absolutely not. Leafs have their franchise goalie for the first time in years and you wanna trade him for Robin Lehner? i know thats not the actual trade but eve brett pesce doesn't mae it worth it

This is a joke.

Lehner has been a dependably average to elite starter in Buffalo over his career. The only real advantage to having Andersen (generally league average as a starter) over him is Freddie's ability to start 70 a season, which the Leafs don't need with Sparks as backup. The Leafs are IMO a 1RD away from being cup favourites. You wanna give that up just to keep the starter you're comfortable with?

Lehner is garbage. Go ahead make a list of the top 20 goalies in the league. If he makes it...you screwed up. Anderson bailed out that sieve of a defense many nights.

Lehner's been bailing out godawful defenses and godawful teams his whole career. Have you SEEN the bluelines he's played behind. The guy put up a save percentage this year well below his career average, yet his GSAA (goals saved above average) was still right around zero. Even in a down year Lehner's an average netminder, and his Sv% this year was a good .01 less than what he usually provides. The guy is easily a top-15 netminder in the league.

Make your list

1. Bobrovsky
2. Rinne
3. Price
4. Gibson
5. Quick
6. Holtby
7. Jones
8. Vasilevskiy
9. Hellebuyck
10. Murray
11. Andersen
12. Lehner
13. Rask
14. Smith
15. Raanta

Talbot's sitting at 16 right behind Raanta by a tiny amount.

I actually see value in the trade from both teams. but it's such whimsey to think Pesce or any good RHD is going to lead the Leafs to the Cup. karlsson can't do with ottawa. doughty can no longer advance the kings. and how many playoffs games have the canes and pesce played.

The 3 you have below Lehner, Dubnyk, Crawford, Schneider, Lundqvist, Fleury. Backups - Grubbauer, Saros. I’d take everyone of them over Lehner.

Dubnyk's been the beneficiary of really good D in Minny, and he actually has been pretty close to league average in GSAA and dsv%. Crawford's had similar situations with CHI, with this year being an anomaly in that regard, though the two aren't incomparable (I probably should've had Crawford at 14 in retrospect). Lundqvist hasn't actually been that ridiculous over the past few seasons, wth his only draw over Lehner being more starts (still probably should'e had him around that 11-13 range, this is the issue with trying to do this type of thing on the spot, I always miss people.) Rask's in the same boat as Andersen, but hasn't been as dependable of late. Smith's old, less consistent and more prone to massive injuries. Raanta has one good year in the books. Grubauer's been phenomenal as a backup, but ask any Canes fan how well backup success translates to starter success. Saros is in that boat too, plus he's had some ridiculously good defenses in front of him. (I would not be surprised to see Nashville sweep the Norris finalists). Overall, 13 might make more sense for Lehner (can't believe I forgot Lundqvist), but the point stands.

The Leafs really don't have any other holes. The forward corps is great, the left side of the blueline is terrifying, the right side has solid depth, the netminding's sorted. Doughty and Karlsson can't advance their teams because their teams are bad. The Sens are paying Bobby ****ing Ryan 7 million a year, have no forward depth, and used Ceci-Phaneuf as a shutdown pair (it failed something beyond miserably). The Kings have an aged core and horrible cap situation masked by Kopitar, Doughty, and Quick. The Canes can't make the playoffs because they haven't had a decent starter in 10 years. The Leafs with Pesce are a far cry from any of those teams.

And i forgot Ullmark, who he is losing his job to. Lol.

He shouldn't be losing his job to Ullmark: Ullmark only put up a .922 with Rochester, while Michael Hutchinson (the guy WPG bumped after getting Mason) put up a .935 with Manitoba. Ullmark isn't an NHL-ready starter. A good prospect, yes, but nowhere near an NHL starter.

Wherever you rank Lehner...he's a head case...I don't want him on this team. Only way I see the Leafs moving Andersen is in maybe 2 years if Sparks or Pickard (assuming one or both are still on the team) show they're ready to be a full time starter.

I've struggled through enough years of Raycroft, Toskala, Riemer, Bernier and the random riff raff in between...I don't want any part of downgrading in net to imrprove at RD

Lehner's character is fine. He's pushed through plenty of adversity in his career. He may not be the workhorse Freddie is, but he's a solid starter for 50 games, and the other 32 are why we have a young,, promising, high-end backup.

I get the aversion to downgrading in net (though Reimer was IMO pretty solid.) But the Leafs are a 1RD away from being cup favourites IMO. That's worth trading Freddie, good as he is.

worst trade ever leafs have a goalie you dont trade he's like curtis material

Andersen is really solid. Lehner is also quite solid, so Andersen isn't irreplacable. The trade definitively handled the only issue in the lineup. Yes, trading Freddie is sad, but the Leafs are probably getting a cup out of it. That makes it easily worth it.

I've seen enough of his 'outbursts' to know he can't handle this market.

Usually what a guy does/feels off the ice doesn't significantly impact his performance on the ice. Even Jordan Eberle, who went on the record saying that the negativity from the EDM market was a big issue for him, was consistently good with the Oilers. Lehner'll be fine as a player, and, if the Leafs are forward-thinking enough to hire a team psychologist/psychiatrist (come on, Dubas), he'll be fine as a person as well.

I'd rather roll with Sparks-CMac instead of trading for that psycho/crybaby/whatever you wanna call him.

I don't know why any team would trade anything for Lehner.

Because he's a consistently above average NHL starter who's performed admirably behind some truly awful D corps. Off-ice outbursts, as a rule, do not diminish a player's effectiveness. Lehner's issues are orders of magnitudes less serious than Evander Kane, who consistently scores 25-30 goals and just got a 7 years by $7 million extension. That's a bad deal, and Evander Kane is a bad guy, but it does show how off-ice and on-ice are not all that connected.

I will also refer you to the Eberle example.

Isn't just trying to justify a trade when you "the Leafs probably get a Cup out of it." OK, I get the trade, but saying Pesce is going to me the difference between a first round defeat and four series wins. C'mon.

Outbursts have come on the ice too. Honestly the Toronto media sucks as far as harassing players...particularly when they have a bad game. You need a certain type of mental strength to play net here and Freddy has ice in his veins. Robin slams his helmet around and gives his coach the death stare if he gets pulled.

Palhal, the Leafs have a straight shot at the cup if they survive the atlantic. Upgrading from Hainsey to Pesce at 1RD could easily be the difference between a first round exit and that.

Juice, Plenty of solid goalies have on-ice outbursts (such as Mike Smith). Yes, Toronto media and fans often harass the players, but a guys inner demons generally don't affect their play (again, Eberle). Toronto might suck for Lehner, but Lehner wouldn't suck for Toronto, and if he's given support from the team/org (the best run in the NHL, IMO), they can keep his mental health under control. The coaching staff should help too. Babcock's making all that money for something, right? Because it isn't his lineups.