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an idea from logan ollivier

Created by: blowing_the_zone
Team: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 19, 2018
Published: Jun. 19, 2018
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threw this together after some back and forth with LoganOllivier today, where he wrote something like "hell. sign both Tanev and Myers so long as it doesn't cost two 1st. just keep our three best players." Ok. so, I did that. And added some extras. Kinda like it. Lots of cap space moving forward. We could re-sign Myers and let Tanev walk once his contract is up to open a space for Lily, or find a way to trade Z and re-sign Tanev. Ths appraoch allows for lots of felxibility, both with roster/line-up choices and the cap itself.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$925,000
2$1,250,000
6$6,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$3,250,000
Trades
1.
WPG
  1. Brooks, Adam
  2. 2018 1st round pick (TOR)
2.
TOR
  1. Tanev, Christopher
  2. 2019 3rd round pick (VAN)
  3. 2019 4th round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. Gardiner, Jake
  2. Martin, Matt
Additional Details:
Rights to Connor Carrick
3.
TOR
  1. 2019 4th round pick (EDM)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2018
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2019
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Logo of the TOR
Logo of the VAN
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the STL
Logo of the VAN
Logo of the EDM
Logo of the TOR
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2020
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Logo of the EDM
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$80,000,000$65,895,833$2,550,000$6,250,000$14,104,167

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
$1,250,000$1,250,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
C
UFA - 1
$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
$6,250,000$6,250,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 2
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW
UFA - 1
$3,250,000$3,250,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
$6,250,000$6,250,000
RW
UFA - 6
$863,333$863,333
RW
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
$925,000$925,000
C, LW, RW
RFA
$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 4
$4,450,000$4,450,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$863,333$863,333
LD/RD
UFA - 2
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
$675,000$675,000
G
UFA - 1
$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 6
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2

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Jun. 19, 2018 at 3:55 p.m.
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As a Jets fan, I'm unable to look at Hainsey in your top 6 without chuckling, but that is a huge improvement to your defense. Chevy would probably agree to that trade, but your issue would be getting a rebuilding team to trade for a rental in Gardiner. You might have to offer a conditional pick if Gardiner doesn't resign or get Gardiner's approval for an extension before the trade. Also with the Jets trade, I assume you extend Myers, because if not we'd be alright with sending a conditional 2019 2nd or 3rd pick if he doesn't resign.
Jun. 19, 2018 at 3:57 p.m.
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I have no problems with this lineup at all. Personally I wouldn't spend money on Grabner or Ryan. Both had big years and are not worth close to what they'll get but those price tags don't sink the ship thats for sure. Love that defence though. That would be so much harder to play against and would improve the penalty kill in a big way. Myers and Tanev can both play the right side of the PK, which would give Hainsey a big break.
Jun. 19, 2018 at 4:11 p.m.
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As a Jets fan, I'm unable to look at Hainsey in your top 6 without chuckling, but that is a huge improvement to your defense. Chevy would probably agree to that trade, but your issue would be getting a rebuilding team to trade for a rental in Gardiner. You might have to offer a conditional pick if Gardiner doesn't resign or get Gardiner's approval for an extension before the trade. Also with the Jets trade, I assume you extend Myers, because if not we'd be alright with sending a conditional 2019 2nd or 3rd pick if he doesn't resign.


2 things

1) Hainsey can still play a regular shift in the NHL, but he's far better on the left side of the bottom pairing.

2) The Vancouver trade works if Dubas convinces Benning that Gardiner will transform the Canucks transition game and if he doesn't want to sign in Vancouver, he can be flipped at the deadline and likely get a package close to what Shatenkirk got a couple of seasons ago. (Well less than that.)
Jun. 19, 2018 at 6:05 p.m.
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As a Jets fan, I'm unable to look at Hainsey in your top 6 without chuckling, but that is a huge improvement to your defense. Chevy would probably agree to that trade, but your issue would be getting a rebuilding team to trade for a rental in Gardiner. You might have to offer a conditional pick if Gardiner doesn't resign or get Gardiner's approval for an extension before the trade. Also with the Jets trade, I assume you extend Myers, because if not we'd be alright with sending a conditional 2019 2nd or 3rd pick if he doesn't resign.




Hey, thank Celt. I agree with Logan here, that Hainsey ain`t bad, and he provides alot of mentorship, but I think he was way overused this year. Gettign him on his propper side and on a lower pairing would help. Yeah, I think those are fair assumptions that you stated about a conditional pick - if this were to go down, I`m sure that would be part of it. And you could be right about the Gardiner to Vancouver trade - maybe a conditional is required as well, or maybe its a different package and Gards get dealt for picks like Logan did. But I think Gards > Tanev (differetn roles obviously) and throwing Martin in there (cap dump), as well as Carrick (which essentialy gives the Canucks a pairing with some decent history together) might balance things. Anyways, all trades in this game seem to be about a general framework and picks prosects might need to be added to make them work.

