone's opinion I take seriously.

    1. Werenski/Jones
    2. Muzzin/Doughty
    3.Giordano/Hamilton
    Jun. 1, 2018 at 12:05 a.m.
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    Edited Jun. 1, 2018 at 12:14 a.m.
    Quoting: VoynovsParoleOfficerGuy


    Quoting: F50marco
    Rather than pull answers from your behind, do you mind putting facts to your analysis? What are you basing this insidious claim off of exactly? Your expertise?

    Once again, Im not saying these guys suck. On the contrary, they're both good but anyone who says that Giordano and Hamilton are the best d pairing in the league is not someone's opinion I take seriously.


    Quoting: VoynovsParoleOfficerGuy
    i would legitimately consider taking Subban and Ekholm over Gio and Ham and that is nashville's 3 and 4 pair ... there is no analysis that shows gio and ham are the best in the league


    Quoting: F50marco
    Right? Hamilton and Giordano are good don't get me wrong but I don't know what team @er58 is watching. No one would say they are the best tandem in the league at any time ever.... This was the first year Hamilton played over 20 minutes a game!!!



    They are the best, can't disagree with these stats, it's the rest of the Flames that suck.
    And they posted similar numbers again this past season so if you still disagree I'd like to see the numbers for the best pairing in your opinions because no one comes close.

    https://www.tsn.ca/talent/hamilton-and-giordano-are-the-best-pairing-in-hockey-1.704373
    Jun. 1, 2018 at 11:40 a.m.
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    Quoting: jassan28
    Hamilton has always been voted in Norris ballots and came around 4-7th every time, its only a matter of time he is always nominated.


    https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/h/hamildo01.html

    Not one top 3 "nomination"..... Only finishing in the ranking to even be considered for nomination, once, (9th overall last year for Hamilton)

    Quoting: er58
    They are the best, can't disagree with these stats, it's the rest of the Flames that suck.
    And they posted similar numbers again this past season so if you still disagree I'd like to see the numbers for the best pairing in your opinions because no one comes close.

    https://www.tsn.ca/talent/hamilton-and-giordano-are-the-best-pairing-in-hockey-1.704373


    Wow those are good advanced numbers! I still don't agree though. laugh
    Jun. 1, 2018 at 6:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: F50marco
    https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/h/hamildo01.html

    Not one top 3 "nomination"..... Only finishing in the ranking to even be considered for nomination, once, (9th overall last year for Hamilton)



    Wow those are good advanced numbers! I still don't agree though. laugh


    Meanwhile, Nylander hasn’t even been considered as a proper winger and is often referred as the future third line center. Even Maroon has 7 more goals than him
    Jun. 6, 2018 at 11:26 p.m.
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    Meanwhile, Nylander hasn’t even been considered as a proper winger and is often referred as the future third line center. Even Maroon has 7 more goals than him


    Worst. Comment. Ever. rolling eyes
    Jun. 6, 2018 at 11:43 p.m.
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    Worst. Comment. Ever. rolling eyes


    That was definitely poorly worded, my apologies
    Jun. 7, 2018 at 10:51 a.m.
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    That was definitely poorly worded, my apologies


    Whoa whoa whoa, that is way too nice for this site!

    Where's the "You're so dumb" and "You don't know anything about hockey"?

    Ahhhh that's more like it!! cheers
    Jun. 7, 2018 at 1:40 p.m.
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    Quoting: F50marco
    Whoa whoa whoa, that is way too nice for this site!

    Where's the "You're so dumb" and "You don't know anything about hockey"?

    Ahhhh that's more like it!! cheers

    Got to own up to a mistake, Nylander is a top 6 goal scorer, I don’t understand what I was trying to point out
     
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