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Team: 2018-19 Chicago Blackhawks
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 17, 2018
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Sens are sending Hoffman packing and his value is low right now. Duchene is a 1 year rental for 2C...HE'S NOT A 1C! Sens overpaid for him but 1 year left on his contract isn't worth as much.

Canes are trading Faulk, he's worth a 1st and 3rd as they rebuild. Darling is a dump, and hossa helps the Canes hit the floor at only a $1M cost. Forsberg becomes the new backup at only $750K. Hawks are taking on significant more cost then Canes.
Hawks - $7.3M. Canes - $1.75m but a cap hit of $6M.
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Jun. 17, 2018 at 8:04 a.m.
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Canes pass

Isles pass
Jun. 17, 2018 at 8:08 a.m.
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Canes pass

Isles pass


Canes don't pass, that's what the Canes and Hawks have discussed.

Murphy is worth a 2nd and can go to a bunch of teams looking for a 2nd line RHD.
Jun. 17, 2018 at 8:13 a.m.
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Canes don't pass, that's what the Canes and Hawks have discussed.

Murphy is worth a 2nd and can go to a bunch of teams looking for a 2nd line RHD.


There is a forward in the Canes deal as well, Duclair has been metioned quite a bit.


Isles could, i was on the fence on that one. But i think they use both the 2nds on Grubbauer.
Jun. 17, 2018 at 8:55 a.m.
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Hard no from Ottawa
Jun. 17, 2018 at 2:04 p.m.
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Hard no from Ottawa

Hoff is not worth Saad right now as his gf is costing him, and Duchene is not worth more then a 1st and 2nd rounder for a one year rental.
Jun. 17, 2018 at 2:07 p.m.
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Hoff is not worth Saad right now as his gf is costing him, and Duchene is not worth more then a 1st and 2nd rounder for a one year rental.


Personally don’t think Ottawa would want Saad. Think they want a 2019 first rounder for Hoff. And I disagree with your assessment on Duchene. Feel he’s worth more then a probable mid 1st and late 2nd. Top Centers are valued throughout the league
Jun. 17, 2018 at 2:13 p.m.
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Personally don’t think Ottawa would want Saad. Think they want a 2019 first rounder for Hoff. And I disagree with your assessment on Duchene. Feel he’s worth more then a probable mid 1st and late 2nd. Top Centers are valued throughout the league


Hoff isn’t getting a 1st rounder unless it’s a late one, and Saad is worth slightly more then Hoff right now.

Duchess is not a 1C and he’s not the caliber of ROR. I don’t understand why Ottawa fans think he’s all that. He’s good but now tier A talent, more like a A- talent. A first and second rounder is enough, if not Ottawa wastes another year and he walks because of all the issues they are having and Sens end up with nothing.

Between Karlsson, Hoff and Duchene; Sens can pick up 3 more 1st round picks in a deep draft and rebuild quickly.
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Jun. 17, 2018 at 3:17 p.m.
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Hoff isn’t getting a 1st rounder unless it’s a late one, and Saad is worth slightly more then Hoff right now.

Duchess is not a 1C and he’s not the caliber of ROR. I don’t understand why Ottawa fans think he’s all that. He’s good but now tier A talent, more like a A- talent. A first and second rounder is enough, if not Ottawa wastes another year and he walks because of all the issues they are having and Sens end up with nothing.

Between Karlsson, Hoff and Duchene; Sens can pick up 3 more 1st round picks in a deep draft and rebuild quickly.


Duchene is 100% a 1C and saying otherwise is ignorant or you just haven’t watched him play enough. Sure ROR could be better but Duchene is not too far behind. Only way Duchene would be a 2C would be on a team with an established legit star 1C which not many teams have.
Jun. 17, 2018 at 3:23 p.m.
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Duchene is 100% a 1C and saying otherwise is ignorant or you just haven’t watched him play enough. Sure ROR could be better but Duchene is not too far behind. Only way Duchene would be a 2C would be on a team with an established legit star 1C which not many teams have.