Out of curiousity - any word/rumours on how things are going with Stastny and the Jets? Do you think he`s sticking around?
Jun. 19, 2018 at 6:31 p.m.
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Hey, thank Celt. I agree with Logan here, that Hainsey ain`t bad, and he provides alot of mentorship, but I think he was way overused this year. Gettign him on his propper side and on a lower pairing would help. Yeah, I think those are fair assumptions that you stated about a conditional pick - if this were to go down, I`m sure that would be part of it. And you could be right about the Gardiner to Vancouver trade - maybe a conditional is required as well, or maybe its a different package and Gards get dealt for picks like Logan did. But I think Gards > Tanev (differetn roles obviously) and throwing Martin in there (cap dump), as well as Carrick (which essentialy gives the Canucks a pairing with some decent history together) might balance things. Anyways, all trades in this game seem to be about a general framework and picks prosects might need to be added to make them work.

Out of curiousity - any word/rumours on how things are going with Stastny and the Jets? Do you think he`s sticking around?


Very doubtful, not because the Jets don't want to keep him, they really do, it just adds more moving parts to a team where GMChevy likes to simplify things.

I explained their situation completely in full detail for the next two years barring blockbuster trade or free agent in a thread on my most recent team (sorry for the shameless self-promoting), but the Jets are in kind of a unique situation where without Statsny they are really one of the only SC contending teams that doesn't have a 1C playing 2C (PITT, TOR, NSH, VGK, WSH, TBL, BOS), but in terms of rates of production in P/60 and Corsi they have 3 average or untested 2C's. (Roslovic, Little, and Lowry). Out of all of these guys I'd be happiest with Jackie getting the nod at 2C. Last season in his limited games with the Jets he scored at a rate 1.9P/60, which shatters 1st line standards. I'd like to see what he can do with Laine on his wing.

As for Hainsey, don't take it personally. I would love to see a Leafs vs Jets SCF, and if the John Carlson negotiation gets messy it's not a crazy proposition. Hainsey did play easily his the two worst seasons of his career with the Jets. You won't find many Hainsey fans in Winnipeg at all.
Jun. 19, 2018 at 6:57 p.m.
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Very doubtful, not because the Jets don't want to keep him, they really do, it just adds more moving parts to a team where GMChevy likes to simplify things.

I explained their situation completely in full detail for the next two years barring blockbuster trade or free agent in a thread on my most recent team (sorry for the shameless self-promoting), but the Jets are in kind of a unique situation where without Statsny they are really one of the only teams that doesn't have a 1C playing 2C (PITT, TOR, NSH, VGK, WSH, TBL, BOS), but in terms of rates of production in P/60 and Corsi they have 3 average or untested 2C's. (Roslovic, Little, and Lowry). Out of all of these guys I'd be happiest with Jackie getting the nod at 2C. Last season in his limited games with the Jets he scored at a rate 1.9P/60, which shatters 1st line standards. I'd like to see what he can do with Laine on his wing.

As for Hainsey, don't take it personally. I would love to see a Leafs vs Jets SCF, and if the John Carlson negotiation gets messy it's not a crazy proposition. Hainsey did play easily his the two worst seasons of his career with the Jets. You won't find many Hainsey fans in Winnipeg at all.


Nothing wrong with keeping it simple, lots of wisdom in that. You seem to have a pretty informed view on the Jets moving forward. I did have a look at your last team that you posted, and it made alot of sense, on alot of levels. But I tell ya, if you guys lose both Myers and Stastny those would be adds of my choice for the leafs this year, and if we could get them, I`d call it a day at that..

I don`t take much personally on this site, just pixels on a screen mascarading as convo smile But i completely agree with you on how much fun it`d be to see the leafs and jets fight it out for the cup. I`d say the Jets are ahead of the Leafs at present, but a few key moves for either team and that could easily change the dynamic. It`ll be fun seeing how it all comes together for both squads. Bright future for both organizations
Jun. 19, 2018 at 7:29 p.m.
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Nothing wrong with keeping it simple, lots of wisdom in that. You seem to have a pretty informed view on the Jets moving forward. I did have a look at your last team that you posted, and it made alot of sense, on alot of levels. But I tell ya, if you guys lose both Myers and Stastny those would be adds of my choice for the leafs this year, and if we could get them, I`d call it a day at that..

I don`t take much personally on this site, just pixels on a screen mascarading as convo smile But i completely agree with you on how much fun it`d be to see the leafs and jets fight it out for the cup. I`d say the Jets are ahead of the Leafs at present, but a few key moves for either team and that could easily change the dynamic. It`ll be fun seeing how it all comes together for both squads. Bright future for both organizations


I can respect that. Myers was our 2RHD behind Buff last year while Trouba was still developing. I think you guys would definitely benefit from him. I have a little more trouble seeing Stats' role in the Leafs future. Unless you plan on paying him 5+mill to play 3C you guys seem pretty set with Kadri as one of the biggest bargain contracts in the NHL right now.

