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Reinhart to Philly

Created by: Shibbal18
Initial Creation Date: Jun 15, 2018
Published: Jun 15, 2018 at 10:03
Team: 2018-19 Buffalo Sabres
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Bailey, Justin2$700,000
Lehner, Robin1$4,000,000
Malone, Sean2$650,000
Wilson, Scott1$650,000
Smith, C.J.2$700,000
O'Regan, Danny3$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Wilcox, Adam1$650,000
Sislo, Mike1$650,000
van Riemsdyk, James5$5,750,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Dahlin, Rasmus3$925,000
Denisenko, Grigori3$925,000
Trades
BUF
  1. Weal, Jordan
  2. MacDonald, Andrew
  3. Lindblom, Oskar
  4. 2018 1st round pick (PHI)
PHI
    The rights to Sam Reinhart
    The rights to Nicholas Baptiste
    BUF
    1. Lazar, Curtis
    CGY
    1. Larsson, Johan
    Buyouts
    • Ville Leino: $0
    • Christian Ehrhoff: $0
    • Cody Hodgson: -$458,333
    Buried
    • Nathan Beaulieu: $1,375,000 ($2,400,000)
    • Matt Moulson: $3,975,000 ($5,000,000)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2018
    BUF
    PHI
    BUF
    BUF
    MIN
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    2019
    BUF
    SJS
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    SJS
    BUF
    BUF
    2020
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$80,000,000$74,385,357$0$1,912,500$5,614,643
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    van Riemsdyk, James
    $5,750,000
    LW
    UFA - 5
    Eichel, Jack
    $10,000,000
    C
    UFA - 8
    Nylander, Alexander
    $863,333
    RW, LW
    RFA - 3
    Lindblom, Oskar
    $925,000
    LW
    RFA - 2
    O'Reilly, Ryan
    $7,500,000
    C
    UFA - 5
    Okposo, Kyle
    $6,000,000
    RW
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    Weal, Jordan
    $1,750,000
    C, RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Mittelstadt, Casey
    $925,000
    C
    RFA - 2
    Lazar, Curtis
    $950,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    Bailey, Justin
    $700,000
    RW
    RFA - 1
    Girgensons, Zemgus
    $1,600,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
    Rodrigues, Evan
    $650,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 1
    Wilson, Scott
    $650,000
    LW
    UFA - 2
    Pominville, Jason
    $5,600,000
    RW
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Dahlin, Rasmus
    $925,000
    Ristolainen, Rasmus
    $5,400,000
    RD
    UFA - 4
    Ullmark, Linus
    $750,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    McCabe, Jake
    $1,600,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    MacDonald, Andrew
    $5,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    Lehner, Robin
    $4,000,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Scandella, Marco
    $2,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    Bogosian, Zach
    $5,142,857
    RD
    UFA - 2
    Nelson, Casey
    $812,500
    RD
    UFA - 2

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    Jun 15, 2018 at 10:06
    #1
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    Stop trading reinhart.
    Jun 15, 2018 at 10:08
    #2
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    Shibbal18
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    Quoting: wojme
    Stop trading reinhart.


    I’m less attached to Reinhart than Risto and am bored of ROR trades
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    Jun 15, 2018 at 10:18
    #3
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    I’m less attached to Reinhart than Risto and am bored of ROR trades


    Reinhart for Namestnikov+9th overall?
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    Jun 15, 2018 at 10:26
    #4
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    Quoting: VoynovsParoleOfficerGuy
    Reinhart for Namestnikov+9th overall?

    That’s pretty interesting
    Jun 15, 2018 at 10:27
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    Quoting: VoynovsParoleOfficerGuy
    Reinhart for Namestnikov+9th overall?


    That would be horrible for the Rangers.
    Jun 15, 2018 at 10:32
    #6
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    As much as I hate the idea of trading Reinhart, this is not bad.
    Jun 15, 2018 at 10:39
    #7
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    Not interesting.

