Some kid who didn't watch the playoffs just suggested Washington should try to get rid of Orpik's cap hit. Lol.
Nah. They're fine. I mean, trading Orpik, with no retention, could give them cap space to sign a $6.8M UFA.... so I'm not saying he's unavailable, or even expensive, and I'll acknowledge that his age and cap hit are the reasons why he's potentially available right after the best playoffs of his life, where he tied career highs for G, A, GWG, and came pretty close to his hit and block bests from ten years ago to win his 2nd Stanley Cup. But he'll cost at least a 3rd round pick, or a 4th and a prospect, because that's where the bidding is at on here. Trading Chris Chelios at 37 years old with only one Cup ring is still regarded as one of the worst trades in Chicago's history. Orpik at 37 is not going to get the same haul of an intriguing prospect and two first round picks, but it should still involve picks and prospects going only towards Washington, because Orpik's 88 hits in these playoffs were the 15th most on record, and two of the guys ahead of him are also named Brooks Orpik, and because Orpik's second playoff game winning goal ties the career totals of noted high pressure playoff goal scorers Mike Green and Erik Karlsson. Orpik's ancient, but he's still on Washington's top penalty kill unit, and he played the last 2:22 of the season to hold onto a one goal lead when the Knights pulled Fleury for an extra skater. It is possible that Washington could get a very good UFA or $6M (probably not Bozak or JVR, but certainly someone very skilled), but it's more likely that they'd just overpay Beagle, Kempny, and Chiasson, long term, at $2M each.... in which case they might be better off with one more year of Orpik, who says he wants to play until he's as old as Jagr, although I have no idea how much he'd charge per year for an extension.
Hitting means nothing if it's not helping get the puck away from the other team. Orpik is a cap dump in any trade.
He just led the playoffs in plus minus. That means the Caps outscored Pittsburgh, Columbus, Tampa, and Las Vegas at even strength by more points with Orpik on the ice than with anybody else on the ice at evens. Do you have any more questions?
Hitting means nothing if it's not helping get the puck away from the other team. Orpik is a cap dump in any trade.
Also, the Toronto Star ran a story a couple years back on some statisticians who found that, everything else being equal, landing one more hit than the other team gives you a 1% better chance of winning a game. If anyone has run the numbers on the cumulative effect over a seven game playoff series, I have not seen them yet, but the conclusion is obvious.
He just led the playoffs in plus minus. That means the Caps outscored Pittsburgh, Columbus, Tampa, and Las Vegas at even strength by more points with Orpik on the ice than with anybody else on the ice at evens. Do you have any more questions?
+/- is a useless stat. Bergeron had a terrible +/- on the Bruins around 9 years ago. Does that mean he was a bad player back then?
Also, the Toronto Star ran a story a couple years back on some statisticians who found that, everything else being equal, landing one more hit than the other team gives you a 1% better chance of winning a game. If anyone has run the numbers on the cumulative effect over a seven game playoff series, I have not seen them yet, but the conclusion is obvious.
+/- is a useless stat. Bergeron had a terrible +/- on the Bruins around 9 years ago. Does that mean he was a bad player back then?
Maybe. Do you think he's a machine that always delivers exactly the same level of hockeying no matter what's happening in his life, how he's feeling, what his teammates and coaches are doing, or whom he's playing against?
Plus minus gets dragged as an evaluator of talent because it changes drastically from year to year. It still measures what happened.
Obviously Orpik had some advantages from playing with the Caps, but since the Caps did better with Orpik on the ice than with anybody else, at even strength, the Caps also had some advantages from playing with a positionally sound defensive expert who finishes his checks and who also is starting to really work on the offensive side of his game and improving a bit, even at an age when most hockey players his age are enjoying retirement.
Maybe. Do you think he's a machine that always delivers exactly the same level of hockeying no matter what's happening in his life, how he's feeling, what his teammates and coaches are doing, or whom he's playing against?
Plus minus gets dragged as an evaluator of talent because it changes drastically from year to year. It still measures what happened.