I can name 20 centers off the top of my head who are better. There was a ton of hype around Duchene for years to the point some were sold on it and Sens fans believe his value is what they traded him for...sorry but they got fleeced in that trade. Now with the team falling apart, that trade looks horrible given that he is UFA in 1 year. Keep Duchene and resign him for $7.5M next year for 7 years....that will be an anchor contract in a few years or trade him now and get a 1st and 2nd rounder, it's what he's worth. ROR is worth 2 1st rounders so how is Duchene worth more?
Jun. 17, 2018 at 3:47 p.m.
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I can name 20 centers off the top of my head who are better. There was a ton of hype around Duchene for years to the point some were sold on it and Sens fans believe his value is what they traded him for...sorry but they got fleeced in that trade. Now with the team falling apart, that trade looks horrible given that he is UFA in 1 year. Keep Duchene and resign him for $7.5M next year for 7 years....that will be an anchor contract in a few years or trade him now and get a 1st and 2nd rounder, it's what he's worth. ROR is worth 2 1st rounders so how is Duchene worth more?


I mean sure you can say they gave up a lot to get him but at the time they were coming off a deep playoff run and were 5-2-5 on the season and felt he was an upgrade to what they had. Really the only piece that they gave up that hurts is the 1st rounder which they felt wouldn’t be a problem which obviously they were wrong about. Duchene finished the season as about a point a game player. In my books anyone that plays at that level in the NHL at C is a 1C. There’s also 31 teams so that means there’s 31 1Cs and I personally don’t believe there are 31 better C in the game today. I mean it’s all opinion based I’m not gonna sit here and say Duchene is the best C in the league but I don’t feel it’s fair to think he is not a 1C when he is easily one of the top 31. Also never said Duchene is worth more then ROR but said he wouldn’t be far off.
Jun. 17, 2018 at 3:56 p.m.
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I mean sure you can say they gave up a lot to get him but at the time they were coming off a deep playoff run and were 5-2-5 on the season and felt he was an upgrade to what they had. Really the only piece that they gave up that hurts is the 1st rounder which they felt wouldn’t be a problem which obviously they were wrong about. Duchene finished the season as about a point a game player. In my books anyone that plays at that level in the NHL at C is a 1C. There’s also 31 teams so that means there’s 31 1Cs and I personally don’t believe there are 31 better C in the game today. I mean it’s all opinion based I’m not gonna sit here and say Duchene is the best C in the league but I don’t feel it’s fair to think he is not a 1C when he is easily one of the top 31. Also never said Duchene is worth more then ROR but said he wouldn’t be far off.


What has Duchene ever done to be considered a 1C? He's a perfect 2C but not a 1C. Temporarily he could be, but as you can see, when he is, the team is not a playoff team. Derek Stepan also plays as 1C in Arizona and he for sure is not 1C either. They just don't have anyone better. Much like the Sens.
And he's definitely not on top 31. Think of teams like Caps, Pens, Oilers, Isles (if they keep JT), each team has 2 centers that are all better than Duchene.
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Jun. 17, 2018 at 4:10 p.m.
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What has Duchene ever done to be considered a 1C? He's a perfect 2C but not a 1C. Temporarily he could be, but as you can see, when he is, the team is not a playoff team. Derek Stepan also plays as 1C in Arizona and he for sure is not 1C either. They just don't have anyone better. Much like the Sens.
And he's definitely not on top 31. Think of teams like Caps, Pens, Oilers, Isles (if they keep JT), each team has 2 centers that are all better than Duchene.


I mean everyone is entitled to there own opinion but personally I can’t think of 31 better centres in the game. Yes caps pens and oilers have a 2 capable 1C on their teams but their are many teams( like Arizona) that don’t have any. I think it’s really all down to everyone’s opinion of certain players and the order can be mixed around with everyone’s personal biases towards they’re teams players. I personally thought Duchene was a 1C when he was still in Colorado. But I can see where you might see him as a fringe 1C / excellent 2C just not an opinion I share.
Jun. 17, 2018 at 4:13 p.m.
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Kuznetsov, Bäckström, McDavid, Eichel, O'Reilly, Seguin, Crosby, Malkin, Tavares, Barzal, Draisaitl, Stamkos, Point, Scheifele, Toews, Couture, Matthews, Giroux, Couturier, Dubois, Wennberg, Johansen, Barkov, Schenn, Trocheck, Monahan, Carter, Bergeron, Kopitar, Getzlaf, Mackinnon, Zibanejad.
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Jun. 17, 2018 at 4:19 p.m.
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I mean everyone is entitled to there own opinion but personally I can’t think of 31 better centres in the game. Yes caps pens and oilers have a 2 capable 1C on their teams but their are many teams( like Arizona) that don’t have any. I think it’s really all down to everyone’s opinion of certain players and the order can be mixed around with everyone’s personal biases towards they’re teams players. I personally thought Duchene was a 1C when he was still in Colorado. But I can see where you might see him as a fringe 1C / excellent 2C just not an opinion I share.