    Weal one year from UFA, MacDonald two years from UFA, they will not help us in the future, Botterill will not do this, he would rather trade ROR for the future team to build on for many years. Lindblom let's say interesting but I won't trade Reinhart for Lindblom and 1st OA 19.
    Jun 15, 2018 at 10:44
    #8
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    Quoting: TheRiddler
    Not interesting.

    Weal one year from UFA, MacDonald two years from UFA, they will not help us in the future, Botterill will not do this, he would rather trade ROR for the future team to build on for many years. Lindblom let's say interesting but I won't trade Reinhart for Lindblom and 1st OA 19.
    I have been chastised for not having enough experience on the defense, 2 years of McDonald is enough. Weal is interesting to see if he can give more, He has one year to prove he’s worth bringing back. If not he can walk to. McDonald, Lindblom, and 19OA is about right for Reinharts value
    Jun 15, 2018 at 10:44
    #9
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    I don’t mind this trade. Two good young assets and a couple vet guys to help fill out the roster.

    With JVR, I don’t see him signing much less than Kane’s 7x7. I’d prefer to avoid the big UFAs this offseason personally as we aren’t really ina position to be going all out. Maybe Perron/Nash/Vanek.
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    Jun 15, 2018 at 10:46
    #10
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    Quoting: mikeyscav
    I don’t mind this trade. Two good young assets and a couple vet guys to help fill out the roster.

    With JVR, I don’t see him signing much less than Kane’s 7x7. I’d prefer to avoid the big UFAs this offseason personally as we aren’t really ina position to be going all out. Maybe Perron/Nash/Vanek.
    Perron probably tries to milk his stats for a ridiculous contract, Nash might want to much term too, Vanek is worst case scenario signing for me but I wouldn’t be opposed
    Jun 15, 2018 at 10:47
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    I have been chastised for not having enough experience on the defense, 2 years of McDonald is enough. Well is interesting to see if he can give more, He has one year to prove he’s worth bringing back. If not he can walk to. McDonald, Lindblom, and 19OA is about right for Reinharts value


    Still not interested, either leave little Samson or ask for a lot of him.
    Jun 15, 2018 at 10:48
    #12
    I like Eich
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Perron probably tries to milk his stats for a ridiculous contract, Nash might want to much term too, Vanek is worst case scenario signing for me but I wouldn’t be opposed


    I could see Perron getting inflated deal, that’s why I try to avoid him on mine. Nash is 33 and coming off a concussion and down year production wise. I don’t see him commanding much more than a 2-3 year deal, which buffalo could totally deal with
    Jun 15, 2018 at 10:51
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    Quoting: TheRiddler
    Not interesting.

    Weal one year from UFA, MacDonald two years from UFA, they will not help us in the future, Botterill will not do this, he would rather trade ROR for the future team to build on for many years. Lindblom let's say interesting but I won't trade Reinhart for Lindblom and 1st OA 19.


    You can re-sign Weal and MacDonald.
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    Jun 15, 2018 at 10:53
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    Quoting: Dmh1055
    You can re-sign Weal and MacDonald.


    I know, but first of all, there is no guarantee that they will sign up, and second, I'm not very interested in these players.
    Jun 15, 2018 at 10:58
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    Quoting: TheRiddler
    I know, but first of all, there is no guarantee that they will sign up, and second, I'm not very interested in these players.


    MacDonald would gladly accept an extension at his current cap hit. Weal would too.
    Jun 15, 2018 at 11:00
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    Quoting: Dmh1055
    MacDonald would gladly accept an extension at his current cap hit. Weal would too.


    Still no interest in them, I think we could find a more interesting offer for Reinhart, in the same Minnesota, which is very much in need of RW.
    Jun 15, 2018 at 11:05
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    Quoting: TheRiddler
    Still no interest in them, I think we could find a more interesting offer for Reinhart, in the same Minnesota, which is very much in need of RW.

