3-way with NYR & BUF

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You have my interest replies GMBots but just wondering what does the NYR get out of this deal.

Jun. 16, 2018 at 4:35 p.m.

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The format doesn't allow 3 way but here:

To BUF: V. Namestnikov rights + N. Sherback
To NYR: 1st round pick 2018 (3rd overall)
To MTL: R. O'Reilly + 1st round pick (9th overall)

Jun. 16, 2018 at 4:37 p.m.

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Minnesota would hang up as soon as that gets offered

Jun. 16, 2018 at 4:41 p.m.

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Minnesota would hang up as soon as that gets offered

You think? I'm curious to know your position. On my side I'm seeing a lot of centers (Koivu, Eriksson Ek, Staal, Coyle) and a cruel lack of scoring. If you want big assets you have to move some big ones to. We've seen a lot of 1 vs 1 trade in the past and Pacioretty discount is not to be missed.

Jun. 16, 2018 at 4:42 p.m.

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Quoting: bgc

The format doesn't allow 3 way but here:

To BUF: V. Namestnikov rights + N. Sherback
To NYR: 1st round pick 2018 (3rd overall)
To MTL: R. O'Reilly + 1st round pick (9th overall)

This is pretty intriguing but I think the Sabres lose in this three way. Giving up ROR should net more than this, right? I don’t know much about Scherbak though other than a quick glance at his AHL stat sheet.

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Jun. 16, 2018 at 4:50 p.m.

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I know right? Intriguing. Honestly as for "players value", I have seen some surprising stuff lately starting with Domi-Galchenyuk. I also feel that they might come a little short... But both players are line-up ready and promising. Not to say, they'll draft Dahlin. With this trade they could change their entire core and locker room seems to be devised between ROR and Eichel. With 10+ M$ for the next years, Eichel has to be your choice.

Jun. 16, 2018 at 4:50 p.m.

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GMBots says thanks for the information and he is a HARD PASS..... he is happy wait until JT signs then whichever teams miss out and want a center can give him a call....

Wow so Montreal moves down 6 spots and gives up Sherback and in return gets ROR....... now that is really comical.

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Jun. 16, 2018 at 4:54 p.m.

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Thanks for being a little sarcastic *****. That's exactly what we expected to peacefully discuss hockey.

Jun. 16, 2018 at 4:57 p.m.

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No for Buffalo. Namestnikov and Scherbak for ROR let us little.

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Jun. 16, 2018 at 5:02 p.m.

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Granlund is worth much more than Pacioretty. Pacioretty had an off year, he doesn't have as much trade value as he had a year ago

Jun. 16, 2018 at 5:02 p.m.

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I'll help you. So what's ROR value then? He has been traded in the past for basically Zadorov, a 2nd pick and a bunch of prospects. It is a serious question: what's his worth?

Jun. 16, 2018 at 5:04 p.m.

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Granlund is worth much more than Pacioretty. Pacioretty had an off year, he doesn't have as much trade value as he had a year ago

I agree with you, but don't you think that 1 off year with no valuable center can shadow 4 consecutive seasons of 39, 37, 30 and 35 goals?

Jun. 16, 2018 at 5:04 p.m.

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No for Buffalo. Namestnikov and Scherbak for ROR let us little.

What else from either Montreal or Rangers would you consider to make that 3-way work?

Jun. 16, 2018 at 5:12 p.m.

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What else from either Montreal or Rangers would you consider to make that 3-way work?

GMBots is in the catbird seat at the moment....

1. He does not NEED to move ROR

2. The fact that ROR does NOT have a NTC or NMC with his contract also benefits GMBots

3. He is a top legit C in the league which do not hit the open market very often advantage GMBots;

4. There will be rush to pick up a legit Center once JT signs..... ROR is the next best available option so waiting will only increase GMBots return;

5. What would GMBots be looking for..... Top 6 Forward or Top pair D, Top Prospect & Top Draft pick;

Thanks for the compliment in regard to me being sarcastic.... I am always open to a honest and in depth discussion of hockey..... In this three way Montreal is making off with a killing.

Jun. 16, 2018 at 5:22 p.m.

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What else from either Montreal or Rangers would you consider to make that 3-way work?

Don't get me wrong, I like Namestnikov, about Shcherbak I know less, but it looks like a normal prospect. I think I would be interested in these players: NYR - Zuccarello, Spooner. MTL - Petry, Juulsen. Some kind of deal around one of these players, maybe some addition from Buffalo, what NYR and MTL needs. Zuccarello and Petry a higher priority for me.

Jun. 16, 2018 at 5:24 p.m.

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Sabres don’t love the idea of trading ROR. That first is the best thing moving to Buffalo and they have to send it to NYR, downgrade a center, just to save a year of age difference between ROR and Namestnikov and get a inconsistent AHL winger that MTL fans are praying works out. No thank you, not close

Jun. 16, 2018 at 5:36 p.m.

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I'll help you. So what's ROR value then? He has been traded in the past for basically Zadorov, a 2nd pick and a bunch of prospects. It is a serious question: what's his worth?

you say basically but Zadorov who is a top 4 Dman, was getting there when he was traded, a second that was #31 the first pick in the 2nd round, JT Compher a great middle 6 prospect at the time, who was a good 3rd line center last year with plenty of potential still, and Grigorenko who was a 1st rounder and projected to be a top 6 forward but was flaming out looking for a change of scenery + ROR didn’t have a contract, he is now signed long term and Colorado dumped what looked to be a bad cap back onto Buffalo with McGinn. I’d say it’s about that or more still

Jun. 16, 2018 at 5:44 p.m.

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Can anyone explain what does the return for a player traded 3 years ago matter in today's world..... the market will dictate what the player is worth and then GM trading that player will determine if his team is willing to accept the value being offered..... does it matter that Apple sold for $96.96 on January 8m, 2016 and the price was $190.80 on June 14, 2018......

What is ROR worth today to the teams that miss out on JT that is what will set ROR's value..... if GMBots does not agree with the value he will retain ROR's services.

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Jun. 16, 2018 at 6:12 p.m.

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The return could be discussed. But in any way, we've seen Subban traded for Weber in a intention of shuffling the deck and changing the locker room general ambiance. I don't know much about Buffalo's team other than being 31st last year and having a losing attitude, which ROR spoke on public place. I've read a lot about those locker room cliques, not helping the mood. So I don't see it necessarily as a 1 year of age difference kind of move.

Jun. 16, 2018 at 6:13 p.m.

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Agreed but he was also selling that value short

Jun. 16, 2018 at 6:14 p.m.

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Can be use as a reference value. No one is saying that his return should be equal to what happened 3 years ago. Again, just discussing stuff.

Jun. 16, 2018 at 6:16 p.m.

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The team also played much better after Kane was traded and Eichel came back. So maybe the locker room issue was already addressed. RORs comments were not about April when their kids were up and playing decent for what was expected of them

Jun. 16, 2018 at 7:50 p.m.

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You may be right. Thinking about it though, if I'm MB, I want that trade to happen and would be ready to chip in anything that could make Botterill happy.

Jun. 16, 2018 at 7:59 p.m.

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