Yes, it's an opinion up to a certain extent, but I think the ones I mentioned are all better than Duchene. And there are rookies from this year that I didn't even mention. So in a couple of years there will be many more better than Duchene. And this is not an attack towards you, Duchene or Sens. It's just a fact that he's not a true #1 center.
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Jun. 17, 2018 at 4:31 p.m.
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Yes, it's an opinion up to a certain extent, but I think the ones I mentioned are all better than Duchene. And there are rookies from this year that I didn't even mention. So in a couple of years there will be many more better than Duchene. And this is not an attack towards you, Duchene or Sens. It's just a fact that he's not a true #1 center.


I mean sure they’re are many that could be better. But I can pick out a handful from that list that I feel he’s on par or better then. And no worries I know it’s everyones opinion and everyone favours different players. Personally I don’t like crowning players who’ve had one good season capable 1C especially if they play on teams with many great players ( couturier, Point, Dubois) personally view carter, Toews and Getzlaf as more 2C with high leadership qualities. Getzlaf maybe a 1C still don’t follow the ducks very much to be honest. Personally I view Duchene as the same or close to with ROR ( less the faceoffs because ROR is one of if not the best) or Trocheck or Schenn. 2Cs on very good teams but 1Cs on teams like Ottawa.
Jun. 17, 2018 at 4:45 p.m.
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I mean sure they’re are many that could be better. But I can pick out a handful from that list that I feel he’s on par or better then. And no worries I know it’s everyones opinion and everyone favours different players. Personally I don’t like crowning players who’ve had one good season capable 1C especially if they play on teams with many great players ( couturier, Point, Dubois) personally view carter, Toews and Getzlaf as more 2C with high leadership qualities. Getzlaf maybe a 1C still don’t follow the ducks very much to be honest. Personally I view Duchene as the same or close to with ROR ( less the faceoffs because ROR is one of if not the best) or Trocheck or Schenn. 2Cs on very good teams but 1Cs on teams like Ottawa.


Without a question of a doubt, if the Hawks got Duchene, Toews is still the 1C not Duchene. I'm sure the same with Getzlaf. 1C's aren't just about points, they have to play a 2 way game and be physical. Even looking at stats alone Toews has a better average points per game career, has a better FO% and is simply a better 2 way player, better puck possession and more physical. Without Matt being a better 2 way player, physical and better puck possession player, he's never going to be a solid 1C. Over the past few years with trade rumors, he has been one of the most overhyped players....which people get wrapped around the axle propping up higher then what the player is. ROR, one of the game's best 2Cs, is getting propped up like a great 1C...it's comical.
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Jun. 17, 2018 at 4:51 p.m.
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Without a question of a doubt, if the Hawks got Duchene, Toews is still the 1C not Duchene. I'm sure the same with Getzlaf. 1C's aren't just about points, they have to play a 2 way game and be physical. Even looking at stats alone Toews has a better Toews average more points per game, has a better FO% and is simply a better 2 way player, better puck possession and more physical. Without Matt being a better 2 way player, physical and better puck possession player, he's never going to be a solid 1C. Over the past few years with trade rumors, he has been one of the most overhyped players....which people get wrapped around the axle propping up higher then what the player is. ROR, one of the game's best 2Cs, is getting propped up like a great 1C...it's comical.


Okay I can agree with you on that. No denying that Toews is a heck of a player I just feel he’s been declining production wise recently. His two way game is one of the best and feel that is what’s keeping him as a 1C. But agree that when very good 2Cs become available they get hyped up as possible 1Cs. Maybe I’m in that group as well ?
Jun. 17, 2018 at 4:58 p.m.
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Okay I can agree with you on that. No denying that Toews is a heck of a player I just feel he’s been declining production wise recently. His two way game is one of the best and feel that is what’s keeping him as a 1C. But agree that when very good 2Cs become available they get hyped up as possible 1Cs. Maybe I’m in that group as well ?