Right now, the biggest thing that puts the Jets ahead of you guys is our prospect pool, in your current prediction you really lean into that. Nothing wrong with getting younger but now you have to replenish, or you'll lose sustainability.

Your team currently has about 7mill in cap space once bonuses are factored in. If I were the Leafs in this scenario I would be looking for more dmen at short term, 1 year cap dumps and prospects. And my targets particularly would be one of the following:
1) One of T. Hickey or De Haan to replace Hainsey for a year while you wait for Borgmann, Rosen or someone I might be missing. Two really underrated LHD UFA's.
2) Trade for Letehra and any one or two of Philly's prospects as payment for eating that 4.7mill useless cap hit.
3) Trade for Ennis, and one Minny's prospects or picks.
4) Go ahead and sign Stats.
Both Letehra and Ennis come off the books before MM and AM need to be resigned.

As for my predictions, it's mostly just taking Chevy's plan to its logical conclusion. The guy has been operating the exact same way for the last seven years. At this point, what you see is what you get. He's going to draft well, prioritize locking up his top 6 over everything, and avoid trades or UFA's unless necessary. Media rumors only really confirm that.
Jun. 19, 2018 at 8:22 p.m.
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I can respect that. Myers was our 2RHD behind Buff last year while Trouba was still developing. I think you guys would definitely benefit from him. I have a little more trouble seeing Stats' role in the Leafs future. Unless you plan on paying him 5+mill to play 3C you guys seem pretty set with Kadri as one of the biggest bargain contracts in the NHL right now.

Right now, the biggest thing that puts the Jets ahead of you guys is our prospect pool, in your current prediction you really lean into that. Nothing wrong with getting younger but now you have to replenish, or you'll lose sustainability.

Your team currently has about 7mill in cap space once bonuses are factored in. If I were the Leafs in this scenario I would be looking for more dmen at short term, 1 year cap dumps and prospects. And my targets particularly would be one of the following:
1) One of T. Hickey or De Haan to replace Hainsey for a year while you wait for Borgmann, Rosen or someone I might be missing. Two really underrated LHD UFA's.
2) Trade for Letehra and any one or two of Philly's prospects as payment for eating that 4.7mill useless cap hit.
3) Trade for Ennis, and one Minny's prospects or picks.
4) Go ahead and sign Stats.
Both Letehra and Ennis come off the books before MM and AM need to be resigned.

As for my predictions, it's mostly just taking Chevy's plan to its logical conclusion. The guy has been operating the exact same way for the last seven years. At this point, what you see is what you get. He's going to draft well, prioritize locking up his top 6 over everything, and avoid trades or UFA's unless necessary. Media rumors only really confirm that.


Very interesting.

Re: Stastny - I think something that gets lip service, but is essential to what Shanahan is trying to do, is this notion of establishing a culture change with the leafs. For better or worse, the leafs have the biggest hockey market in the game, the most money, and the most resources, and they've produced nada forever. Shanny has talked about this publicy (in more diplomatic ways) and its why Lou was brought in, and why we see guys like Hainsey and Marleau in the line-up. Sure, they can play, but I think it goes deeper than that. if you look at the leafs, they have something unique, in that, their core rigth now is three/four guys (Mathews/Marner/Reily..then Willy) who are all under 25. Outside of Kadri (which is why I don't think he'll ever be moved, that and his career demonstrates how you grow into your potential and maturity) there are no players in their prime years once JVR, Bozak, Komorov, and soon, Gards, walk - everyone else is super green. I think this is why you hear Babs doin his Babs thing about being a gud pro so much - they want to build a character team for the long haul and you need mentorship and leadership by example for that (can you imagine being 19-25 making millions and lving this life??). I also think this is why they'll go hard after Tavares, if he's available - he provides natural succession to Mathews ... on a 7 yr contract taking Tavares to 35, Mathews turns 28 - that's about perfect! Except, its expensive! and it means, to ome, if we want to address how weak our d is, then that means Willy might go - and that's acceptable. This is where Stastny comes in - if Tavares isn't available, and Stats is, then I can see them making a play for him and having him center Johnsson and Kappanen. That's fast! And probably super productive given how well Stats played with Ehlers and Laine. Anyways, I think the best thing that's happen to the leafs in decades is Shanny. He bounced around the league as an elite palyer and saw alot (and had some controversy too) and one of the things that he saw was success in Detroit. I think Yzerman played a heavy and classy influence on him, and maybe that's the kinda guy they see in Mathews... who knwos?? But I'd put a nickle on that thinking.

Re: Chevy - I saw an interview with him once where he talked about growing up on a wheat farm and how you had to work hard, make good decirions, time your efforts and then have faith that the crop would grow... seems super wise to me.

Re: your trade targets for the leafs - that makes alot of sense, in alot of ways. I played around with a trade concept for Lehetra to get a shot at SImmonds.. cause he's a gud pro !

Thanks for the back and forth Celtic. - I've enjoyed this.
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