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Created by: The_Architect
Team: 2018-19 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 19, 2018
Published: Jun. 19, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Varlamov, Semyon ($2,900,000 retained)
  2. 2019 1st round pick (COL)
  3. 2020 1st round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Price, Carey ($3,000,000 retained)
2.
MTL
  1. Välimäki, Juuso
Additional Details:
Rights to Adam Fox
CGY
  1. 2019 1st round pick (COL)
  2. 2020 1st round pick (MTL)
  3. 2020 1st round pick (COL)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2018
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2019
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2020
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$80,000,000$56,832,141$0$1,207,500$23,167,859
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
$3,900,000$3,900,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
$4,050,000$4,050,000
LW
UFA - 1
$650,000$650,000
C
UFA - 1
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$175,000$175K)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$3,150,000$3,150,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
$1,166,667$1,166,667
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$950,000$950,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$839,166$839,166
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$650,000$650,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$4,625,000$4,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 8
$950,000$950,000
G
UFA - 1
$2,100,000$2,100,000
LD
UFA - 2
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
$3,000,000$3,000,000
G
UFA - 1
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
RD
UFA - 2
$748,333$748,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
LD/RD
UFA - 2
$725,000$725,000
LD
UFA - 1
$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
LD
RFA - 3

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Jun. 19, 2018 at 4:16 p.m.
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Nah.
Jun. 19, 2018 at 4:18 p.m.
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Quoting: BDAvs
Nah.


What's your mind set on that? Except for "nah" obviously
Jun. 19, 2018 at 4:24 p.m.
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What's the point here?
Jun. 19, 2018 at 4:30 p.m.
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What's the point here?


For which trade?
Jun. 19, 2018 at 4:36 p.m.
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I don't think CGY is interested in moving two of their top 4 defense prospects without getting a pick in this year's draft. Plenty of value in those picks coming back, but CGY is pretty close to needing to win now. Valimaki will push for a spot this summer and probably come up short. But I don't see CGY being interested in moving him until they know his value after a few more years. Could see him being groomed for captaincy in 6-8 years.

Fox is different situation though -- CGY still has two years of his rights to get a contract in place while he's at Harvard. But he's from NY state and probably would like an opportunity to play on the east coast somewhere. I still don't see Treliving being comfortable moving Fox for a 2019 or 2020 1st rounder yet.
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Jun. 19, 2018 at 4:36 p.m.
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Price is a good goalie. But first round picks are way too valuable in today's NHL. And although Price is good, he seems to be way overvalued - making double what other starting goalies will make.
Jun. 19, 2018 at 5:37 p.m.
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I'd say it's a no thanks from the Avs. I don't think you'll find any takers for it even if Price waives his NTC, and those first round picks are far too valuable, the Avs are still at best a bubble team and we could easily see them slide back this year. I'm all for trading Varly but I'd rather they (re-signed and) gave Bernier a shot at the starter's job, and traded Varly for a prospect goalie and picks. I'm not suggesting for one moment that Price isn't a good goalie but he's oft injured (same as Varly) and the contract goes on way past his prime so even with retention taking it down to 7 mil it's risky. I'd maybe consider it for one pick but definitely not two. He had a less than stellar year last year (and I know the team in front of him was crap) so that adds to the risk. Will he bounce back? Or is he already on the downward slide? You also have to take into account actual salary as well as cap hit, with it being front loaded. I reckon the Avs would be much more likely to be interested in one of the prospects stacked up behind him in the system that the Habs will eventually have to move or lose, someone like Fucale (no idea how he's been developing though).
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Jun. 19, 2018 at 6:09 p.m.
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I'd say it's a no thanks from the Avs. I don't think you'll find any takers for it even if Price waives his NTC, and those first round picks are far too valuable, the Avs are still at best a bubble team and we could easily see them slide back this year. I'm all for trading Varly but I'd rather they (re-signed and) gave Bernier a shot at the starter's job, and traded Varly for a prospect goalie and picks. I'm not suggesting for one moment that Price isn't a good goalie but he's oft injured (same as Varly) and the contract goes on way past his prime so even with retention taking it down to 7 mil it's risky. I'd maybe consider it for one pick but definitely not two. He had a less than stellar year last year (and I know the team in front of him was crap) so that adds to the risk. Will he bounce back? Or is he already on the downward slide? You also have to take into account actual salary as well as cap hit, with it being front loaded. I reckon the Avs would be much more likely to be interested in one of the prospects stacked up behind him in the system that the Habs will eventually have to move or lose, someone like Fucale (no idea how he's been developing though).