    I like Weal. Their are a couple of guys, Lazars another one, that are low risk - high reward players.
    Jun 15, 2018 at 11:09
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    I like Weal. Their are a couple of guys, Lazars another one, that are low risk - high reward players.


    I like Voracek, Koneckny and Simmonds.
    Jun 15, 2018 at 11:13
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    Quoting: TheRiddler
    I like Voracek, Koneckny and Simmonds.

    So does Philadelphia
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    Jun 15, 2018 at 11:20
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    Yeah that feels like trading Reinhart for nothing. (Not for no value but for the sake of trading Reinhart i mean)

    I get the idea you are going for but you can resolve those issues in A) Free agency or B) with a less impactful player like Reinhart.

    If you really want Macdonald, Im sure Philly will give you him and Weal for free just for a 7th rounder in return. AMac is ridiculously overpaid for what he brings. Weal is a bottom 6 winger. You're not breaking the bank here.
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    Jun 15, 2018 at 11:38
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    Quoting: F50marco
    Yeah that feels like trading Reinhart for nothing. (Not for no value but for the sake of trading Reinhart i mean)

    I get the idea you are going for but you can resolve those issues in A) Free agency or B) with a less impactful player like Reinhart.

    If you really want Macdonald, Im sure Philly will give you him and Weal for free just for a 7th rounder in return. AMac is ridiculously overpaid for what he brings. Weal is a bottom 6 winger. You're not breaking the bank here.
    those 2 are throw ins I’m going after the pick and prospect. I don’t want the Sabres to go after FAs, theyre just setting themselves up for disaster. Reinhart is the least impactful of the 3 players rumored about
    Jun 15, 2018 at 11:48
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    those 2 are throw ins I’m going after the pick and prospect. I don’t want the Sabres to go after FAs, theyre just setting themselves up for disaster. Reinhart is the least impactful of the 3 players rumored about


    For throw ins, you're taking on alot...... and getting back Lindblom and a 1st for Reinhart may be selling him short. Guy is still young and getting better. He's a 50 pt guy now, what's to say he isn't a 60-70 pt guy in the future? Lindblom has done nothing yet although its still early and the 1st may end up being another Girgensons. Then....you essentially traded a 50+ Reinhart for.....Lindblom.

    That's why I'm saying this trade is for nothing. You aren't addressing any real needs on the team. Your just swinging for the fences hoping for a home run.

    Just because those 3 guys are in rumours doesn't mean you have to trade them.
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    Jun 15, 2018 at 11:53
    #23
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    Quoting: F50marco
    For throw ins, you're taking on alot...... and getting back Lindblom and a 1st for Reinhart may be selling him short. Guy is still young and getting better. He's a 50 pt guy now, what's to say he isn't a 60-70 pt guy in the future? Lindblom has done nothing yet although its still early and the 1st may end up being another Girgensons. Then....you essentially traded a 50+ Reinhart for.....Lindblom.

    That's why I'm saying this trade is for nothing. You aren't addressing any real needs on the team. Your just swinging for the fences hoping for a home run.

    Just because those 3 guys are in rumours doesn't mean you have to trade them.

    I get the point but this draft is way higher regarded than 2012 which seems to be pretty weak all around.
    Jun 15, 2018 at 12:04
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    I get the point but this draft is way higher regarded than 2012 which seems to be pretty weak all around.


    ahhhhh yada yada yada. Every year its the same thing. "this years draft is going to be a high end draft". Its the same non sense. Last year might have been the one year where people actually said it was a weak draft and they still had some gems come through.

    You can't justify the 19th pick being more valuable than the player drafted @2 a couple years back. I think Reinhart is progressing just fine. Its Buffalo that is sucking. Reinhart on a playoff team is a regular 50-60 point guy. I wouldn't give that up so lightly. He's only what 22?
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