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Fair trade?

Created by: mhockey91
Team: 2018-19 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 3, 2018
Published: Jun. 3, 2018
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Didn’t do any signings just the trade
Trades
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  1. Ryan, Bobby
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Montreal improves their forwards. Ryan could easily get 50 points in Montreal and they have the cap space to afford his overpaid contract. They get forward help they need
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  1. Alzner, Karl
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Ottawa takes back the less expensive contract because melnyk is so cheap. They get a “methot” style player
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2018
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$80,000,000$64,812,975$0$782,500$15,187,025
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
$4,900,000$4,900,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 2
$7,250,000$7,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
$4,050,000$4,050,000
LW
UFA - 1
$3,900,000$3,900,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
$1,166,667$1,166,667
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$650,000$650,000
C
UFA - 1
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$175,000$175K)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$950,000$950,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$839,166$839,166
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$650,000$650,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 8
$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 8
$2,100,000$2,100,000
LD
UFA - 2
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
$950,000$950,000
G
UFA - 1
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
RD
UFA - 2
$748,333$748,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
LD/RD
UFA - 2
$725,000$725,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Jun. 3, 2018 at 4:56 p.m.
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Habs need a #1 centre, Galchenyuk is better on the wing.
Jun. 3, 2018 at 5:02 p.m.
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Quoting: tsylvestre
Habs need a #1 centre, Galchenyuk is better on the wing.


Did you not read my description? All I did was make the trade i didn’t address positions or signings or anything
Jun. 3, 2018 at 5:06 p.m.
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1v1 I guess it make sens value wise, cause of the contract length of Ryan.

But hockey wise, it's a non-sens. Montréal have so many Wingers, and adding an other one would push Lehkonen and Hudon on the fourth line, even if u trade Pacc.

Plus, Montréal have many heavy contract, why add one of the worst in the nhl that won't even fulfill a need.

Value wise, sure.
Hockey wise, no.
Jun. 3, 2018 at 5:18 p.m.
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Quoting: cbc16
1v1 I guess it make sens value wise, cause of the contract length of Ryan.

But hockey wise, it's a non-sens. Montréal have so many Wingers, and adding an other one would push Lehkonen and Hudon on the fourth line, even if u trade Pacc.

Plus, Montréal have many heavy contract, why add one of the worst in the nhl that won't even fulfill a need.



Value wise, sure.
Hockey wise, no.


So true but I’m considering that trade because we are missing debt on the right wing just two player Gallagher and Shaw. Lehkonen and Hudon Are lefties and this is why we are trying to move one of them. Ex Patch.
Jun. 3, 2018 at 5:30 p.m.
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Quoting: BuckRogers
So true but I’m considering that trade because we are missing debt on the right wing just two player Gallagher and Shaw. Lehkonen and Hudon Are lefties and this is why we are trying to move one of them. Ex Patch.


Exactly. Gallagher is the only Top 6 RW for Habs. Ryan would improve that side
Jun. 3, 2018 at 5:40 p.m.
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Players who can play RW:
Byron
Gallagher
Shaw
Galchenyuk
Scherbak

LW:
Pacioretty
Lehkonen
Hudon
Deslaurier

C: nothing really for the top 6 but let's go anyway figuring they don't make a trade and get one
Drouin
Danault
De la rose
Froese

Now, it's true many Wingers get to play on both side, some like shaw and galchenyuk have been use at center sometimes.
But it's not a natural position.

Getting Ryan just add to the problem, too many Wingers capable of playing top6 or top9, but no top 6 center. Litteraly no center! Drouin can help but he's way better on the wing, Danault is best as a third line center.

Anyway, I don't believe Ryan fill a need.
Jun. 3, 2018 at 5:56 p.m.
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Quoting: cbc16
Players who can play RW:
Byron
Gallagher
Shaw
Galchenyuk
Scherbak

LW:
Pacioretty
Lehkonen
Hudon
Deslaurier

C: nothing really for the top 6 but let's go anyway figuring they don't make a trade and get one
Drouin
Danault
De la rose
Froese

Now, it's true many Wingers get to play on both side, some like shaw and galchenyuk have been use at center sometimes.
But it's not a natural position.

Getting Ryan just add to the problem, too many Wingers capable of playing top6 or top9, but no top 6 center. Litteraly no center! Drouin can help but he's way better on the wing, Danault is best as a third line center.

Anyway, I don't believe Ryan fill a need.


I hope you know you’re also LOSING Alzner which is an addition by itself. The Habs would be a much better team with Ryan in their top 6 than Alzner in their top 4. Habs can still go out and sign a FA centre like stasney. I’m just suggesting this is a move that makes a lot of sense
Jun. 3, 2018 at 10:47 p.m.
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Quoting: mhockey91
I hope you know you’re also LOSING Alzner which is an addition by itself. The Habs would be a much better team with Ryan in their top 6 than Alzner in their top 4. Habs can still go out and sign a FA centre like stasney. I’m just suggesting this is a move that makes a lot of sense


Yeah addition by subtraction. But at this level ure better trading him for a late pick to a team that could need him or trying to reach the salary floor.

I feel you trade a broken leg Vs a lung cancer.

Alzner had a terrible year, as did everyone in Montréal not named gallagher pretty much. But cost way less and is possible to trade. He could very well come back to his normal tenure next season.

Ryan has had the last 2 years under 40pts, just turn 31 and is sign at a 7.25. They can't move him, as trying to include him in a karlsson trade proves.

My take is that it's not a hockey trade that make sens for Montréal.
Jun. 4, 2018 at 12:44 a.m.
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Yeah addition by subtraction. But at this level ure better trading him for a late pick to a team that could need him or trying to reach the salary floor.

I feel you trade a broken leg Vs a lung cancer.

Alzner had a terrible year, as did everyone in Montréal not named gallagher pretty much. But cost way less and is possible to trade. He could very well come back to his normal tenure next season.

Ryan has had the last 2 years under 40pts, just turn 31 and is sign at a 7.25. They can't move him, as trying to include him in a karlsson trade proves.

My take is that it's not a hockey trade that make sens for Montréal.


No team would take Alzner unless Habs retain. Ryan’s contract is worse but he’s also a better player. I think he’d be a decent 50 point player there
Jun. 4, 2018 at 8:42 a.m.
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I would rather just keep Alzner than pay Ryan
Jun. 4, 2018 at 12:39 p.m.
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Quoting: wakeman
I would rather just keep Alzner than pay Ryan


Yeah me too.

Alzner could very well bounce back too.

If you really want to get rid of him, just buy him out. It's less of a pain in the ass than being stuck with Ryan.
 
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