Obviously Orpik had some advantages from playing with the Caps, but since the Caps did better with Orpik on the ice than with anybody else, at even strength, the Caps also had some advantages from playing with a positionally sound defensive expert who is starting to really work on the offensive side of his game and improving a bit, even at an age when most hockey players his age are enjoying retirement.
Except when you compare within a team. If a team has a bunch of guys with even plus minus, and then one guy slips to minus thirty, he gets benched or traded, unless they just have no other option. That's why Leddy's -40 this year doesn't mean Leddy was the worst defenseman in the league. It means that, due to the injuries to Leddy's Islanders teammates, Leddy played the toughest shifts of any defenseman in the league. Adding a guy who is head and shoulders better than Leddy at playing defense and also is head and shoulders better than half the Isles' defensemen at showing up to the rink and playing hockey, even when may not be feeling well (https://starsandsticks.com/2018/06/15/washington-capitals-stanley-cup-worth-long-celebration/) the Islanders free Nick Leddy up to be the offensive specialist he is much better at being, stop constantly making mistakes in the defensive zone, and be a plus player, so even if Orpik goes minus ten next year with the Islanders, if he can turn Leddy around to a plus ten, he'll have helped the Islanders net forty more goals than this year, and that will get them to the playoffs.
Same with sticking Orpik on a third pair behind Hanifin in Carolina. Either team, with Orpik, could give the Caps some trouble in the postseason, because he's used to practicing against Ovechkin, and he will go out of his way to hit him, hard and often.
Except when you compare within a team. If a team has a bunch of guys with even plus minus, and then one guy slips to minus thirty, he gets benched or traded, unless they just have no other option. That's why Leddy's -40 this year doesn't mean Leddy was the worst defenseman in the league. It means that, due to the injuries to Leddy's Islanders teammates, Leddy played the toughest shifts of any defenseman in the league. Adding a guy who is head and shoulders better than Leddy at playing defense and also is head and shoulders better than half the Isles' defensemen at showing up to the rink and playing hockey, even when may not be feeling well (https://starsandsticks.com/2018/06/15/washington-capitals-stanley-cup-worth-long-celebration/) the Islanders free Nick Leddy up to be the offensive specialist he is much better at being, stop constantly making mistakes in the defensive zone, and be a plus player, so even if Orpik goes minus ten next year with the Islanders, if he can turn Leddy around to a plus ten, he'll have helped the Islanders net forty more goals than this year, and that will get them to the playoffs.
Did you have a question?
I'm done with you lol. You're stuck in the 80s mindset of hockey lol. Goodbye.
I'm done with you lol. You're stuck in the 80s mindset of hockey lol. Goodbye.
Bye, Felicia.
Look at the team that just won the Stanley Cup.
But it's interesting that you bring up the '80s in discussing the style of play of the guy named after 1980s US Oympic coach Herb Brooks. I think you might be onto something, with that.
DSP for 8 years ??. You're a funny dude, I 'll give you that. Still can't bother to read all of your novels about how good Orpik's +/- is ?. Jeesus.
Among RWs in these playoffs, DSP was first in even strength goals, and top five in goals, hits, blocks. I think those are all important stats to the Caps because those are the things they dominated other teams at. SO keeping someone who fits in well with their current team concept under Trotz is a good idea. Sure, they could nickel and dime him, and end up paying him a lot more than that over the life of the deal, now that he's self-confident and playing up to his potential. Should they?
Among RWs in these playoffs, DSP was first in even strength goals, and top five in goals, hits, blocks. I think those are all important stats to the Caps because those are the things they dominated other teams at. SO keeping someone who fits in well with their current team concept under Trotz is a good idea. Sure, they could nickel and dime him, and end up paying him a lot more than that over the life of the deal, now that he's self-confident and playing up to his potential. Should they?
Doesn't matter, if he fits under Trotz's concept, cos he's gone. Also in the NHL you never lock a guy who has scored 7 goals max per season for 8 freakin years. You can't just stare at the stats from playoffs and figure that it's gonna keep up. Wake up.