What if it was this year's 1st rnd pick?
Jun. 19, 2018 at 6:10 p.m.
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Price is a good goalie. But first round picks are way too valuable in today's NHL. And although Price is good, he seems to be way overvalued - making double what other starting goalies will make.


He won't be making double if I retain 3 mill
Jun. 19, 2018 at 7:18 p.m.
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What if it was this year's 1st rnd pick?


Would have to consider it. Like I say it's a bit risky but then so is Varly, so both teams are taking a risk. It could turn into a Roy type deal for the Avs or could be a Theodore, hard to tell. It's got to be of interest though.
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Jun. 19, 2018 at 7:21 p.m.
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.....and though I did say he'd be way past his prime by the end of the contract there are some goalies who have performed to a high standard for as long as that.
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Jun. 19, 2018 at 8:00 p.m.
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One more thought from the Habs PoV, if Varly plays well for the Habs and they re-sign him he'll want a pay rise which will push him up around the 7 mil mark himself so with the 3 mil retention the Habs will still have around 10 mil against the cap for a goalie, albeit they have the security of being able to dump Varly sooner if they have another goalie coming through (not sure on their prospects although I know they have a few of them). Is your thinking that Lindgren/McNiven/Fucale will be ready to take over when Varly's contract is up? If so then it's win-win for the Habs with a first round pick as well (assuming the pick comes through). Otherwise only a partial win and a gamble if they have to re-sign Varly for about 7 mil and the draft pick may or may not come through. Personally I'd consider going for the '19 pick rather than the '18. It all depends on whether Price helps the Avs improve or not. For me the Avs are still a bubble team at the mo' and could slide back so the '19 pick may be more valuable.
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Jun. 19, 2018 at 11:26 p.m.
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One more thought from the Habs PoV, if Varly plays well for the Habs and they re-sign him he'll want a pay rise which will push him up around the 7 mil mark himself so with the 3 mil retention the Habs will still have around 10 mil against the cap for a goalie, albeit they have the security of being able to dump Varly sooner if they have another goalie coming through (not sure on their prospects although I know they have a few of them). Is your thinking that Lindgren/McNiven/Fucale will be ready to take over when Varly's contract is up? If so then it's win-win for the Habs with a first round pick as well (assuming the pick comes through). Otherwise only a partial win and a gamble if they have to re-sign Varly for about 7 mil and the draft pick may or may not come through. Personally I'd consider going for the '19 pick rather than the '18. It all depends on whether Price helps the Avs improve or not. For me the Avs are still a bubble team at the mo' and could slide back so the '19 pick may be more valuable.


My intention is to flip Varlamov asap. Those two trades I made above were just a part of a bigger overhaul. With the 2.9 retained on Varlamov i could probably get a better return with a 3 mill price tag.

But I would probably not give up Price just for a 1st mid round pick. With Price in your lineup, the odds of the Avs finishing top 10 in the rankings for the next 4-5 yrs are very high. That's why I figure there wouldn't be great hesitancy from COL to part with them. I'd prefer 2 1st late rounders in 2019 and 2020, than 1 mid 1st rounder in 2018.
Jun. 20, 2018 at 6:05 a.m.
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My intention is to flip Varlamov asap. Those two trades I made above were just a part of a bigger overhaul. With the 2.9 retained on Varlamov i could probably get a better return with a 3 mill price tag.

But I would probably not give up Price just for a 1st mid round pick. With Price in your lineup, the odds of the Avs finishing top 10 in the rankings for the next 4-5 yrs are very high. That's why I figure there wouldn't be great hesitancy from COL to part with them. I'd prefer 2 1st late rounders in 2019 and 2020, than 1 mid 1st rounder in 2018.


Yep can understand your thinking there, I guess it would be a case of whether Price makes that difference (plus other players progressing or other signings). It's a gamble and only Joe knows what Joe would think on that one! All depends on how he feels they are likely to progress if at all. That's where my hesitancy is from the Avs PoV, I can see them sliding back just as easily as progressing. Price does add a bit more durability ( I was probably a bit unfair to him on the injury side of things, he's had a few but not many long term), the only question might be how badly the concussion has affected him. I've had two or three myself and they can knock you sideways big time as a goalie.

I'd imagine best case scenario for the Habs is one of L/M/F is ready to go as the starter and Varly could be flipped for picks or other positions of need once his contract is nearly up. Then it's a pretty good win for them. If Price is the Price we know he can be for the next 5 years or so then it would probably be a win for the Avs too, it's just the gamble that he may not be. If I were in Joe's shoes I'd certainly need to have a long hard think about it.
Jun. 20, 2018 at 6:05 a.m.
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No idea how but I've ended up with some kind of double post lol, sorry about that!
 
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