In general fans, especially younger fans, get so wrapped up in points that they forget, points are only 1 dimensional. This is also the reason Saad is undervalued. If you look at his 2 way game, physicality and possession stats, the guy is really good and worth more then Hoff 1 for 1...bad comparison since their PPG over the last few years are pretty even but this is why, Saad for Hoff isn't a fair trade...Saad is worth slightly more due to his possession and 2 way play. Which is why a 1st, 2nd and Saad is a pretty good trade for Duchene and Hoff. Assuming Sens are retooling and looking for 26 and under players for a run in 2 to 3 years.
Jun. 17, 2018 at 5:08 p.m.
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In general fans, especially younger fans, get so wrapped up in points that they forget, points are only 1 dimensional. This is also the reason Saad is undervalued. If you look at his 2 way game, physicality and possession stats, the guy is really good and worth more then Hoff 1 for 1...bad comparison since their PPG over the last few years are pretty even but this is why, Saad for Hoff isn't a fair trade...Saad is worth slightly more due to his possession and 2 way play. Which is why a 1st, 2nd and Saad is a pretty good trade for Duchene and Hoff. Assuming Sens are retooling and looking for 26 and under players for a run in 2 to 3 years.


I can agree I just feel the value Duchene brings to Ottawa being their 1C is worth more then late 1st and 2nd picks. Saad isn’t bad just not what I think Ottawa would be interested in. Personally don’t feel they would make the trade without it being this years 1st from Chicago and a first for next year. And since chi already has a 1C I think Ottawa goes somewhere else where they can get more. Also Hoff will never be a 2 way player like Saad but I feel he’s more of the Phil Kessel esque player and gets valued for his shot and ability to put the puck in the net not his 2 way game. Some teams value that higher then having a good 2 way game
Jun. 17, 2018 at 5:14 p.m.
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I can agree I just feel the value Duchene brings to Ottawa being their 1C is worth more then late 1st and 2nd picks. Saad isn’t bad just not what I think Ottawa would be interested in. Personally don’t feel they would make the trade without it being this years 1st from Chicago and a first for next year. And since chi already has a 1C I think Ottawa goes somewhere else where they can get more. Also Hoff will never be a 2 way player like Saad but I feel he’s more of the Phil Kessel esque player and gets valued for his shot and ability to put the puck in the net not his 2 way game. Some teams value that higher then having a good 2 way game


Duchene is not getting 2 1st round picks for a 1 year rental and DEFINITELY not a top 10 first round pick this year in such a good draft. He's worth a late 1st this year and a early 2nd rounder or a 2019 1st coming from a playoff team and a late 1st this year and that would only be to a playoff team given his 1 year UFA contract.

You can't outscore opponents, teams try that and always lose to good defense. A balance is needed up front, but you have to have at least 2 forwards in the front two lines who are good 2 way players and i would argue 4 players unless the team has a lights out defense on the 1st and 2nd lines which is only maybe 3 teams.
Jun. 17, 2018 at 5:30 p.m.
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Duchene is not getting 2 1st round picks for a 1 year rental and DEFINITELY not a top 10 first round pick this year in such a good draft. He's worth a late 1st this year and a early 2nd rounder or a 2019 1st coming from a playoff team and a late 1st this year and that would only be to a playoff team given his 1 year UFA contract.

You can't outscore opponents, teams try that and always lose to good defense. A balance is needed up front, but you have to have at least 2 forwards in the front two lines who are good 2 way players and i would argue 4 players unless the team has a lights out defense on the 1st and 2nd lines which is only maybe 3 teams.


That’s what I mean tho a team that is lacking a scoring threat would give up a little more to acquire a player who is capable of scoring 30+ goals. Also I feel any trade with Duchene would come with an extension in place so Ottawa can get max value out of it. Don’t believe Ottawa even wants to trade him tbh. Same with a Karlsson trade which is why they won’t deal either of those players until after July 1 when they can sign extensions. Centers are highly valued and 2 first rounders( especially from a team that feels they can compete the next year) wouldn’t be a very high asking price for A very good and still young player.
 
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